Agency reverses course on Trump's Alabama hurricane claim

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Wardaddy454

1" of snow

Hey, hey, HEY! You're going to start a panic and get people trampled to death!

Watch that doom porn, buddy.

TheRedneck

You're right. We don't need the salt trucks scrambling in September. I'll try to refrain from that incensing rhetoric from now on.

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Extorris

The President of the USA panicked the State of Alabama with a FALSE claim that they would be struck by Hurricane Dorian.

Incorrect. Alabama was not panicked. We were already watching the weather.

Unlike some, Alabamians for the most part actually look outside instead of keeping their noses glued to CNN. Good thing too, because at one point Don Lemon's guest stated that an Alabama hit was possible.

TheRedneck

Alabama ranks first in the country for approving of the Orange Moron:
morningconsult.com...

And Alabama ranks 50th (out of 50 states BTW) in education.
www.usnews.com...

I won't speculate of correlation, but given those statistics I am pretty sure when the President tweets that they are going to get hit hard by hurricane Dorian a good number of Alabamans believed him.

Up until recently, Alabama was part of the "Solid South", also known as Dem gerrymandering.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Yep, changed in 1980 with Reagan. Before that, it was common knowledge that Jesus voted Democrat.

...and we're still recovering...

TheRedneck

Can we all just agree that he shouldn't have busted out a sharpie to make himself look better? Nobody cares that he tweeted inaccurate information. He may have had information that was a few days old. Have you ever seen the man admit that he was wrong? He's wrong a lot. A little self humility and integrity goes a long way.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Wilbur Ross threatened to fire employees of NOAA if they didn't corroborate Trump's incorrect statement.

But don't worry, keep your head buried in the sand, there's nothing to see here.

It's been a couple of years, and my memory isn't what it used to be. But didnt he have a few early photos of him being president doctored to make his hands look bigger?

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Wilbur Ross threatened to fire employees of NOAA if they didn't corroborate Trump's incorrect statement.

But don't worry, keep your head buried in the sand, there's nothing to see here.

It's just such a mystery! I can't imagine what got into Wilbur Ross that would, out of the blue, make him order NOAA to back up the president on Alabama getting hit much more than expected, and throw their own scientists under the bus!

after reading more than a few pages of outright anti trump drivel people miss what trump (be misinformed or mistake ) did by including alabama in the POSSIBLE path of the hurricane.

it got FEMA and other FEDERAL AID ready to act.

Look people, despite what you thing of your favorite president or politician you cant just scramble full federal aid at the drop of a hat or one phone call.

they have procedures to follow to get that aid ready or at the very least on standby.
that takes time and coordination.

by doing that IF the storm had (using the critics own statements for purposes of discussion) had fallen under the 5 percent chance the aid would be ready to get there IN FORCE in a timely manor.

You know that thing you blasted (some of it justified, some of it not) bush for.

If (and that by all given reports is a BIG IF) he had not paid attention to updates of storm track it was because he was trying to not repeat the mistakes of the past (even with obama btw) and have aid ready as best as his authority could muster.

if he had not made an issue of it and it had (remember storms are highly unpredictable no matter what you claim) gone to Alabama or even fallen (as most do) within the storms area of effect you all be screaming "he didn't get federal aid there like bush".

Lastly
you all anti trumpers have shot everything you could from claims of sexual misconduct (to assault), anti legal immigrant , stormy daniels, russian collusion and even obstruction of justice and it all FAILED WITH FACTS.....

now your grasping at straws with a WEATHER MISTAKE.....hell you even cant accept that maybe he did get wrong information
but think this not "apologizing" is just as bad and removal from office material is just showing desperation and delusion.

given that alone how can you expect to be taken seriously in any way?

scrounger

PS... did you all say the same about obama not apologizing when it was a "mistake" when he said "if you like your doctor you can keep him"?
hmmmmm

a reply to: scrounger

No, he almost caused a panic in Alabama. It's the same reason why freedom of speech doesn't cover yelling fire in a movie theater.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: scrounger

No, he almost caused a panic in Alabama. It's the same reason why freedom of speech doesn't cover yelling fire in a movie theater.

I was waiting for someone to use "caused a panic in alabama" excuse and you stepped up to the plate
in a timely fashion, well done.

Now on to FACTS.

