Psychic Detectives are real vs. celebrity psychics who are cold readers

Psychics are real and psychic ability isn't paranormal or supernatural. It's a natural ability and some people learn to do something similar to remote viewing.

The problem here is frauds, celebrity psychics and pseudoskeptics. I will go over each one.

Frauds are people who are just trying to milk people out of money. They're criminals who are preying on people who are grieving.

Cold Readers are in the same category as frauds when they act like they're psychic. When you're doing cold readings as a Mentalist or Magician, it's perfectly fine.

Pseudoskeptics act like if psychics aren't 100% accurate then they're all 100% false. This is just a way to stay ignorant. So even if there's cases that can't be explained where you have Police Veterans vouching for the Psychic, you can just bury your head in the sand and say since some Psychics are fake and frauds then all Psychics are fakes and frauds. It's just blind ignorance.

You have Psychics, who are not household names, who help Police solve cases and you have Veteran Detectives vouching for the Psychic and saying they gave me accurate information that was pertinent to the case. Now, in order to accept the premise of the pseudoskeptic, you would have to believe these skeptical Police Officers are just idiots.

You have Psychics that have sketches drawn of criminals before the Police have a suspect and the sketch helps lead to the criminal. They tell them their names, where they live, where a body can be found and what street the criminal lives on.

These Psychics don't do cold reading. Many of them just want items from the victim so they can pick up on their energy.

These Psychics could be filthy rich if they became celebrity Psychics like John Edwards, Van Praagh, Sylvia Browne, Long Island Medium and more. Instead, these Psychics help Police and many of them don't take money when looking for missing children. I just watched an episode where the spouse of the victim said she would have paid the Psychic anything she wanted but the Psychic didn't want any money. She told the Police her Fiance was dead when they thought he was still alive and they thought he was hiding because of his checkered past. She told him he was murdered and helped lead the Police to the criminal.

Here's a few episodes. Again, listen to the Police that worked the crime, not the pseudoskeptic that had nothing to do with the investigation.

1. PSYCHIC INVESTIGATORS - 1X20 - ANDRE DAIGLE

Key Point:

Psychic Rosemarie Kerr told the family to go to Slidell now. They went to Slidell and there was there missing Brother's truck. They chsed the truck and found Police to help them and they caught the guys in the truck. The Psychic then helped the Police solve the crime. The Psychic was so good she had to testify in court.

A murder trial in this suburban New Orleans town took a strange twist last week when a California psychic testified that she helped crack a Louisiana homicide case last June from her home 2,000 miles away.

The trial ended Friday when the defendant, Michael Phillips, 22, of Kenner, pleaded guilty to first-degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison. But the highlight of testimony came Thursday, when Rosemarie Kerr took the stand to tell how she helped solve the murder of Andre Daigle of River Ridge.

www.latimes.com...



2. Psychic Investigators Amie Hoffman

Key Point:

Psychic Nancy Webber told Police how the victim died and she told them the killer's name plus more. Two Veteran Detectives that worked with Nancy vouch for her accuracy. Are these Police Detectives just idiots that don't know the facts of their case?



3. PSYCHIC INVESTIGATORS - 1X16 - STACY ANDERSON

Key point:

Psychic Gale St. John is 2000 miles away helps with the case. At first, she's dealing with a skeptical Detective. After she tells them she's dead and not missing she accurately describes where she's buried. The skeptical Detective changes his tune and calls the Psychic for more information. The Psychic tells him the murderer will kill again and he's going to kill the girls best friend. She says the best friend knows who the killer is. The Detective brought in the best friend and told her they were working with someone whose gifted and she said she would be murdered next. The friend said you need to look at John. The Psychics information saved a life and led to the capture of the murderer. She also told the Detective that the suspect would attack him in during the interrogation and he did.



I can go on for 100 pages with examples. Psychic ability is real and it isn't supernatural. It will not be 100% correct. It's subject to uncertainty just like everything in the universe.

