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originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot
Neither
I am not criticizing people for not doing enough
I am criticizing members of a community that has law enforcement allow the rape of their children for three decades, who spend more anger at a guy who was outraged by those rapes than the people who allowed them to continue
I have spent more time criticizing the law enforcement and authorities, this it’s not hypocrisy
All you have done is post on a thread about Robinson exact same as everyone else, yet you have tried to assume some moral superiority and claim others haven't done enough.
I’m not claiming a moral superiority
I’m a crap person
Yes I posted in a tommy thread
Notice my posts have largely been about the offices and authorities
I am just saying that in my opinion people seem to have more anger toward tommy than toward the officials that allowed rape, and if that were to change maybe the officials would be held accountable
Robinson is the topic of this thread.
Do we need to go over all your posts where you have accused others of not caring enough.
If yo my were even a half way decent human you would apologize.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Grambler
Course you don't have kids, hence you have no idea how far a father would go to protect them.
What i suggest is not hard in the slightest.
Just illegal.
Then again so is raping little girls.
3. In summary, the Attorney General alleges that the respondent’s conduct amounted to contempt of court in three different respects. First, the online publication involved a breach of a reporting restriction order (“the RRO”) that had been imposed under s 4(2) of the Contempt of Court Act 1981, and which prohibited any reporting of the Akhtar trial until after the conclusion of that trial and all related trials. Secondly, the Attorney General alleges that the content of what was published gave rise to a substantial risk that the course of justice in the Akhtar case would be seriously impeded, thereby amounting to a breach of the rule of contempt law known as “the strict liability rule”. Thirdly, it is alleged that by confronting some of the defendants as they arrived at Court, doing so aggressively, and openly filming the process, the respondent interfered with the due administration of justice. Contempt of court is quasi-criminal in nature, so the onus is on the Attorney General to prove his case so that we are sure.
On number one
We know that other outlets with more reach than tommy published facts about the case
The second point is tied into the first....
originally posted by: Freeborn
On number one
We know that other outlets with more reach than tommy published facts about the case
I thought you said no-one else was reporting on these cases?
Seems like you are now stating that relatively popular MSM outlets were in fact reporting on this case and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon wasn't the sole avenging angel that he has been portrayed as.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Freeborn
1. I never said no one else reported on it. I said hardly anyone was reporting on the fact police were covering for grooming gangs before tommy was saying it on tv in 2011
2. Your claim they reported on it with court restrictions is laughable. Show me where you saw that. The law says any reporting before the case ended could jeopardize the case. Therefore the media did
youre assuming they didn’t break the law because they weren’t charged. This is exactly what I am criticizing. Selective application of laws, and people show the fact people weren’t charged as proof they were innocent
Which is ironically exactly what happened for thirty years with grooming gangs. The police didn’t charge anyone, so the narrative was their must not be grooming gangs breaking the law
3. I do feel some people made comments belittling the terrible officials role of this travesty
But I concede they probably just did it in an effort to argue points with me, and probably don’t really like the authorities that allowed this to happen
Just like I am sure you would concede that o really don’t defend racism
I honestly have followed a lot of the story around tommy for two years
I believe he felt he was doing the right thing, and I believe he did raise awareness before many others did
I also know some used his message to be horrible racially
And I don’t know if tommy is a racist. I see a lot of claims, but not much evidence
Someone did in this thread show me video of him saying all Muslims were responsible for 7/7
That is despicable and even if his changed he has only himself to blame
But my take on this has always been more of a free speech/ holding corrupt authorities to account more than defending tommy
originally posted by: Grambler
We know that other outlets with more reach than tommy published facts about the case
This is further exhibited on the fact the judge silenced all media in the uk from discussing this case even after he was found guilty, which was incredibly terrible and unique
The jury deliberated for the rest of 25 May 2018, and were then sent away until the following Tuesday, 29 May. On that day, Counsel for two of the defendants applied unsuccessfully for the discharge of the jury, relying among other things on the way in which the respondent had confronted the defendants and the allegedly prejudicial nature of what had been said. On Friday 1 June 2018 there was a large demonstration by the English Defence League outside the Crown Court at Leeds, protesting at the respondent’s arrest and imprisonment. One of the defendants in the Akhtar trial, Sajid Hussain, absconded. His Counsel had expressed concern on his behalf about the demonstration, which had been advertised in advance. On Monday 4 June 2018, a fresh application to discharge was made, based on the effects of the demonstrations. This was rejected. On Tuesday 5 June 2018, the jury returned their verdicts, finding each of the remaining defendants guilty on all counts that had been left to the jury for decision.
