Prince Andrew Defends Jeffrey Epstein Relationship Makes Statement

a reply to: FieldMarshalMatt

This sounds very similar.. It reminds me of when Bill Clinton said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

For whatever reason, by Prince Andrew even saying anything, he seems 10000% more guilty!

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: Edumakated
I caution people about assuming guilt by association. It is dangerous.

To be clear before any mental midget tries to retort I am defending Epstein, I am not.

I am just saying take a step back and think about how well you may know you "friends." We often use the term loosely. I have some friends that I've known a long time and may see a couple of times a year or fewer. We may grab dinner or socialize. However, the reality is that I don't KNOW them and what they may do in all facets of their life.

Wealthy people who have second and vacation homes often have guests they may socialize with personally and professionally. However, it still does not necessarily mean they know all the personal details and proclivities about a person even if they stay at their home.

With all that said, you have to question the judgment of people who continue to socialize with convicted pedos. At the same time, money and power can tend to cloud people's judgment.

Another example of this is all the celebs and people who continued to socialize and work with R Kelly for YEARS even after it was known he likes 'em young. Does say Jay Z making a record with R Kelly make him also a pedo? Or any of the other dozens of other artists?

Do you go and stay at their residences and are there young girls around if you do. Also when there are many guests socialising it is very difficult for peoples likes. dislikes, tastes, habits, things they say and how they comment, the way they look etc to be kept a secret and avoid whispers. So to suggest that Andrew knew nothing is ridiculous and particularly more so after Eppys previous.

You assume (beyond the claims of the victims) that there were young girls around at the time of his visits. None of us know.

Again, socializing with someone several times DOES NOT mean you are aware of and know all their fetishes and proclivities. I am good friends with some of my neighbors. Been to dinner with them multiple times. Kids play together. However, I don't know what kind of a freaky 'ish they do behind closed doors. They could have bodies in the basement for all I know. From the interactions I have with them, they appear like any normal professional couple. However, the reality is there is no way to know what any person does behind closed doors.

Again, there are people I've known for 20+ years. Attended weddings. I'd have no problem visiting or having them over to my house. However, I don't KNOW them. I have no idea what they do when I ain't around.

If one of them did something heinous and I was politician, it would be easy to find a photo of me smiling at some random party with them. It could be easily spun, Edumakated visited them 10 times!

Just saying that because you may have interacted with someone does not make you an accessory to their crimes.

I like a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but just saying we have to be careful about guilt by association in these types of cases. Epstein touched a lot of people, but it doesn't mean all of them had any knowledge of anything nefarious Epstein did or was involved in.

a reply to: JAGStorm

He's saying this because he knows he's been caught up with because of Sjoberg's testimony against him , which was unsealed this month .

Sjoberg confirms Giuffre's testimony against him in multiple ways , she was younger than Giuffre , was also forced to have sex with Andrew , and the two , Giuffre and Sjoberg were not known to each other at the time . Or at the time when they putin separate complaints .

So obviously with all that corroberating evidence he 's in much deeper trouble . Giuffre and Sjoberg won the case against Maxwell too. Quite possibly the two victims together are able to take him down .

Links to the court documents can be found on this site .

Just to make things expressly clear , and moving away from arguments about guilt by association ,

further evidence aboutEpstein renting another underaged girl to Prince Andrew was released in unsealed court documents this month .

originally posted by: FieldMarshalMatt
a reply to: JAGStorm

He's saying this because he knows he's been caught up with because of Sjoberg's testimony against him , which was unsealed this month .

Sjoberg confirms Giuffre's testimony against him in multiple ways , she was younger than Giuffre , was also forced to have sex with Andrew , and the two , Giuffre and Sjoberg were not known to each other at the time . Or at the time when they putin separate complaints .

So obviously with all that corroberating evidence he 's in much deeper trouble . Giuffre and Sjoberg won the case against Maxwell too. Quite possibly the two victims together are able to take him down .

Links to the court documents can be found on this site .

I don't doubt some of these people knew what was going on and partook in the festivities. I guess the only thing that would support innocence is if it were reasonable they'd know the girls were underage? Maybe this is where the blackmail comes in...

So you like to party and are presented with someone to sleep with... they are dolled up and look of age. You then find out they are say 16. Now what? Epstein has got you....

