Trying to resolve 9/11

originally posted by: openedeyesandears

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: neutronflux

I wonder what caused that explosion when the planes hit the buildings, jet fuel

Do you have evidence of anything else. Why question when you can make an actual argument with supporting evidence? But you only have innuendo. That’s why you play this game.

a reply to: neutronflux

I'm asking a very simple question, still no answer

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: neutronflux

I'm asking a very simple question, still no answer

Again. Why would you “ask” questions if you actually had a valid argument where you could cite facts.

a reply to: openedeyesandears

It looks like you answered your own question anyway.

a reply to: neutronflux

well, you explain to me what brought THE 2 TOWERS down at nearly free fall speed?
Jet impact? nah
Buildings burning hot? nah
Control Demolition? more than likely
Neutronflux lighting a match? nah... can't see that

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: neutronflux

well, you explain to me what brought THE 2 TOWERS down at nearly free fall speed?
Jet impact? nah
Buildings burning hot? nah
Control Demolition? more than likely
Neutronflux lighting a match? nah... can't see that

First off, the twin towers did not fall at the rate of free fall. And the core systems fell last and slower than the floor systems.

9/11 and the Science
of Controlled Demolition

www.skeptic.com...


3WHAT ABOUT THE ALMOST FREE-FALL COLLAPSE OF THE TWIN TOWERS? The key is the “almost” modifier. If I told you I was making almost $100,000 and you found out I was making only $67,000, you’d say I was exaggerating. So stop exaggerating the collapse speed of the WTC Towers! The 80,000 tons of structural steel slowed down the collapses of the Twin Towers to about ⅔ (two-thirds) of free-fall.3 And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed, coming down last.4 According to Richard Gage: “To bring a building symmetrically down, what we have to do is remove the core columns.” But on 9/11 the stronger core columns came down last, which violates this supposed most fundamental rule of controlled demolition.

Again...

It’s right in the video, seismic, and audio evidence that fire / thermal stress related collapse is the most credible cause with zero evidence of CD,

Again...


WTC 2.

The jet hit the tower. The jet took out outer and at least 7 core columns. The jet cut services such as firewater mains and electrical. The jet removed insulation. The WTC was know to have deficient fire insulation throughout the buildings. The jet impact resulted in fires throughout the tower.

The fires resulted in heating up the floor system and trusts stripped of fire insulation. The floor trusses still boxed in at the inner and out columns could not expand in length. That resulted in them bowing downward. When they cooled. They contracted. They pulled on the outer columns to cause bowing on the floors hit by the jet.



Once the bowing was great enough, the load of the upper 20 floors was no longer transmitted to the foundation. The load was “caught” in the bowing, and initiated collapse with no signs of explosions or balls of plasma by buckling the columns. No indication of nukes setting off.

The upper part of the building fell into the building below. The falling mass bent or sheared floor connections. The building surrounding WTC 2 were not damaged by “ejected” columns, but long segments of columns toppling outward,

Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers

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Summary

Analysis of the connections supporting the composite floor system of the WTC towers showed that at and below the im- pact floors, the greater majority (above 90%) of the floor truss connections were either bent downward or completely re- moved from the exterior column. This was probably related to the overloading of the floors below the impact region after col- lapse initiation. Depending upon weld joint geometry, detachment of the main load-bearing seats was a result of either fracture in the heat affected zone of the base material (standoff plate detached from spandrel) or through the weld metal (seat angle detached from standoff plate). Failure in both cases was assumed to be a result of a shear mechanism as a result of overloading from floors above impacting those below. There did not appear to be a significant change in distribution of failure modes of the floor truss connections when comparing those connections inside vs. outside of the impact region or those ex- posed to pre-collapse fires and those that were not.

The falling mass stripped the floor systems from the vertical columns.



The columns fell last, and only toppled in the wake of the floor system once the vertical columns lost lateral support.

The columns were not cut. The towers did not fall through the path of greatest resistance as Richard Gage Claims.

In reply to NWOwned statement.

"Nothing left."

Not sure what your ranting about? The American Welding Society documented the recover and examination of thinner metal objects like floor connections.

The tower columns were numbered and identified by those numbers. What columns were not recovered?

