China warns Philippines to prepare for WAR if Manila drills for oil in South China Sea

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Back it up with the dead people in the ME. That’s all you have to say.

Maybe the Philippines should rename it "The North Philippines Sea"; maybe the French should rename it "The French Channel"; maybe the African Union should rename it "The African Ocean"; maybe the United States should rename it "the American Ocean"...

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

what does this have to do with American foreign policy? China is China and they are acting against international law, again, they are responsible for their own actions, America is not making China do this.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I'm a critic of the US but China IS NOT a nice country. They stole Tibet, they have jailed a whole group of a Muslim minority for indoctrination, they are a dictatorial country and in this case, they are doing what they want to do.


Though the US is probably worse when you add all up.

The US is worse cause we fight wars win and surrender. Plant the flag and constitution and we have victory otherwise stay home.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I know The Philippines and the US used to have close relations but I'm not too sure about the current state of affairs.

What would the domestic feelings be in the US if there was some sort of armed conflict between China and The Philippines and how do you think the US government would react?

China does seem to be flexing its muscles a bit at present.

We were helping them in WWII before Pearl Harbor. Not enough troops there because the allied troops were overrun and the Islands had to be rescued at a great cost. I think the US in the end, backs Philippine freedoms as much as Japan's, SKorea, France and Britain's etc..

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Stupid Chinese, they don't realize the South China Sea is on top of United States oil and that we'll freedom up the Philipines before they do.

You may not realize it but we have plenty of oil in the US. I have one close friend sitting on some of it from an inheritance he just found out about too (damn lucky guy, no I won't be in the will either).

So, here is one of many new finds World wide actually not just the US. And not just Shale either.

www.houstonchronicle.com...

China needs the Oil that is what matters. Their War machine will get it but they don't need to rob their neighbors. This isn't Tibet with a Dali Lama for a leader.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Back it up with the dead people in the ME. That’s all you have to say.

Yes because the ME was a paradise of peace without the US.

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

what does this have to do with American foreign policy? China is China and they are acting against international law, again, they are responsible for their own actions, America is not making China do this.

What American policy has to do with it is the Philippines looked to America as a strong trustworthy ally. Then when Democrats decided they did not like who the people elected they told them they wouldn't sell them arms unless they did what the Democrats wanted. This pushed them towards Russia and China.

a reply to: Justoneman

America really shaped their country in a lot of ways. MacArthur is a huge hero to them, they probably respect the sacrifice of American soldiers in WWII more than most Americans.

Deeply disappointed, he issued a statement to the press in which he promised his men and the people of the Philippines, “I shall return.” The promise would become his mantra during the next two and a half years, and he would repeat it often in public appearances.

On October 20, 1944, a few hours after his troops landed, MacArthur waded ashore onto the Philippine island of Leyte. That day, he made a radio broadcast in which he declared, “People of the Philippines, I have returned!”

www.history.com...

My wife hates history, and she knows all about him and his promise to return. Next time we go there she is taking me to Corregidor. I've been to Intramuros, amazing experience.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Justoneman

America really shaped their country in a lot of ways. MacArthur is a huge hero to them, they probably respect the sacrifice of American soldiers in WWII more than most Americans.

Deeply disappointed, he issued a statement to the press in which he promised his men and the people of the Philippines, “I shall return.” The promise would become his mantra during the next two and a half years, and he would repeat it often in public appearances.

On October 20, 1944, a few hours after his troops landed, MacArthur waded ashore onto the Philippine island of Leyte. That day, he made a radio broadcast in which he declared, “People of the Philippines, I have returned!”

www.history.com...

My wife hates history, and she knows all about him and his promise to return. Next time we go there she is taking me to Corregidor. I've been to Intramuros, amazing experience.

