Whistle blower allegation proves dems, media corruption in Biden Ukraine story

So the defense of Biden on this thread was two things.

1. The investigation into bidens son was ended when Biden forced the prosecutor to be fired.

2. Bidens son being investigated by that prosecutor had nothing to do with with bidens decision to want the prosecutor fired. Its was all about that prosecutor being corrupt.

I argued why both of these dfenses were terrible

But hey, people knew better because they posted msm articles.

Well now we know bidens son hunter own companies defense attorneys say these excuses were lies

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Government corruption has been defined as the abuse of public power for private gain. It seems both Trump's and Biden's activities qualify for that. Such abuse has such a long history that most people have come to think of it as an unavoidable part of politics and government.

While corruption can exist in any human organization, it seems that corruption in government is the worst. The 2013 Global Corruption Barometer, published by Transparency International, reported that people worldwide have the perception that the five most corrupt institutions are political parties, the police, public officials, the legislature, and the judiciary.

Government corruption has deep roots. Professor Susan Rose-Ackerman, an expert on the subject of anticorruption, wrote that reform would require “fundamental changes in the way government does business.” While the situation might seem to be hopeless, the Bible shows that even greater changes are not only possible but also certain to happen.

“At the end of the day, public officials are still citizens and we are all a product of society.” So stated the chief auditor of Nicaragua when explaining why he felt that government corruption was impossible to eliminate.

Would you not agree that if human society is corrupt, then any government that is a part of it will inevitably be corrupt? If that is the case, then a government free of corruption must come from outside human society. The Bible describes just such a government—God’s Kingdom, the government for which Jesus taught his followers to pray at Matthew 6:9, 10:

9 “You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth.

God’s Kingdom is a real government that rules from heaven. It will replace all human governments. (Psalm 2:8, 9; Revelation 16:14; 19:19-21) Among the benefits that the Kingdom will bring to mankind is the elimination of government corruption. Consider some features of the Kingdom that guarantee this.

RULER

THE PROBLEM: The effort to eliminate corruption “must start at the top,” observes Susan Rose-Ackerman, quoted earlier. Governments lose credibility when they try to eradicate corruption among police or customs officers while tolerating it among high officials. And even the most ethical human ruler is subject to inherent imperfection. As the Bible says, “there is no righteous man on earth who always does good.”—Ecclesiastes 7:20.

THE SOLUTION: Unlike imperfect humans, Jesus Christ, whom God has selected to be Ruler of the Kingdom, cannot be tempted into doing what is wrong. Jesus showed this by rejecting the most massive bribe ever offered—“all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.” Jesus was promised this in exchange for one act of false worship to the ruler of the world, the Devil. (Matthew 4:8-10; John 14:30) Even when Jesus was being tortured to death, he was so determined to maintain his integrity that he refused a drug that would have dulled the pain but might also have left him without full command of his senses. (Matthew 27:34) Now raised back to heavenly life by God, Jesus has proved that he is fully qualified to rule over the Kingdom.—Philippians 2:8-11.

STABILITY

THE PROBLEM: Many countries hold elections regularly, which in theory allows people to vote corrupt officials out of office. The reality, though, is that campaigns and elections are prone to corruption, even in so-called developed countries. By means of campaign contributions and other actions, the rich can unduly influence current and future officeholders.

Justice John Paul Stevens of the U.S. Supreme Court wrote that such influence threatens “not only the legitimacy and quality of Government but also the public’s faith therein.” It is little wonder, then, that many people worldwide have the perception that political parties are the most corrupt of all institutions.

THE SOLUTION: God’s Kingdom removes the possibility of campaign or electoral fraud by being a stable, permanent rulership. (Daniel 7:13, 14) Since its Ruler is chosen by God, the Kingdom is neither validated by elections nor subject to overthrow. Its stability helps to ensure that the actions it takes are always in the best long-term interests of its people.

LAWS

THE PROBLEM: At first, you might think that enacting new laws could improve matters. However, experts have found that in many cases, increasing the number of laws just provides more opportunities for corruption. Additionally, legislation specifically intended to reduce corruption often costs much to implement yet accomplishes little.

