BREAKING: New potentially habitable exoplanet found around Teegarden's star

a reply to: Gothmog

Mass is of no concern if one knows how to dematerialize from a solid matter object into a sort of ghost form while traveling, then materialize back into solid matter once you've reached your destination.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Always had a problem with the twin theory of speed of light travel. Mostly the time dilation changes depending on who tells it 1 year is 100 years, 1 hour is 60 years...it is all over the place.

But if George takes off now with current technology, then it would be possible from our prospective to advance technology enough within those 1200 years to beat him to the planet by teleportation devices that convert matter to energy and rematerialize at the destination or something.

Even if light or faster than light speed was possible. Inertia is the great equalizer in both acceleration and deceleration, a 12 year journey would probably be closer to 25 to 30 years just for those legs of progressively slower than light speed.

On a side note, since Uranium was named after Uranus and Plutonium was named after Pluto, shouldn’t Plutonium no longer be an element?

In theory with a Podkletnov superconductor propulsion system we could reach Teegarden B in 71 days.With Joe Firmage's gyroscopic inertial drive we could be there in less than three weeks,assuming it's legit.

If the UFOs really are here, maybe they travel ftl going back enough through time space to offset time dilation.

Btw the paper of the discovery: www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/forth/aa35460-19.pdf

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Maybe one day after achieving light speed people can be put in cryo on the journey there at age 53. That way they can retire at 65 on a new planet. I'm sure though Congress would change Social Security for only Earth.

One major flaw in that
Light speed is unattainable.
As long as mass is involved.
Ask Einstein.

Light speed is attainable for a magnetically shielded starship that mimics no rest mass. And one that is capable of constant acceleration...superluminal speeds are achievable.

Time dilation is a myth that has never been proven.

a reply to: johnthejedi24

You are correct, Flyingclaydisk has it the wrong way round.
To the observer (if it were possible to observe across that distance), a craft travelling at 99.999999% Light Speed would take just over 12 years to get from Earth to Teegarden (assuming just for example purposes; 0 to 99.999999% instantly upon leaving back to 0 instantly upon arrival).
But to the traveler it would be only just over 12 hours that had passed.
This is relativistic time dilation.

An another point, a few considerations regarding it's potential for life:

The planets orbit around Teegarden may be as little as 5 days and we have no idea what its day is. It could be like Mercury and have a day that's longer than its year or it could be rotating on its axis extremely quickly. It may have no Axial Tilt at all or be like Uranus and spinning on its side. All of this would undoubtedly affect the possibilities of life.

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Maybe one day after achieving light speed people can be put in cryo on the journey there at age 53. That way they can retire at 65 on a new planet. I'm sure though Congress would change Social Security for only Earth.

One major flaw in that
Light speed is unattainable.
As long as mass is involved.
Ask Einstein.

Light speed is attainable for a magnetically shielded starship that mimics no rest mass. And one that is capable of constant acceleration...superluminal speeds are achievable.

Time dilation is a myth that has never been proven.

Not at all
To accelerate mass to 100% of light would require infinite energy
Of course , if you have a way to produce infinite energy do tell.

Otherwise mass would have to be negated.
Or , broken down all the way to information

a reply to: Erno86

GPS satellites experience time dilation and have a code embedded in them to correct for it.

heck they had two identical atomic clocks synced up and put one on a plane and flew it around for a day and the clocks said different times when it landed.


time dilation is a fact

a reply to: Diaspar


Ahhh, no sir, I'm afraid you are mistaken. Let's get rid of the percentages for a second, to illustrate the point, okay?

George Jetson (in the spaceship) is bored. To keep himself busy he throws a ball against the forward bulkhead of his space ship, to bounce back and catch it. George is traveling at the speed of light, or "C", right? To George the ball takes a couple seconds to rebound off the bulkhead and come back to him. To an outside observer, the ball never moves...it takes 'infinty' (time) for the ball to reach the bulkhead, and infinity (time) to come back.

To George, everything seems normal, but to the stationary observer, the ball never moved. That, is the time dilation theory (and the Twin Paradox). Nothing can travel at the speed of light.

Yes, you can make an argument that George collapsed time, but you can only make that argument in the context of a stationary observer, and even then it all has to be relative. So, you change the definitions of "time" in the process.

Sorry. I think you might need to hit those Physics books again.

Where you got caught up, is in the percentage game. When you take the equation to absolutes, it becomes much more clear.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I was posting reply, but it's too late in the land of Lys to be pondering relativistic speeds and time dilation

I'll come back to this tomorrow

a reply to: ausername

Or they destroyed themselves and their planet many thousands of millennia ago. I can see AOC campaigning on it now.

* Yes, I used the search link at this web site, which gave me nothing to "TallyUFO". It also tells me nowhere how to post to proper location... oh well, enough of my time wasted trying to find simple simple answers to simple questions...
I haven't been on this website for many years and I just saw your post about asking me to join this website. I did join it as TallyUFO long ago to try to respond to questions asked of me, but do not remember any login stuff, so I opened a new one to respond to you today.
I have 45 minutes of the original video that is only been played twice. Once to make a copy and the second time it was played for a retired Wright-Patterson Air Force Base head of the Forum Technologies Department. He was in charge of the imagery analysis section of the department 130+ people) and he was also a six-year member of the "Project Blue Book" team. The only comments that were relevant after watching the video that I thought were interesting, but not too sure if I believe, were, "I've never seen anything like that." and he also said, "That was a very unusual object in the sky, unlike anything I've ever seen before."
My wife in the video died about eight years ago. I remarried on December 31st, 2016. Below are some notes and video links.

