Trump’s Defenders Have Plenty of Lame Excuses

I've been frustrated with all the diversion on the Ukraine issue and there is plenty of poor behavior all around and ran across this op ed in Bloomberg by the conservative:

Ramesh Ponnuru (/rəˈmɛʃ pəˈnʊəruː/; born August 16, 1974) is an American conservative political pundit and journalist.

He is a senior editor for National Review magazine, a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute,[1] a columnist for Bloomberg View,[2] and a contributing editor to the domestic policy journal National Affairs.[3]

So this guys conservative pedigree is impeccable which may or may not matter to any one of you reading.

www.bloomberg.com...

Those of us who consume a lot of conservative media are, however, seeing even more flawed arguments in defense of Trump. Here are a few of the leading ones.

He goes on to innumerate:

The arguments he is disputing are in italics.

There was no quid pro quo in Trump’s call with Ukrainian president Volodomyr Zelenskiy.

t takes willful naiveté to read the memorandum of the call released by the White House that way – especially given that the Trump administration had held up some aid to Ukraine at the time of the call. In the conversation, Trump said that the U.S. had been good to Ukraine, noted that the relationship was not reciprocal, and then asked for “a favor” and an “other thing.”

It’s fine for the president to ask for Ukrainian help in uprooting corruption.

It’s the administration’s right to set its foreign-policy priorities, and fighting corruption has been a low one. The president’s interest here was obviously personal. Otherwise there would have been no reason to involve Giuliani, a private lawyer, who had already said that he was “meddling in an investigation” to help his client.

The “whistleblower complaint” contains a lot of hearsay.

That’s true, but the allegations are of sufficiently troubling acts as to be worth investigating.

Which was the whole idea behind hearings.

There is more in the piece

He concludes:

Removing a president for high crimes and misdemeanors is not something to be done lightly. T

here is plenty of room for debate over what counts as an impeachment-worthy offense.

It may be wiser to leave a judgment of Trump’s conduct to the next election.

But if Congress chooses to leave him in office, it shouldn’t be based on the weak arguments his defenders are currently making.

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It is now official. Trump has broken the Dems.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Here's what I think.

Trump asked for help to get to the bottom of CrowdStrike and their involvement with the DNC, the Russian scam, the "election meddling".

The dems panicked because it would implicate them.

So they pushed and fast-tracked impeachment to cover up for this and to diffuse the upcoming IG report.

But I say do it. Root for impeachment.

Fire the first ####ing shot.

Go for it.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Are you aware that the Ukranians have now come out and said they were not aware until a month after the call that the military aid had been put on hold. Not just the prime minister, several Ukranian officials.

It is impossible for the call to be a quid pro quo if they didn't even know the aid had been stopped. They would have to be told their would be consequences for not investigating Biden, but obviously they were not told that because they were not even aware the aid had been suspended.

It's over that accusation is 100% BS.

originally posted by: highvein
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It is now official. Trump has broken the Dems.

It's their last hope so they are all in on By Any Means Necessary. They are a desperate group with no ethics.

They know if they lose this fight there is no way they take the WH in 2020.

The next year is going to be quite the ride, buckle up.

a reply to: FyreByrd

So this guys conservative pedigree is impeccable which may or may not matter to any one of you reading.

I doubt it means anything to Trump cultists. Trump isn't conservative. The GOP isn't conservative anymore. Both of them are about as far from fiscally conservative as you can get.

The entire right wing is no longer conservative, in name or anything else. They are Trumpian.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: FyreByrd

Here's what I think.

Trump asked for help to get to the bottom of CrowdStrike and their involvement with the DNC, the Russian scam, the "election meddling".

The dems panicked because it would implicate them.

So they pushed and fast-tracked impeachment to cover up for this and to diffuse the upcoming IG report.

But I say do it. Root for impeachment.

Fire the first ####ing shot.

Go for it.

President Trump's attackers have no actual evidence, and use emotionally charged hearsay to justify falsified accusations. Where no crime/s have been committed. If there was evidence it would have leaked, seriously.

Where as the attacking party has committed dozens of criminal acts, many of them felonies and near exactly what they blame others of.

Also I'm not a democrat or republican, so don't play that bs of turning it on me. IDGAF one way or the other, both parties are corrupt and the swamp needs drained none the less.


From what I see both of sides, attackers of President Trump and defenders, do so because they believe the other side is wrong. Emotionally involved and over thinking all aspects because the media is directing everyone's attention to the distraction while the real slight of hand is being done out if view.