And before anyone says you'd know if someone was underage... go look up Traci Lords. She fooled the entire porn industry.

a reply to: Edumakated

I would almost believe that... I saw the photo of price Andrew and that child.

There is no way on earth I would ever think she was of age. If anything I thought she actually looked younger than
her age of 17! (im sure that was on purpose) those sick freaks!

a reply to: Edumakated

I am not sure if Traci fooled the industry or was selected and used by the industry, I cant see a naive youngster willing/wanting to do that, as opposed to someone within the unregulated early 80's porn industry wanting to exploit her and make money, occams razor and all that.

Will the plot thicken.......



French prosecutors could summon Prince Andrew to Paris to help with probe into Jeffrey Epstein rape claims


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I understand what Prince Andrew is saying when he says he didn't see anything dodgy going on when he was there. That's what he he has to say. It was always expected.

The pictures, testomony and video's do not lie. He was there and knew about it. Whether he was involved in anything we don't know. He was certainly there.

The problem is that the Royal family are portrayed to be this amazing clean family that does no wrong. In their eyes. The media will always portray them this way no matter what. You can wipe pictures and videos from the media and get court cases against them destroyed, but the people never forget.

There is only so long they can be protected from doing what they like.

Ofcourse that prince abused kids too.
Tell me, why are you visiting the residencies of someone on the other end of the ocean running a gigantic pedophilic-network so much? Why? Ask yourself.

Same goes for Billy Clinton. He has visited them so much it cant be just for a cup of coffee and some small talk. Not to mention Pig Epstein taking children with him when he visited all those high-power people. For what reason could that have been you think?

Its sickening. And nobody sees it or cares about it. Nobody notices how big and all-engrossing this case is. And we let those people rule over us.

Doesn't matter if he's innocent or guilty, as far as i'm aware the British Royal Family are immune to prosecution. This is just about protecting their image.

He could literally be caught on camera with a 13 year old and put out a statement saying it was true and still get away with it.

Not only that the mindless drones would still turn up waving their little flags every time this criminal empire have a birthday, wedding, anniversary etc.

originally posted by: Rick26
Ofcourse that prince abused kids too.
Tell me, why are you visiting the residencies of someone on the other end of the ocean running a gigantic pedophilic-network so much? Why? Ask yourself.

Same goes for Billy Clinton. He has visited them so much it cant be just for a cup of coffee and some small talk. Not to mention Pig Epstein taking children with him when he visited all those high-power people. For what reason could that have been you think?

Its sickening. And nobody sees it or cares about it. Nobody notices how big and all-engrossing this case is. And we let those people rule over us.

You are exactly right. Ever heard that saying, You can tell a lot about a person by their friends.

Looks like you sure can!

a reply to: FieldMarshalMatt
Aye

why is a prince friends with a convicted felon?

just like the royals were friends with "jimmy saville "

and they didnt know he was up to no good

they must truly believe we were born yesterday

originally posted by: Grenade
Doesn't matter if he's innocent or guilty, as far as i'm aware the British Royal Family are immune to prosecution. This is just about protecting their image.

He could literally be caught on camera with a 13 year old and put out a statement saying it was true and still get away with it.

Not only that the mindless drones would still turn up waving their little flags every time this criminal empire have a birthday, wedding, anniversary etc.

they maybe immune to prosecution but they sure as #e arent immune to guillotines or claymores
or burning at the stake

One royal family member found to be friends with a known convicted child trafficking abuser , maybe leads you to question their involvement and why they were there or even friends in the first place

but when more than one member is friends with convicted beasts like Jimmy saville

then what does that tell you !

They all know whats going on , the queen knows , as do the rest , as to their level of involvement who knows , Diana was killed trying to expose it and now the details of this sordid affair are coming into the public eye .

the fact we still support these scum bags is a pox on the face of society

, the UK makes more money from Whiskey sales and tourism than the queen and royal family do , get the leeches to # , throw them all in jail , or cut of their heads and end the Monarchy once and for all !

a reply to: Edumakated

However, the reality is there is no way to know what any person does behind closed doors.

But if a person had pleaded guilty and were convicted of soliciting a prostitute and of procuring an underage girl for prostitution and had served almost 13 months in custody and were found to have abused numerous girls some as young as 14 that might just give you a massive clue as to what they might be up to behind closed doors.

the royals and politicians are really good at turning a blind eye to wrong doing !

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a reply to: JPtruther

Your'e not a Royalist, are you?