So those are my closing musings. I have no issue at all – and nor should any of us – with Robinson seeking to and succeeding to challenge the lawfulness of his treatment at the hands of the courts. We are all entitled to due process, and should all expect, however abominable others may consider us to be, that the law will be applied fairly and correctly. My concern, contrary to what the Breitbarters would like to pretend, has always been the mob lining up behind Robinson to spread lies and quite literal fake news as to what took place, what the factual and legal issues are and how the law operates. Those peddlers of hate and deceit – the UKIPs, the Breitbarts, the Rebel Media, the Infowars, the unmentionable Twitter favourites – I will continue to resist as long as I keep up this vainglorious mission to bring law to the people who own it.
1. The first criminal conviction in relation to the Rotherham child abuse scandal was 2010. So yes It was talked about before Robinson. Robinson had nothing to do with brining this to light as pointed out to you numerous times.
2. Show any other media reporting on details of the case in breech of recreating restrictions.
3. Robinson is ex member of racist groups who had been convicted for violence and fraud. He has made numerous public bigoted comments which can be easily verified. Even Nigel Farage thinks he is a Thug. And before there is any comment about people can change or him being a reformed character last month punched someone outside a football game.
Little to nothing He has done has been to actually investigate or raise awareness of child abuse. Instead he has 'reported' on trials already on going for self promotion and push his own agenda. Claiming he was the one brining this to light is a gross disservice to those who actually did contribute to bringing these scrum to justice.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: oldcarpy
I'll just park this here before I go off for a few beers over a lie or two, as is my wont, apparently:
twitter.com...
Not much love love for Tommy here.
Tee hee......
Yes isn’t it strange how all of those people can spend time posting their hatred of tommy
Not many of them demanding the officials who allowed rapists off be held accountable though
Almost lie they care more about tommy than the rapists and officials that let them get away with it
Can you provide a link to all the actions you have personally taken to make these officials accountable.
So they now try him for the SAME CONTEMPT EVENT AGAIN but say it was incitement of a gang to siege the court ( which is odd because in spite of having 1 million facebook followers and the most active followers group in the UK NOT ONE arrived at that court that day OR ANY OTHER SUBSEQUENT DAY to attack the rapists. Probably because he did not incite them to do it! )
At another point, the respondent incited viewers to harass the criminal defendants. The words relied on are:“ You want to harass someone’s family? You see that man who was getting aggressive as he walked into court, the man who faces charges of child abduction, rape, prostitution – harass him, find him, go knock on his door, follow him, see where he works, see what he’s doing. You want to stick pictures online and call people and slander people, how about you do it about them?”
originally posted by: bartconnolly
Note these are REASONS the IRA commit terrorist acts. This is not a justification for such acts it is just suggesting these are the reasons
youre assuming they didn’t break the law because they weren’t charged. This is exactly what I am criticizing. Selective application of laws, and people show the fact people weren’t charged as proof they were innocent
The jury deliberated for the rest of 25 May 2018, and were then sent away until the following Tuesday, 29 May. On that day, Counsel for two of the defendants applied unsuccessfully for the discharge of the jury, relying among other things on the way in which the respondent had confronted the defendants and the allegedly prejudicial nature of what had been said.
On Friday 1 June 2018 there was a large demonstration by the English Defence League outside the Crown Court at Leeds, protesting at the respondent’s arrest and imprisonment. One of the defendants in the Akhtar trial, Sajid Hussain, absconded.
His Counsel had expressed concern on his behalf about the demonstration, which had been advertised in advance. On Monday 4 June 2018, a fresh application to discharge was made, based on the effects of the demonstrations. This was rejected.
On Tuesday 5 June 2018, the jury returned their verdicts, finding each of the remaining defendants guilty on all counts that had been left to the jury for decision.
Y-L's Facebook was read by 1.2 million people so that was a significant factor.
What is clear from these proceedings is that Y-L knew what he was doing was against the law and knew the likely consequences, then there are his guilty pleas.
An interesting perspective from The Secret Barrister here:
thesecretbarrister.com...
We are all entitled to due process, and should all expect, however abominable others may consider us to be, that the law will be applied fairly and correctly.
My concern, ..., has always been ..., what the factual and legal issues are and how the law operates.
the AG then retried the same case using "molesting the accused" i.e. saying to them "how do you feel about your verdict" was a serious miscarriage of justice