THE SOLUTION: The laws of the Kingdom of God are vastly superior to those of human governments. For example, rather than itemizing an extensive list of dos and don’ts, Jesus gave what is often called the Golden Rule. He stated: “All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them.” (Matthew 7:12) Perhaps more significantly, the laws of the Kingdom focus on both motives and actions. “You must love your neighbor as yourself,” said Jesus. (Matthew 22:39) Of course, God, who can read the heart, could actually enforce such commands.—1 Samuel 16:7.

MOTIVES

THE PROBLEM: The driving forces behind corruption are greed and self-interest. Government officials and citizens often display those negative qualities. In Seoul, South Korea, 502 people died in a department-store collapse in 1995. Investigators found that city officials had been bribed to allow contractors to use substandard concrete and to violate safety rules. In other words, government officials accepted bribes from contractors who knew that paying a bribe would be less costly than using proper building materials and construction practices.

To eliminate corruption, then, people must be taught how to overcome entrenched motives such as greed and selfishness. However, human governments lack both the will and the ability to implement this type of educational program.

THE SOLUTION: God’s Kingdom deals with corruption at its roots by teaching people how to overcome the wrong motives that cause it. * This education helps them “to be made new in [their] dominant mental attitude.” (Ephesians 4:23) They learn to replace greed and selfishness with contentment and interest in others.—Philippians 2:4; 1 Timothy 6:6. (*: For example, see the article “Is It Possible to Be Honest in a Corrupt World?”)

SUBJECTS

THE PROBLEM: Even in the best environment and with the finest education in morals, some people will choose to be dishonest and corrupt. Experts admit that this is why human governments cannot eliminate corruption. The most that can be hoped for is that the scope and destructive effects of corruption can be limited.

THE SOLUTION: The United Nations Convention Against Corruption states that to fight corruption, governments should promote “integrity, honesty and responsibility.” While this is a noble goal, God’s Kingdom does more than just promote these qualities—it requires them of its subjects. The Bible says that “greedy people” and “liars” will not qualify to inherit the Kingdom.—1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Revelation 21:8.

People can learn to adhere to these high moral standards, as the early Christians proved.

a reply to: whereislogic

It seems both Trump's and Biden's activities qualify for that.

No, it doesn't. One situation is a vice president threatening to withold funds if he doesn't fire the guy looking into his son. The other situation is a president saying lets figure out how all this corruption happened. Anyone who attempts to equate the two is either ignorant or has bad motives.

a reply to: Grambler

I'm old enough to remember when democrats wanted trump thrown in jail for just thinking about firing the prosecutor looking into him. Now they say "nothing to see here" when joe did actually fire the guy looking into him.

a reply to: Grambler

In biden's telling of the story, he betrays the motive for the prosecutors removal.

Biden says to the Ukrainian rep: fire him or I'm leaving with your $1B
Ukrainian rep says: You can't do that.
Biden says: Sure I can if you don't believe me, call obama.
Ukraine yields

So if the US and other countries were trying to get this guy fired because he's corrupt, and this is public knowledge and certainly known by the Ukrainian representative, why would he tell old joe he couldn't withhold the $1B until the guy was fired? Well obviously because it was not due to corruption and the idea that this guy should be fired (being the official position of the US) was not known. It was due to the investigation into bidens son.

The ukranian rep did not think obama wanted this guy removed. Why? Because this prosecutor had little reason to merit attention by the US president. I mean, we're talking a billion dollars here, obama wanted a prosecutor removed and was willing to use a billion dollars as leverage? This seemed crazy to the Ukrainian rep. Of course, we all know biden had a good reason to want to get rid of this guy as prosecutor.

So I guess the TL;DR is:
The Ukrainian representative questioning bidens authority to withhold the cash for the prosecutor being fired, gives away the real reason biden wanted the prosecutor removed.

a reply to: Dfairlite

So...just a coincidence that Biden is a Democrat? Could have been a Republican as well and Trump would have done the same thing? Could have been Trump's vice-president and Trump would have gone through the same trouble to expose* the corruption? *: or "figure out" as you put it. Or are they all such angels or saints that no investigation into corruption would ever be warranted?

Words to live by.

Actually when I was thinking of Trump's activities I was thinking about all his activities regarding the abuse of public power for private gain (the kind of things CNN doesn't even talk about cause their favorite public officials have a habit of doing the same thing, don't want to draw any attention to that of course, don't wanna bite the hand that feeds ye*). Not just this incident. Surely you don't want to argue that Trump hasn't been looking out for himself as soon as he got some public power? That's the very essence of his entire career in business as well. As it is for most businessmen and politicians, both Democrat and Republican (with only rare exceptions).