1. the storm WAS INITIALLY PREDICTED to be on a path to alabama along with other areas that it did not hit like Puerto Rico. So if your gonna claim "panic" then you better also be willing to blast NOAA and the US Weather service.
hmm cant see to find that

2. storms predictions are notoriously wrong in longer term and even shorter term (like when they will leave or strenght at any predicted time) . How many times have strengths suddenly increased, decreased, areas effected , and courses have changed ? hmmmm



3. Up to (depending on with report, retraction, addition ect out there ) almost or including sept 2 it was still warning to alabama .

4. unless you (and others here to be fair) know all the people (or even a majority) thoughts on the storm in alabama or imply they are easily panicked people your just spewing propaganda (at best) or very narcissistic in your OPINION (at worst) .

5/ what FACTS THAT CAN BE FOLLOWED UP ON do you have for the claim of "causing panic"?
because outside of pundits, reporters, and people here i cant find VERIFIABLE FACTS to this claim.

lastly

as you seemed to completely ignore in your quick jab comment is that IF the reports of it hitting alabama (even at the 5 percent level) that it takes TIME to have federal aid agencies get ready .

by doing this trump had them ready and not needed instead of (if it did hit) needed but not ready.
you know that thing your side blasted (some of it quite justified) bush for

scrounger

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Wilbur Ross threatened to fire employees of NOAA if they didn't corroborate Trump's incorrect statement.

But don't worry, keep your head buried in the sand, there's nothing to see here.

im sorry but what FACTS and/or sources that can be CONFIRMED to back this up?

oh thats right

you dont need FACTS when you have "truth"

smh

scrounger

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

No, he almost caused a panic in Alabama. It's the same reason why freedom of speech doesn't cover yelling fire in a movie theater.

I want to see evidence of this panic. This is the second time someone has tried to push that nonsense. I live here and I didn't see any panic... I saw people watching the weather closely, like we always do, I saw people talking about "Wonder where Dorian is gonna go," but I saw no one "panicking."

So show me a panic or stop with the lies.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

they dont need facts when they have "the truth" .

to bad truth is doublespeak for a lie

maybe they did read 1984 as a guide

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger

I find it amazing... I think everyone on ATS knows I live in Alabama, but some people will put out false rumors with me sitting right here, participating in the thread. It's like they don't even care how transparent their lies become.

There was no panic in Alabama. Dorian never got close enough to be more than a slight concern. Hell, there wasn't a real panic over Katrina or even Ivan... evacuations, yeah, frantic rescues, sure, but no widespread panic.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: scrounger

No, he almost caused a panic in Alabama. It's the same reason why freedom of speech doesn't cover yelling fire in a movie theater.

He 'almost caused a panic'?
Is that like he 'almost committed a cirme'? OR, 'he almost lost the election in 2016' and 'almost wasn't the president'?

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Justoneman

I tracked Dorian on a thread here. Never did I use CNN as a source.

Just the National Hurricane Center, Tropical Tidbits, Spagettitmodels.com and the Storm2k forums.

CNN is the one we have quotes from that PROVE 100% the media LIED TO the US again about something the POTUS did to try and make him look stupid.

originally posted by: Erno86
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx BREAKING!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"Commerce Chief Threatened Firings At NOAA After Trump Hurricane Tweets, Sources Say."

Source: MSN News

Ha ha, make me laugh!

Liars are more and more obvious when you seek the truth. If not you will never know what is real and what is not.

a reply to: scrounger
www.bbc.com...

US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross had threatened to fire senior staff at the federal weather agency unless they backed President Donald Trump's claim that Hurricane Dorian might hit Alabama, the New York Times reports.

a reply to: TheRedneck

The NHC did a great job with Dorian. Appropriate watches and warnings were issued and Florida missed hurricane conditions by literally a few miles. Their 72 hour forecast were pretty darn good.

Alabama was never part of the cone of uncertainty. Here is what it looked like at 5am on September 1st:



This was about 9 hours before he declared Alabama was part of the danger zone. I do not know how one can justify Trump's tweet on September 1 given the information available.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: scrounger

No, he almost caused a panic in Alabama. It's the same reason why freedom of speech doesn't cover yelling fire in a movie theater.

And, why it's illegal to put out a false weather report.