Wow, everyone should read that. Just wow. MacArthur left a lot of folks happy on that return.

a reply to: Justoneman

From what my wife tells me he has almost Godlike status there.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Freeborn

Obama destroyed our relationship so they went closer to China. Under Trump things are getting better, but they are still feeling burned by the US.

you must live in bizzaro world.....hundreds of millions lost in farm sales, billions in farm subsidies paid by us taxpayers to corporate agra, as well as a smaller percentage to family farms....prices up on any type of consumer good from china, meanwhile trump is charging double the room rates and other expenditures for secret service PAID to his OWN COMPANY...this is the trump tax...its name is "I GET MINE, F THE REST OF YOU"

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Freeborn

Obama destroyed our relationship so they went closer to China. Under Trump things are getting better, but they are still feeling burned by the US.

you must live in bizzaro world.....hundreds of millions lost in farm sales, billions in farm subsidies paid by us taxpayers to corporate agra, as well as a smaller percentage to family farms....prices up on any type of consumer good from china, meanwhile trump is charging double the room rates and other expenditures for secret service PAID to his OWN COMPANY...this is the trump tax...its name is "I GET MINE, F THE REST OF YOU"

Oh boo hoo Orange man bad , is your answer? It sure seems so. The farmers are doing fine in the rural community I live. Cattle and crops. Some flooding nearby has hurt some farms. Not that many. I sure some towns in the Corn Belt are going big and Corporate. I don't know how to stop it.

a reply to: jimmyx

Please stay on topic of the Philippines so we do not need to get moderators involved. If we wanted to talk about highest quality of life in america in 20 years and largest wage growth in US history we could make a different thread to discuss those facts, not opinions, facts.

This is about the Philippines though.

South China Sea grab was for 2 main reasons...

1) Resources, China cannot even feed itself. They MUST import food to keep everyone fed. Couple that with overfishing of the waters around China and a recently killed report that China's soil and water will never recover from pollution and they had to grab what they could. Oil was/is a bonus.

2) To create a standoff zone against US naval forces. This is detailed in many books about US / China relations. These islands are like permanent aircraft carriers and anti-air missile stations.

Keep in mind China and Chinese people will never lose. They will always seek to win and refuse to give up what they gain. Their culture does not allow lose of face (losing) and they find it inconceivable to lose unless they are forced to lose. They will never give back South China Sea unless it's taken and held via military force.

Watching the trade war has been quite fun for me as I pretty much know what the Chinese side will do. Lightzinger and his guys have been caught flat footed a number of times because they forget Chinese face will not allow the negotiators to lose. At all. Ever. Embargo is the answer that Trump's guys are trying to avoid but at this point I think it's warranted. Trump will be hard pressed to get a win-win negotiation from China.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Stupid Chinese, they don't realize the South China Sea is on top of United States oil and that we'll freedom up the Philipines before they do.

You may not realize it but we have plenty of oil in the US. I have one close friend sitting on some of it from an inheritance he just found out about too (damn lucky guy, no I won't be in the will either).

So, here is one of many new finds World wide actually not just the US. And not just Shale either.

www.houstonchronicle.com...

China needs the Oil that is what matters. Their War machine will get it but they don't need to rob their neighbors. This isn't Tibet with a Dali Lama for a leader.

The truth of the matter is, that although the U.S. does have plenty of oil, in order to make extraction economically viable it has to keep the market price of oil high.

Hence opec and all the invading of the middle East.

If these practices were not in place, the U.S. would be import8ng oil en masse as it would be cheaper than extracting on its own soil.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04


Ask Iran what happens when you're on top of US oil. Iran will be able to tell you shortly as well.

originally posted by: Justoneman
You may not realize it but we have plenty of oil in the US.

Why do we still import oil?

China's claim to the South China Sea is an affront to common sense. They have shown their true colours in their territorial ambition and will become increasingly militaristic and belligerent towards their neighbours, especially those who don't lie down and beg.

Those who think China is some sort of force for good just needs to look at their human rights record, Tibet and the way they treat minorities.

There will be conflict in the SCS, created and nurtured by China. There will be conflict over their other (many) territorial claims.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I know The Philippines and the US used to have close relations but I'm not too sure about the current state of affairs.

What would the domestic feelings be in the US if there was some sort of armed conflict between China and The Philippines and how do you think the US government would react?

China does seem to be flexing its muscles a bit at present.

The US and Philippines are on good terms, we are in the process of reopening the naval base there and we have a mutual defense treaty,