Bread and circuses dude, nothing more or less...

originally posted by: highvein
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It is now official. Trump has broken the Dems.

It's official. Republicans always put party before country and the rule of law.

originally posted by: ADVISOR
President Trump's attackers have no actual evidence

Well, I'm not sure Trump could have shoved his foot any deeper down his own throat is I think the proper assessment here. It really has nothing to do with the Democrats.

originally posted by: ADVISOR
Where as the attacking party has committed dozens of criminal acts, many of them felonies and near exactly what they blame others of.

Also I'm not a democrat or republican, so don't play that bs of turning it on me. IDGAF one way or the other, both parties are corrupt and the swamp needs drained none the less.

A lot of career politicians have been scared to be exposed ever since Trump won the nomination in 2016. He promised to drain the swamp and the swamp critters have been fighting tooth and claw ever since. He wasn't even inaugurated when they started coming after him and haven't let up yet. It hasn't been easy for Trump, that's for sure. Think about that for a moment. What kind of person does it take to put up with all the hate every single day? That's enough to prove Trump isn't in it to make the DC elite happy.

a reply to: FyreByrd

But if Congress chooses to leave him in office, it shouldn’t be based on the weak arguments his defenders are currently making.

And it won't be based on "weak arguments," but facts, like the Democrats have been trying for 3 years to remove Trump from office.

They won't get the needed votes anyway for impeachment and this will all flame out in time, but not until the American people see how desperate and conniving the Democrats really are.

To prove how stupid these Democrats are, why do they go for impeachment now? Why not wait until late summer of next year, where an impeachment proceeding would be on MSM 24/7 and disrupt Trump's election campaigning?

Trump will beat this impeachment, because it will NEVER get the needed votes. Trump will campaign next year and bring up how the Democrats are anti-America and try as they might, couldn't get him removed from office.

Trump gets elected in 2020, simply because he accomplished what he set out to do...improve our economy, bring back jobs to the US and build the wall on our border. He also has improved relations between the US and North Korea and pressured the Chinese with tariffs, that have hurt them and further strengthened the US economy. What do the Democratic candidates offer?

By many measures, tariffs have left China’s economy in its weakest spot in nearly three decades. The economy is growing at its slowest rate since 1992, and growth in industrial production is likewise the slowest it has been in 17 years. Meanwhile, China’s companies, especially in the manufacturing sector, are struggling under massive debts and are defaulting at a record rate. China’s consumers are feeling the pinch, too, as retail sales have fallen short of expectations.

This is the vulnerability to tariffs that the president predicted China would face, and it has coincided with continued strength in the U.S. economy. If Trump’s team is looking for leverage in a trade negotiation with China, it certainly can’t ask for much more.

www.usatoday.com...

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: FyreByrd

So this guys conservative pedigree is impeccable which may or may not matter to any one of you reading.

I doubt it means anything to Trump cultists. Trump isn't conservative. The GOP isn't conservative anymore. Both of them are about as far from fiscally conservative as you can get.

The entire right wing is no longer conservative, in name or anything else. They are Trumpian.

Good point. The Trump supporters are going crazy with fear at this point, clawing at the walls and foaming at the mouth. They cannot believe that the Orange Man Bad" meme is really true, and that impeachment is actually happening. He is going down hard, as 40 senators have already said they will vote for removal.

All that is left to do is some paperwork, and then Trump is behind bars.

ETA:

Grounds asserted for impeachment have included possible violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the Constitution by accepting payments from foreign dignitaries; alleged collusion with Russia during the campaign for the 2016 United States presidential election; alleged obstruction of justice with respect to investigation of the collusion claim; and accusations of "Associating the Presidency with White Nationalism, Neo-Nazism and Hatred", which formed the basis of a resolution for impeachment brought on December 6, 2017. Since the Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate during 2017 and 2018, the likelihood of impeachment during that period was considered by all to be a partisan fantasy.[8][9] A December 2017 resolution of impeachment failed in the House by a 58–364 margin.[10] The Democrats gained control of the House in 2019 and launched multiple investigations into Trump's actions and finances. Speaker Nancy Pelosi initially resisted calls for impeachment. In May 2019 she indicated that Trump's continued actions, which she characterized as obstruction of justice and refusal to honor congressional subpoenas, might make an impeachment inquiry necessary. An increasing number of House Democrats and one Republican were requesting such an inquiry.

a reply to: dfnj2015

The imbecilic ramblings of the Dems have brought all of this upon themselves.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: FyreByrd

So this guys conservative pedigree is impeccable which may or may not matter to any one of you reading.