The FIRST video, I try to give location information to aid the viewer.
The SECOND video is mostly the "chaos of the moment" once the camera was brought outside to me.
After first seeing this object, I stayed outside to keep my eye on the object and sent one of my daughters inside to get the video camera from her mother. This took about ten minutes to happen, which sadly was when the fast movement I spoke about in the first video took place and wasn't recorded, just seen by myself and by my other daughter that stayed with me.
The second video (and best focused shots) didn't start to happen until nine minutes into the video.
The THIRD video, gets into some of the best shots of the object.
The FOURTH video, shows TWO objects for a brief moment before the second one disappeared. The it shows the "bright red" the object becomes before quickly leaving as the helicopters approach. Also, at the end I show some still shots of the object/objects too.

1.) Pt 1 of 4 - TallyUFO 09-05-2005 - Map & Thoughts - ReUpLoad 03-12-2010

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2.) Pt 2 of 4 - TallyUFO 09-05-2005 - Map & Thoughts - ReUpLoad 03-12-2010

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3.) Pt 3 of 4 - TallyUFO 09-05-2005 - Map & Thoughts - ReUpLoad 03-12-2010

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4.) Pt 4 of 4 - TallyUFO 09-05-2005 - Map & Thoughts - ReUpLoad 03-12-2010

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On the other hand:

New Detailed Study of 1,300 Nearby Exoplanets Finds No Signs of Life

new interview of Bob Lazar. 1.2 mln views for 2 days!


For all those who do not know yet, Bob Lazar was working near Area 51 as young scientist, was allowed to enter in a parked alien saucer craft, and tried to decode the engine that was working on anti gravity principle. I enjoyed his old interviews where he explained in detail how the antigravity opens a portal through space.
I guess with that kind of craft the above new planets will be reached for one longer day.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Maybe one day after achieving light speed people can be put in cryo on the journey there at age 53. That way they can retire at 65 on a new planet. I'm sure though Congress would change Social Security for only Earth.

One major flaw in that
Light speed is unattainable.
As long as mass is involved.
Ask Einstein.

Einstein was probably one of them.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
On the other hand:

New Detailed Study of 1,300 Nearby Exoplanets Finds No Signs of Life

I know you didn't write the article's title, but a better (although wordy) title would have been "New Detailed Study of 1,300 Nearby Exoplanets Finds No Radio Signals Sent by Other Life".

Obviously, there still could be life on those plants, but seemingly not intelligent life that communicates via the part of the EM spectrum that this study looked at. Or, there was an intelligent technological civilization on a couple of those planets in the past, but not anymore (and 160 years ago is not what I mean by "the past").

If even microbial life exists on one of those plants -- planets that are practically right next door in galactic terms -- that's still a big deal. That would likely mean that life is common in the universe, and if life is common then there probably is other intelligent life.

The question becomes, how close to us is that other intelligent life. It could be so far away from us, even if it is within our own galaxy, that we might as well say for all intents and purposes that we are "alone" because of the slim chance that we will ever come in any kind of contact with them.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: Blue Shift
On the other hand:

New Detailed Study of 1,300 Nearby Exoplanets Finds No Signs of Life

I know you didn't write the article's title, but a better (although wordy) title would have been "New Detailed Study of 1,300 Nearby Exoplanets Finds No Radio Signals Sent by Other Life".

They looked for other things besides radio, including laser light and atmospheric spectra that would indicate either life or technology and didn't find anything.

a reply to: Gothmog

That's assuming we understand all the laws of physics, which I highly doubt we do.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: Blue Shift
On the other hand:
New Detailed Study of 1,300 Nearby Exoplanets Finds No Signs of Life

I know you didn't write the article's title, but a better (although wordy) title would have been "New Detailed Study of 1,300 Nearby Exoplanets Finds No Radio Signals Sent by Other Life".

They looked for other things besides radio, including laser light and atmospheric spectra that would indicate either life or technology and didn't find anything.

That's fine. The larger point I was trying to make was that not having any current technological civilizations a close as 160 light years away (which as I said, is practically right next door) doesn't really tell me a lot about the possibility of other technological civilizations that likely exists elsewhere in the universe, and maybe within our own galaxy.

The nearest technological civilization that is currently ongoing might be 15,000 LY away, which is almost 100 times farther than the scope of this study, but is still only 15% of the way across the galaxy.

And I specified "currently ongoing" because the galaxy is quite old, and one of those 1300 planets might have had a technological civilization in the past that has since died out. That civilization might have even been around a recently as 5 million years ago, which is just a blink of an eye in cosmic terms, and a full 60 million years AFTER the dinosaurs died out.

In fact, there might have been dozens of technological civilizations in our tiny part of the galaxy -- say in a 500 LY radius -- in the recent past that have come and gone, eventually dying of civilization old age. And by "recent past", I'm talking about the past 100 million years.

That's a long time for a species, and likely a long time for any civilization. But it's a short time for the Earth, and certainly for the galaxy.

So the galaxy could be teeming with life, and even teeming with technological civilizations in its recent past, but we could still be so far away from the closest one that we may as well be alone.