*: Ever heard CNN address the problem of "bankruptcy fraud" in general (not just Trump's businesses) and in detail regarding those politicians and public officials that keep the option open for those who want to scam people that way? Making the type of laws in such a way that those who have friends in the right places, or make the right payments, can continue their scams, whereas any competitor trying to use the same scam without the right connections can be prosecuted and hunted down (with a veneer of justice, as if something is actually being done about it other than just taking out the competition or preventing competition; you don't want just anyone encroaching on your business or market, they have to be willing to make the right connections first, paying the right people for their services, usually legal services)?

BankruptcyMisconduct.com (issues)

BankruptcyMisconduct's Issues section has a number of articles which describe recurring themes and systemic problems related to our flawed bankruptcy system, and the immensely profitable bankruptcy industry which it shamefully protects and supports.

... Fact is, the misconduct of the finance world, particularly as seen in our Bankruptcy Courts' playing fields, has crossed the line into illegality. And so, the pungent fungus of the dirty industry has ripened to the point of RICO Forfeiture. Average citizens may be displeased to learn how routinely and widely forfeiture is pursued against the little guys and gals, we already know how pissed they are about Wall Street and Banking escaping consequence for the financial crisis.
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Revolving Door Regulation - Government prosecutors, investigators, and regulators in various offices of the DOJ and SEC have transmogrified the once honorable duties into private practice career engines for themselves or their associates. Sadly, many government lawyers are merely "on loan" from "BigLaw" law firms. Such degenerate law firms form the private practice half of a revolving door between government's purported efforts at white collar / financial organized crime fighting on the on hand, and the private practise legal representation of clients engaged in the very same financial crimes which these government lawyers are supposed to be incarcerating on the other hand. It doesn't take a genius to see how simple financial ties between government lawyers and the lawyers who represent the financial Neo-Mafia, such as in the form of indirect or postponed employment, explains the incredible lack of prosecution against Wall Street, Banking, and Real Estate Bubble criminals. The Revolving Door thus breeds corruption as when a U.S. government lawyers operates as a Mole for a crime family or when she seeks a Quid Pro Quo via highly compensated work for herself, her spouse, or other relation.

Donald Trump Business Bankruptcies - List and Reasons
Joe Biden's greatest betrayal: ...

... The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act (BAPCPA) was passed in April, 2005 by the U.S. Senate in a 74-25 vote, including the "yea" vote of Joe Biden, and was quickly signed by President Bush.

One group of guys making the laws that allow for the loopholes to be used by the other group of guys. Democrat and Republican working side by side to continue the profitable scams for all parties involved (business, political and judiciary), while taking out the competition that doesn't want to pay the right amounts or provide sufficient 'favors', pretending they're doing something about the situation. Everybody wants a piece of the pie.

Doesn't it at least raise some eyebrows for some people to find Republican President Bush and Democrat Joe Biden on the same side of the fence regarding BAPCPA? While the bankruptcy industry has continued to flourish since 2005. New laws = new work for lawyers and judges = more profit for the judiciary component of the bankruptcy industry. Also more profits from the scam to be shared with that component for those with the right legal representation (those with the right connections for the scammer to get away with it anyway because of having a good legal team and for competing scammers to be taken out, i.e. succesfully sued or prosecuted, or prevented from entering the market; you wanna keep that control over the business, industry and market).

Former CIA director John Brennan expects to be interviewed by prosecutor John Durham in a few days.

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originally posted by: carewemust
Former CIA director John Brennan expects to be interviewed by prosecutor John Durham in a few days.

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hahahaha
hope that jackass burns

a reply to: whereislogic

LOL you think pence is corrupt? Logic indeed...

Meanwhile in other news multiple corrupt Republicans have quit their lifetime cush jobs, just cuz.

When you wake up an realize president trump is draining the swamp on both sides of the isle, let me know. Until then keep on with your long winded false equivalencies and ignorant "but it's both sides and trump too" garbage.

a reply to: Dfairlite

Preach that Republican/Trumpian gospel baby! Drain the swamp, lock her up, make America great again, send her back, USA! USA! USA! It's so catchy and witty. Not harmful to the mind in the slightest.

a reply to: whereislogic

This is what hot air looks like. You're chuck full of it.