This is clear evidence that Psychic Ability is real. This doesn't mean it's evidence as to the exact nature of Psychic Ability just like we don't know the nature of consciousness or awareness, but we know it exists.

I agree that psi abilities exist. It is quantum physical and can easily be explained thru entanglement. People who hunt material wealth are not the people you seek if you want to find beings with high ability.

Also if you can manipulate energy flow in your body you can make a bad medium give a 100% synchronistic message that they do not even know the real meaning of. Flow energy at the same time you say the intent.

But to be sure it is an objective reading of what really is any measurement/reading should be tested to make sure it is a 100% synchronistic message.

I can't recall the exact usage, but the term "blue" comes to mind regarding the use of psychics to assist in police investigations.

It strikes me as ironic that, for as much as 'authority' pretends to scorn the paranormal, the authorities have no qualms employing paranormal assets in cases in which they believe it could help them. A case of, watch what they do, not what they say.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

They do not want people who are to aware of what is really going on and have abilities they cannot control.

You cannot manipulate/fool beings who can sense deceit. If majority of humans had a high spider sense ability humanity would have evolved very differently.

Remote Viewing is one of the best documented examples of psi powers. Any body that has seriously looked at the documentation for Remote Viewing knows full well that the CIA and the US Army were serious about the skill and were not merely wasting taxpayer money for over 20 years. Some of the viewers were so good they could read file labels in obscure cabinets. One of the best was a retired police officer, Pat Price that worked with Russel Targ and the well-known Harold Puttoff, the scientists that formalized RVing for the CIA. Price on his way to doing experiments, stopped by Las Vegas to gamble a bit and mysteriously died of a mysterious disorder. It was assumed by some to have been a Russian payback hit. reply to: neoholographic

Great thread! Psychic ability does exist. Some people have amazing abilities and others have more subtle abilities, but it does indeed exist.

To the criminal, apprehended in the midst
of their criminal high, their euphoric getaway.

It's like DNA tests on evidence, it strikes
the criminal out of the blue in sweet justice.

Esp and other psychic abilities definitely exist
in people, and academia has been trying to
understand, and they do understand some of
psychic abilities very well.

There has been no test that has shown repeatable demonstrative 'proof' that phycic abilities exist, as far as I know.

Once this has been done, I might be inclined to believe.

a reply to: neoholographic

I Prefer Psychedelic Detectives , they get More Creative with Searching Out Perp's ..............

a reply to: neoholographic

Do you know any celebrity psychics?

I know a few you mentioned personally and they are real psychics.
However, fame goes to peoples heads sometimes, and it kind of corrupts the mission with celebrity psychics.
Pretty soon they are unavailable to the common man who they originally were interested in helping.

(fame really makes it hard to stay with us little people,the demand is so high that like a rock star, they can't even go out in public to eat uninterrupted)

Even the people they have working for them will demand psychic information at some time. Believe it or not, it is hard on them, if they are real. I know a little of the inner working around a celeb psychic, and I feel sorry for this person. Not only because of the problems fame and ability brings, but because it causes moral issues on a continuous basis.

Do you enjoy life best you can? (that means taking the fame/money and all of the troubles with it)
Or do you stay unknown and avoid the trouble of the grand lifestyle you could of had?

Once you become a celebrity psychic you are dancing with Hollywood and Hollywood embellishes everything.
(Unless you co-produce your stuff as to lesson the damage)

The one I know tries very hard to keep balance, to get a message out, but I only know of one who does that.
And even they charge an outrageous amount to talk to. Perhaps to keep most people from asking....
Not all are frauds.

Just my own thoughts on the celeb psychic part.


As to psychic investigators, more power to them. To touch someones trauma on a psychic level is way beyond anything any sane person would put themselves through willingly.

Look up Chuck Bergman.
He is a psychic cop and has a really interesting story.

If you've ever ate the wrong mushroom or tasted a piece of paper with funky chemicals, you know this stuff is real.

Our brains are capable of so much, but for some reason are "throttled" in a way. My guess is that people who have abilities us average Joe's dont, must have small parts unlocked organically.