Any building collapse makes lots of dust


Building collapse initiated by hydraulics to prove what was whiteness at WTC 2 was not driven by explosives. Just WTC 2 crushing itself and air being pushed out by the falling mass of the upper structure.

a reply to: openedeyesandears

If you have a more credible explanation based on cited evidence, then by all means argue a theory I should believe.

Is it nukes?
Thermite ceiling tiles and paint?
Dustification?
Holograms with missiles and lasers?
Fizzle no flash bombs?
Plasma?

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: neutronflux

well, you explain to me what brought THE 2 TOWERS down at nearly free fall speed?
Jet impact? nah
Buildings burning hot? nah
Control Demolition? more than likely
Neutronflux lighting a match? nah... can't see that

Gravity, just like every other building that comes down

Can't believe I'm having to point that out

a reply to: neutronflux

Well for one, I didn't say free fall but "nearly free fall" and if you don't believe in that statement... you need to see a doctor and quick. I'll give you a hint to save you a trip to the ER. Review (oops sorry) have a look at the video for the first time of when the towers collapsed. If you deny that, you are the only one in the world believing it was not at "nearly free fall speed". So if that was the case, CD DID IT AND NOTHING ELSE.

And what about all that heat in the towers to weaken the beam? It could not have come from the planes as MOST of it should've burnt in that explosion on impact. Only logic, so there had to be something else to make 2 TOWERS, NOT 1 BUT 2 TOWERS collapse as they did. Weird... 2 towers on the same day and they both fell the very same way. Coincidence? Nah, the very same people did the controlled demolition on the 2 towers.
You are blind or have an agenda... pick one

a reply to: openedeyesandears

You

and if you don't believe in that statement...

Don’t have to believe. The rate at which the cores collapsed is right in the video evidence.



The cores fell last, “And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed,”
www.skeptic.com...


You

And what about all that heat in the towers to weaken the beam? It could not have come from the planes as MOST of it should've burnt in that explosion on impact

Again. The floor tresses at the areas of impact had their insulation damage and stripped. The much thinner floor tresses that provided lateral strength to the vertical columns heated around the temperature of office fires. About 1000 Celsius. Rising in temperature causes steel to expand and weaken. The thin floor tresses heated to the point they lost about 60 percent of their strength, and expanded. The floor tresses that could not expand in length were forced to bow downward under load. The misshapen floor tresses contracted upon cooling. The stress caused floor system failures, and columns to bow inward. When the bowing become great enough, the load of the upper building was not transferred to the foundation. The load was “caught” in the bowing of the vertical columns. The bowing became buckling, and the collapse was initiated.

BUT 2 TOWERS collapse as they did. Weird... 2 towers on the same day and they both fell the very same way.

In that each tower was built the same, each twin tower had a jet crash into them, and the collapse of each tower started at the floors hit hardest by jet impact? What do they say about science a repeatable results?

Yeah weird. Yes, that last bit was sarcasm.

the very same people did the controlled demolition on the 2 towers.

The collapse initiation for WTC 1 and 2 were from the floors where the jets hit. Making it impossible by fire and impact damage for any CD system to survive to initiate collapse as captured in the video evidence.

You are blind or have an agenda... pick one

Probably both. I cannot stand the con artists that push the WTC was brought down by the fantasy of planted pyrotechnics. When there is zero evidence of CD.

If you believe so much in the truth movement, then state what conspiracy fantasy I should find the most credible with cited/supporting evidence.

Is it nukes?
Thermite ceiling tiles and paint?
Dustification?
Holograms with missiles and lasers?
Fizzle no flash bombs?
Plasma?


Did I miss any? Which one is the most credible.

a reply to: neutronflux

Why would I answer a parrot, when you always copy/paste the same old pictures, same old wall of text. You must have it all memorized by now since you've been posting the same pictures and the same wall of text for I don't know how many pages and threads, when a question is asked about something else.
And yes, as you answered " probably both" for being blind and have an agenda, we (ATS members) knew that a long time ago. It's obvious. I even suspect something else...

Btw, view this video. It'll show you the towers collapsing a little faster than your pictures. (go to 3min 40 sec)

youre right. definitely controlled demo. inside job. israel likely involved.

originally posted by: AlienAnonymous
youre right. definitely controlled demo. inside job. israel likely involved.

You hit it on the nail.

