I recently watched 2018 UFO documentary on Bob Lazar

@spiritualarchitect

You’re confusing a mix of claims, some that Bob himself never made. Do you Thanks bob’s business only sells element 115? How did you conclude that was the chemical involved in the murder? Also, it is more or less agreed-upon that Bob worked at los Alamos as a technician. He also held contracts to service their geiger counters throughout the time he was ducking government bullets, and many years after.

Why did neither Jeremy or Bob bring up the murder investigation when the topic of the raid came up during the recent conference? Jeremy complained about people saying the document about the raid showed prosaic circumstances.. but didn’t elaborate why. This is a trend of them only bringing up strawman arguments (like people who said the raid never happened, something I don’t remember anyone saying) Instead of confronting valid criticism head on. Why the lack of transparency?

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

So the FBI is spying on him.
Supposedly because he had a chemical that got someone killed.
And he got the chemical from a place where the gov said he had never worked.

Reading some of the links provided would help clear up your misunderstandings. But I've come to appreciate a lot of people aren't in the habit of taking such actions here.

The FBI is not spying on Bob.

The FBI were investigating a homicide involving the use of thallium as a poison.

Bob's business is called United Nuclear and sells harmless radioactive Thallium isotopes that are fused and a part of epoxy disks.

Bob fully complied with the FBI search. The FBI clearly didn’t find anything toxic (linked to their homicide case) during their search.Bob Lazar is still a free man. Jeremy Corbell and Bob are being very economic with the truth to put it politely.

Any arguments about Bob being harassed by the FBI are based on the following unsubstantiated anecdotal claims:

1) Bob worked on extra-terrestrial spacecraft at Area 51
2) These ET spacecraft are powered by a fuel we would know as Element 115 (moscovium)
3) A form of Element 115 exists with a stable isotope
4) Bob 'acquired' a sample of this from Area 51 in 1989
5) This substance was still in Bob's possession as of 2019

These are the core problems in his story that cannot be proven starting with the first point.

In fact as shown earlier Jacques Vallee's latest book states that Bob Bigelow had employed Bob in a specially set up research company. That is until he realised Lazar's secret element was nothing more than a 'commercial emulsive product'.

a reply to: mirageman

I've never heard Corbel refer to there being a HAZMAT team onsite outside of the quote in that article you posted so it's odd this is the first time it has been referenced somewhere and I've listened to nearly all of the public discussions available with Corbel and Lazar.

In this video here he talks specifically about the HAZMAT team reference but the comment was actually made by Bob's employee Zack. Skip to 30:44 regarding the HAZMAT discussion: www.youtube.com...

Bob even references in this same Q & A at the 31:32 mark he had already spoken with the FBI about the incident 2 years prior so again why would the FBI raid him 2 years after the crime when they had already been in contact with Lazar about that very crime 2 years prior?

It's purely speculation from any of us as to why this raid occurred but what is for certain is none of what the official story states lines up with the reasons given. That doesn't mean I believe either Lazar or the FBI for that matter. What I don't believe is the "official story".

And whenever an "official story" doesn't line up then it's because there is an alternative reason.

If Lazar is in fact a complete and absolute fraud one would think the FBI would have long since known this...right?

So simple logic should lead a person to ask why on Earth the FBI has such a hard on for Lazar if the man is a fraud?

a reply to: 1point92AU

So simple logic should lead a person to ask why on Earth the FBI has such a hard on for Lazar if the man is a fraud?

The FBI have raided Bob's premises on two occasions. The recent one in 2017 which has been discussed already and previously in 2003 United Nuclear was raided for shipping restricted chemicals across state lines. He does sell some sensitive products!

Perhaps every 14 years someone in authority decides to remind Lazar he's under surveillance? The question would be why indeed? Jacques Vallee's new book states Bob Bigelow ended his association with Lazar when he realized the substance he was claiming to be the magical element 115 was in fact industrial emulsifier.

Of course the bigger questions are about Bob's claim that he was working on an ET craft. Which remain unsubstantiated. Was he set up like Paul Bennewitz? Is he merely a fantasist? Or did he really work on an ET craft?
Someone, somewhere knows the answers.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: 1point92AU

So simple logic should lead a person to ask why on Earth the FBI has such a hard on for Lazar if the man is a fraud?

Bob Bigelow ended his association with Lazar when he realized the substance he was claiming to be the magical element 115 was in fact industrial emulsifier.

Of course Bigelow would make a claim to the contrary. He has no choice but to do so. Why would he choose to implicate himself? Better yet...Lazar and Bigelow used the story as a disinfo campaign to discredit Lazar to throw off any agency wondering if Lazar actually did really have 115.

The FBI doesn't decide to randomly harass Lazar as a reminder if they think Lazar is a fraud.

There is something with regards to Lazar the FBI has a legitimate interest in.

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: 1point92AU

So simple logic should lead a person to ask why on Earth the FBI has such a hard on for Lazar if the man is a fraud?