The TV Series "The Medium" has been a good one with a lot of stories about the psychic boundaries with the law. As with all investigations everything gets questioned, introducing sources from an unknown origin can have its problems. In the hunt for a killer it is a good one for the tool box, can't argue with results.

Good to see the courts taking these issues on.

originally posted by: neoholographic
Pseudoskeptics act like if psychics aren't 100% accurate then they're all 100% false.

That's not true and if you did any research at all on this topic you would know it.

The problems are well known such as lack of repeatability, statistical significance problems, file drawer problems, etc.

In one study Dean Radin said if there was no psychic ability, selecting the one choice out of four that matched by random chance was 25%, but the "psychic" got 34% correct. He says the 9% doesn't sound like much. He's right, it doesn't sound like much. Despite people wanting to believe you could never get 34% correct by random chance when the expected value is 25%, it can happen, especially if there are file drawer problems or other forms of bias. The psychic doesn't have to be 100% accurate, but getting at least half right would be a lot more convincing than only 34%, which is really not very good at all, that means about 2/3 were wrong.

If the psychic got 2/3 right or 67%, that's nowhere near 100% accurate but if that could be repeated that would be enough to convince many skeptics. But getting 2/3 wrong is not enough to convince them, and it's really not a very good result despite Dean Radin claiming otherwise.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: neoholographic
Pseudoskeptics act like if psychics aren't 100% accurate then they're all 100% false.

That's not true and if you did any research at all on this topic you would know it.

The problems are well known such as lack of repeatability, statistical significance problems, file drawer problems, etc.

In one study Dean Radin said if there was no psychic ability, selecting the one choice out of four that matched by random chance was 25%, but the "psychic" got 34% correct. He says the 9% doesn't sound like much. He's right, it doesn't sound like much. Despite people wanting to believe you could never get 34% correct by random chance when the expected value is 25%, it can happen, especially if there are file drawer problems or other forms of bias. The psychic doesn't have to be 100% accurate, but getting at least half right would be a lot more convincing than only 34%, which is really not very good at all, that means about 2/3 were wrong.

If the psychic got 2/3 right or 67%, that's nowhere near 100% accurate but if that could be repeated that would be enough to convince many skeptics. But getting 2/3 wrong is not enough to convince them, and it's really not a very good result despite Dean Radin claiming otherwise.

This is just utter nonsense.

Do you just go from forum to forum spouting your illogical pseudoskepticism?

Dean Radin is right. It doesn't have to sound like much as long as it's greater than chance. There's no reason that Psychics or Mediums should test greater than chance in any instance if there's nothing to it.

The fact that Aspirin helps prevent a second heart attack was due to a much smaller effect size than we see in Psi experiment.

The small effect size is still enough to allow Aspirin commercials to talk about prevention of heart attacks and for Doctors to put patients on Aspirin for heart attack prevention and blood thinning.

The effect size in Psi experiments are 6 times larger than the effect size for Aspirin.

If pseudoskeptics are correct, there shouldn't be any effect size greater than chance.

Also, all Psychics aren't the same. This is why Police work more with certain Psychics. It's not one size fits all. Here's 3 more cases.



This one involves a Psychic that tells the Police what the suspect looks like, what street he lives on and what evidence the Detective would find when they found the criminal.



Here's one where the Psychic was so accurate, she was arrested and she sued them and won.



Here's a video that shows how Psychics helped in the investigation of John Wayne Gacy the serial killer. Here's one of the Detectives telling you he got accurate information from a Psychic.

Should I believe the illogical pseudoskeptic that knows nothing about the case or the Detectives that worked these cases and know the facts of the cases they're investigating?

originally posted by: kwakakev
The TV Series "The Medium" has been a good one with a lot of stories about the psychic boundaries with the law. As with all investigations everything gets questioned, introducing sources from an unknown origin can have its problems. In the hunt for a killer it is a good one for the tool box, can't argue with results.

Good to see the courts taking these issues on.

Exactly, and I recently saw some episodes and it looks good.