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: neutronflux

Why would I answer a parrot, when you always copy/paste the same old pictures, same old wall of text. You must have it all memorized by now since you've been posting the same pictures and the same wall of text for I don't know how many pages and threads, when a question is asked about something else.
And yes, as you answered " probably both" for being blind and have an agenda, we (ATS members) knew that a long time ago. It's obvious. I even suspect something else...

Btw, view this video. It'll show you the towers collapsing a little faster than your pictures. (go to 3min 40 sec)

So. There is no evidence for any of the leading truth movement “theories”?

Again....

If you have a more credible explanation based on cited evidence, then by all means argue a theory I should believe.

Is it nukes?
Thermite ceiling tiles and paint?
Dustification?
Holograms with missiles and lasers?
Fizzle no flash bombs?
Plasma?

a reply to: neutronflux


Is it false The cores fell last, “And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed,”
www.skeptic.com...




You know how you spot conspiracists full of crap. They will not directly address and directly answer questions leveled at them out of intellectual honesty. They usually give a rant then end with “watch this truth movement propaganda”.

a reply to: neutronflux

You didn't even watch the video. Watch the video... the towers go down way faster then your parroted pictures.
I don't care where some columns landed, you can shove them up... you know where. Watching the towers go down is enough proof for me.

I'm not the one pushing an agenda here

a reply to: neutronflux

An as you usually do, you avoided my question. Paper, desks and chairs on fire created the collapse? If MOST of the jet fuel burnt on impact, where did the "extreme heat" come from?
You should know since you know everything else as if you were inside the towers watching/recording the whole event.

Unreal how you get away with all your BS on here.

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: neutronflux

You didn't even watch the video. Watch the video... the towers go down way faster then your parroted pictures.
I don't care where some columns landed, you can shove them up... you know where. Watching the towers go down is enough proof for me.

I'm not the one pushing an agenda here

Your not answering questions..

The question was, “Is it false The cores fell last, “And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed,”
www.skeptic.com


Long lengths of vertical columns for WTC 1 and WTC 2 stood whole seconds after the complete floor of the floor systems. That is true. It’s part of the video evidence.



Why would I watch your propaganda video when I can reference the actual collapse video.

Is the below false? Is it covered in your propaganda video? Or does your video push a false narrative by ignoring that:

From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.

FAQs - NIST WTC Towers Investigation
www.nist.gov...

Is your belief in the truth movement based on a cited fact? Or faith in the fabricated mythology of the truth movement.

Again...

If you have a more credible explanation based on cited evidence, then by all means argue a theory I should believe.

Is it nukes?
Thermite ceiling tiles and paint?
Dustification?
Holograms with missiles and lasers?
Fizzle no flash bombs?
Plasma?

a reply to: neutronflux

Only idiots would post the same copy/paste pictures and posts a thousand times.
Instead of posting very selective pictures of the collapse, why don't you show us an ACTUAL VIDEO of the collapse?
You won't because then it would be too obvious of a CONTROL DEMOLITION and then you would look like a fool.

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: neutronflux

Only idiots would post the same copy/paste pictures and posts a thousand times.
Instead of posting very selective pictures of the collapse, why don't you show us an ACTUAL VIDEO of the collapse?
You won't because then it would be too obvious of a CONTROL DEMOLITION and then you would look like a fool.

Can you answer the questions?

Your not answering questions..

The question was, “Is it false The cores fell last, “And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed,”
www.skeptic.com


Long lengths of vertical columns for WTC 1 and WTC 2 stood whole seconds after the complete floor of the floor systems. That is true. It’s part of the video evidence.







Why would I watch your propaganda video when I can reference the actual collapse video.

Is the below false? Is it covered in your propaganda video? Or does your video push a false narrative by ignoring that:

From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.

FAQs - NIST WTC Towers Investigation
www.nist.gov...

Is your belief in the truth movement based on a cited fact? Or faith in the fabricated mythology of the truth movement.

Again...

If you have a more credible explanation based on cited evidence, then by all means argue a theory I should believe.

Is it nukes?
Thermite ceiling tiles and paint?
Dustification?
Holograms with missiles and lasers?
Fizzle no flash bombs?
Plasma?

I gave my theory what brought down the twin towers, but you will not lay anything on the line? Why?