Bob Bigelow ended his association with Lazar when he realized the substance he was claiming to be the magical element 115 was in fact industrial emulsifier.

Of course Bigelow would make a claim to the contrary. He has no choice but to do so. Why would he choose to implicate himself? Better yet...Lazar and Bigelow used the story as a disinfo campaign to discredit Lazar to throw off any agency wondering if Lazar actually did really have 115.

The FBI doesn't decide to randomly harass Lazar as a reminder if they think Lazar is a fraud.

There is something with regards to Lazar the FBI has a legitimate interest in.

Or the FBI and Lazar are on the same team; the same project.

But it seems you have your mind made up and you will justify or invent anything you need to so that you can continue to believe the FBI is after Lazar for working on alien craft.

a reply to: 1point92AU

1) The FBI raided Lazar twice as stated in 2003 and 2017. If he really had radioactive fuel for a spacecraft from out of this world then just two visits fourteen years apart is rather mild treatment for stealing the rarest substance on Earth.


2) Bigelow's story has only just been made public in 2019. 30 long years after all the publicity and also after both FBI raids. Jacques Vallee made the claim in his book, not Bigelow, which was first printed on 27th January 2019. So how can this be a disinfo campaign now. Bigelow registered his company Zeta Reticuli 2with Lazar as a shareholder on Jan 24th 1990.

3) The FBI's legitimate interest is because he sells 'sensitive' material.

However if you believe Bob worked on a spacecraft from Zeta Reticuli. Which is what the whole story has to distil down to. Then what is the evidence for it?

The best part for me is that Lazar was some kind of a Pimp!

And Knapp ratted him out!

That’s pretty funny!

I thought, though, that prostitution was legal in Nevada or do you need some kind of permit?

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: 1point92AU

So simple logic should lead a person to ask why on Earth the FBI has such a hard on for Lazar if the man is a fraud?

Bob Bigelow ended his association with Lazar when he realized the substance he was claiming to be the magical element 115 was in fact industrial emulsifier.

Of course Bigelow would make a claim to the contrary. He has no choice but to do so. Why would he choose to implicate himself? Better yet...Lazar and Bigelow used the story as a disinfo campaign to discredit Lazar to throw off any agency wondering if Lazar actually did really have 115.

The FBI doesn't decide to randomly harass Lazar as a reminder if they think Lazar is a fraud.

There is something with regards to Lazar the FBI has a legitimate interest in.

Or the FBI and Lazar are on the same team; the same project.

But it seems you have your mind made up and you will justify or invent anything you need to so that you can continue to believe the FBI is after Lazar for working on alien craft.

I've said many times in the past I don't hold a position one way or the other. I do, however, like to debate how people attempt to arrive at absolute conclusions when no one from either side will ever be capable of proving their belief.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: 1point92AU

However if you believe Bob worked on a spacecraft from Zeta Reticuli. Which is what the whole story has to distil down to. Then what is the evidence for it?

You mean what conclusive evidence exists and the answer is none. There is only qualitative evidence which is unprovable. Like I said to the other poster I've never held a position one way or the other. I see a lot of deniers in these threads spreading disinformation.

Most everything he said 30 years ago turned out to be true..
He passed multiple lie detector tests and got raided by feds twice.
Plus he developed his own tech (ie, propelled bike) to show his hands-on skill creating 'craft' of his own.
Now ppl are focused on his formal training can't be verified, rather than his knowledge

Why aren't there 30 years more of Lazars since?

originally posted by: St Udio
Now, Years ago Lazar claimed to possess a quantity of this Not Found in Nature, Element 115…

S-4 is common parlance for the 'Supply Section' in Military Jargon...

I have watched a lot of Lazar interviews since you posted this and as before, I have found no evidence of him saying he had any 115 in his personal possession. If you have an interview clip of such statement, please post it.

S-4 IS military Jargon, so it is not odd that it would be used to specify a military site. Perhaps you would have believed him if he called it Dreamland and Skinwalker?

originally posted by: 1point92AU
If Lazar is in fact a complete and absolute fraud one would think the FBI would have long since known this...right?
So simple logic should lead a person to ask why on Earth the FBI has such a hard on for Lazar if the man is a fraud?

Exactly. Which is why the FBI's actions are evidence of Lazar's case in and of itself.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect

originally posted by: St Udio
Now, Years ago Lazar claimed to possess a quantity of this Not Found in Nature, Element 115…

S-4 is common parlance for the 'Supply Section' in Military Jargon...

I have watched a lot of Lazar interviews since you posted this and as before, I have found no evidence of him saying he had any 115 in his personal possession. If you have an interview clip of such statement, please post it.

S-4 IS military Jargon, so it is not odd that it would be used to specify a military site. Perhaps you would have believed him if he called it Dreamland and Skinwalker?

I don't know the exact time stamp, but Bob says in this video that he got the Element 115 and had it in his possession.