Active shooter at Walmart in El Paso, TX

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy

Show me where, in the Constitution, where it is the governments job to regulate weaponry.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

"A well regulated militia" It's a phrase from the 2nd Amendment. Who do you think should do the "regulating"?

STOP! Just stop (I am trying to help you from looking any dumber).
Take it easy on him guys, he is probably a youngster.
This does not mean what you think it means Sookiechacha.

a reply to: Jansy

Sadly we do not have Mr. Franklin's wisdom with us today. This is very worrisome. How do we know what the Founders meant? It is not so much I am losing faith in our system, I am not. I am losing faith in society to manage itself.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Regulate has more definitions than government rule. For example, your personal digestion can be well regulated, too, but that doesn't mean the government is giving you daily anal probes to make sure you ate all your fiber in the recommended forms and amounts. It simply means that you do what it takes to make sure your colon operates smoothly and regularly.

It's much more likely given the generally more verbose standard of the time, that this is the intent of the word -- that the militia that forms operates well because it's members have their own personal firearms that they keep and are personally familiar with using and thus can handle and fire competently when the need arises.

a reply to: Identified

No one would write that because its fake. zero friends. Someone literally just created that, its its in fact a real linkedin page.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You don't understand- clauses are hard!

originally posted by: ServiusTull
a reply to: Jansy

Sadly we do not have Mr. Franklin's wisdom with us today. This is very worrisome. How do we know what the Founders meant? It is not so much I am losing faith in our system, I am not. I am losing faith in society to manage itself.

This is the intent of the government all along for some time now.

Break down the bonds of family, community, and faith that kept us, as a people, strong and self-reliant and able to govern ourselves.

A people who cannot govern themselves must be governed, and thus, the opportunity for power that never ends from those at the top.

The American experiment was unique in how it subverted the historical order which used to be God -> King -> people. The American system changed that to God -> People -> Government. Break the will and ability of the people to govern themselves and govern the government, and you can reset the old order again.

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: DBCowboy

You don't understand- clauses are hard!

So is maths.

originally posted by: ServiusTull
a reply to: Jansy

Sadly we do not have Mr. Franklin's wisdom with us today. This is very worrisome. How do we know what the Founders meant? It is not so much I am losing faith in our system, I am not. I am losing faith in society to manage itself.

If you want to know what they meant, you can read the Federalist Papers as well.

a reply to: DBCowboy

LOL Are you saying that "A well regulated militia" is a dangling modifier? Did the founders not understand grammar?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

if you get the required permits yes you can own machine guns,tanks with live guns,grenade launchers/ grenades,short barreled rifles/shotguns . flame throwers are not regulated on the federal level but some states restrict them. honestly have no idea on landmines as id assume that would be a no go based on anti booby-trap laws . you cant mount guns in aircraft (though you can hunt from helicopters in a few states) and to the best of my knowledge baring old school cannons you can not arm boats with fixed weapons (ie no torpedoes or 5 inch deck guns or surface to surface missiles of any kind) but you can own RPG's and id guess you may be able to get away with buying an old naval gun and putting it in your yard but you cant mount it on a ship least in US territorial waters . i THINK the sea Sheppard was rumored to have some kind of ghetto rigged torpedoes they used on whalers in japanese waters but that may have just been an internet myth

a reply to: ketsuko

It's much more likely given the generally more verbose standard of the time, that this is the intent of the word -- that the militia that forms operates well because it's members have their own personal firearms that they keep and are personally familiar with using and thus can handle and fire competently when the need arises.

Which is NOT what happened today in El Paso.

a reply to: ServiusTull

I'll tell you what the Founders meant...they drafted a Constitution that LIMITED THE FREAKING POWERS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

And slowly, over time, the federal government has amassed a RIDICULOUS amount of control over the citizenry. And we've got a frighteningly large group of individuals in a feeding frenzy over a presidential nomination that want to continue that direction, until every single piece of our lives are controlled, "regulated" and determined.

🤦‍♂️ everytime a shooting occurs, the Internet goes into the gun vs mental illness hardline debate.

The bottomline is bad things happen, it’s a fact. He wanted to kill people, maybe him being lazy and just using a gun kept him from learning how to make a bomb to blow the whole wal mart up.. HE WAS SICK. We have seen these sick people for years now. People really need to stop blaming the gun...

Scanner is just now talking about "Gang investigators" arriving on scene, which they seem to reference, is the Walmart shooting.

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

if you get the required permits

Equals regulation.

a reply to: face23785

yeah all depends on shooters skill, there was that one attempted mass shooter from texas a few weeks ago that got roasted online for pretty much being a failure as he appeared to have NO idea what he was doing , some times we get lucky and some one tries to use a drum mag or other random high capacity one and it makes the attack a failure due to the non standard ones being vastly more unreliable. its why most tommy guns used in ww2 used stick mags not the unreliable drum mags despite 50 being a larger number then the 20 round sticks

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy

Show me where, in the Constitution, where it is the governments job to regulate weaponry.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

"A well regulated militia" It's a phrase from the 2nd Amendment. Who do you think should do the "regulating"?

Again, it has already been ruled on. Why the hangup on militia and regulated? It has already been looked at and all the other amendments apply to individuals, ruling was that the second is no different.

In a 5-4 decision, the Court, meticulously detailing the history and tradition of the Second Amendment at the time of the Constitutional Convention, proclaimed that the Second Amendment established an individual right for U.S. citizens to possess firearms and struck down the D.C. handgun ban as violative of that right.

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: carewemust

IF it was an AK or a member of the AK family of fire arms, any where from 5 round mags(not likely) to 10,20,30, and 75 round drums which tend to be unreliable as hell . 30 is considered to be "standard capacity" for the platform

It was an AK

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DBCowboy

LOL Are you saying that "A well regulated militia" is a dangling modifier? Did the founders not understand grammar?

Now you're obfuscating because the narrative isn't working.

"The rights of the people to keep and bear arms."

*boom*

Come at me Broseph.

Do it, Broseph Stalin.

DO IT.

So we can be protected from an evil socialist/ communist government, because when they start killing, they murder millions