I doubt it means anything to Trump cultists. Trump isn't conservative. The GOP isn't conservative anymore. Both of them are about as far from fiscally conservative as you can get.

The entire right wing is no longer conservative, in name or anything else. They are Trumpian.

You guys like spending money, so what're you complainin' for?



If you really cared about fiscal responsibility, you wouldn't back Dems. This post is farcical.

a reply to: HanyManny

originally posted by: HanyManny

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: FyreByrd

So this guys conservative pedigree is impeccable which may or may not matter to any one of you reading.

I doubt it means anything to Trump cultists. Trump isn't conservative. The GOP isn't conservative anymore. Both of them are about as far from fiscally conservative as you can get.

The entire right wing is no longer conservative, in name or anything else. They are Trumpian.

Good point. The Trump supporters are going crazy with fear at this point, clawing at the walls and foaming at the mouth. They cannot believe that the Orange Man Bad" meme is really true, and that impeachment is actually happening. He is going down hard, as 40 senators have already said they will vote for removal.

All that is left to do is some paperwork, and then Trump is behind bars.

ETA:

Grounds asserted for impeachment have included possible violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the Constitution by accepting payments from foreign dignitaries; alleged collusion with Russia during the campaign for the 2016 United States presidential election; alleged obstruction of justice with respect to investigation of the collusion claim; and accusations of "Associating the Presidency with White Nationalism, Neo-Nazism and Hatred", which formed the basis of a resolution for impeachment brought on December 6, 2017. Since the Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate during 2017 and 2018, the likelihood of impeachment during that period was considered by all to be a partisan fantasy.[8][9] A December 2017 resolution of impeachment failed in the House by a 58–364 margin.[10] The Democrats gained control of the House in 2019 and launched multiple investigations into Trump's actions and finances. Speaker Nancy Pelosi initially resisted calls for impeachment. In May 2019 she indicated that Trump's continued actions, which she characterized as obstruction of justice and refusal to honor congressional subpoenas, might make an impeachment inquiry necessary. An increasing number of House Democrats and one Republican were requesting such an inquiry.

Care to make a friendly wager on that?

a reply to: FyreByrd

Those are wonderful opinions. How about some fact now?

who cares? the whole damn show is a gigantic Bian lian theatre. plus ca change, plus everything stays exactly the same. the system has to be rebuilt from scratch. the personality cult has failed, and has no place in any final utopian society. politics is dead. long live politics.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: HanyManny

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: FyreByrd

So this guys conservative pedigree is impeccable which may or may not matter to any one of you reading.

I doubt it means anything to Trump cultists. Trump isn't conservative. The GOP isn't conservative anymore. Both of them are about as far from fiscally conservative as you can get.

The entire right wing is no longer conservative, in name or anything else. They are Trumpian.

Good point. The Trump supporters are going crazy with fear at this point, clawing at the walls and foaming at the mouth. They cannot believe that the Orange Man Bad" meme is really true, and that impeachment is actually happening. He is going down hard, as 40 senators have already said they will vote for removal.

All that is left to do is some paperwork, and then Trump is behind bars.

ETA:

Grounds asserted for impeachment have included possible violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the Constitution by accepting payments from foreign dignitaries; alleged collusion with Russia during the campaign for the 2016 United States presidential election; alleged obstruction of justice with respect to investigation of the collusion claim; and accusations of "Associating the Presidency with White Nationalism, Neo-Nazism and Hatred", which formed the basis of a resolution for impeachment brought on December 6, 2017. Since the Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate during 2017 and 2018, the likelihood of impeachment during that period was considered by all to be a partisan fantasy.[8][9] A December 2017 resolution of impeachment failed in the House by a 58–364 margin.[10] The Democrats gained control of the House in 2019 and launched multiple investigations into Trump's actions and finances. Speaker Nancy Pelosi initially resisted calls for impeachment. In May 2019 she indicated that Trump's continued actions, which she characterized as obstruction of justice and refusal to honor congressional subpoenas, might make an impeachment inquiry necessary. An increasing number of House Democrats and one Republican were requesting such an inquiry.

Care to make a friendly wager on that?

He must have a ton of Leftist shill money after all the hysterical threads I have seen by him.