Trying to resolve 9/11

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Lazy88

So are you suggesting WTC7 fell from hydraulic jacks?

No.

Quote where I have posted such a thing.

But what is evident.

A building collapse doesn’t need a bit of explosives to crate the truth movement false narrative of “too much dust.”

These are screen shots from an explosives free demo creating lots of dust.

originally posted by: neutronflux

The below was a hydraulic jack actuated collapse. Shows air pressure can push out stuff.

What is known is that thermal expansion, thermal contraction, and hot structural steel under load can fail as if it was a hydraulic demolition. Structural failures from being pulled too far, or under too much strain from thermal stress. From heating and cooling.

This was seen in WTC 5 and 6. Steel failures from thermal stress. WTC 5 and 6 show the buildings were susceptible to failures related to fire.

www.fema.gov...

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Lazy88
It looks more C4 and usual controlled demolition job. WTC 1&2 where outside the usual pattern being such large structures. WTC7 fits the pattern beyond reasonable doubt.

There is no evidence that WTC buildings were worked on by explosives.

Let’s look into WTC 7. There is no sound / pressure transients indicating explosives with the power to cut structural steel.

There are two or three different interviews of individuals where WTC 7 was to their backs and they had to be told to turn around WTC 7 was collapsing. That is inline with a collapse from thermal stress and failures.



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At about 12:10 WTC fails with no indication of explosives. WTC 7 starts to move down with no explosions before movement with the power to cut steel columns. There seems to be no explosions in the instant of downward movement. There person talking at 12:10 doesn’t even hear the building start to collapse and has to be told what is going on.

Demolition by C4 is loud, explosions before movement, is quite evident.

The video also goes into Firefights knew WTC 7 was failing internally. Was giving indications the building would fail.

There is no indication the steel was worked on by explosives.

WTC 7 had no traps, water barrels, tires in place to capture shrapnel from C4 setting off.

Stuff like this should have happened.

Royal Canberra Hospital implosion

en.m.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=A%20twelve%2Dyear%2Dold%20girl,and%20was%20manually%20demolished%20afterward s.

The implosion of the Royal Canberra Hospital was a disaster, with large pieces of debris reaching spectators situated 500 metres away on the opposite side of the Lake at a designated safe viewing location. A twelve-year-old girl, Katie Bender,[3] was killed instantly,[4] and nine other people were injured. Large fragments of masonry and metal were found 650 metres from the demolition site. The main building did not fully disintegrate and was manually demolished afterwards.

Reflections on tragic Royal Canberra Hospital implosion, one of the capital's darkest days

It was where Katie Bender had been standing with her family – 430 metres from the blast – when she was hit by metal shrapnel travelling at 130 metres per second.
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Every indication WTC 7 fell from fires and thermal stress.

No indication of high energy explosives setting off, creating over pressure events, hitting steel with pressure waves to cut steel and producing shrapnel. There was something like 87 columns with WTC 7 having 47 floors. How many cutting charges would it take with kicker charges to misalign the columns for a C4 demolition of WTC 7. And there is no indication of such pressure events.

No indication steel worked on my explosives.

Every indication WTC 7 suffered to a greater extent lower down in the structure the failures seen in WTC 5 and 6 that lead to a collapse internally as seen by the penthouse sinking below the roofline. The internal collapse gutting the building leaving the facade unsupported, then the facade falling last as proven by the exterior being on top of the WTC 7 pile. With parts of WTC 7 falling across a street to damage Fiternan hall.

Aftermath
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When 7 WTC collapsed, debris caused substantial damage and contamination to the Borough of Manhattan Community College's Fiterman Hall building, located adjacent at 30 West Broadway, to the extent that the building was not salvageable.[50] A revised plan called for demolition in 2009 and completion of the new Fiterman Hall in 2012, at a cost of $325 million.[51] The Verizon Building, an art deco building located directly to the west, had extensive damage to its eastern facade from the collapse of 7 World Trade Center, though it was later restored at a cost of US$1.4 billion.[52] Construction on a new 7 World Trade Center began in 2002,[53] and the new structure opened in 2006.[54]

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If you're offended by a possible higher, twisted truth, don't read this. But I'd rather know the truth in misery than deceit in ignorance. A lot of people think we were put into a Matrix simulation in our history. Some think it has something to do with 9/11/2001. I believe in 1993 World War III was sparked, but I won't get into that theory. Eventually aliens arrived at our planet on the brink of destruction, likely in 1993. They posted up all around our planet and had no plans to hurt us but help us by not blowing each other up by providing the Matrix technology, a indestructible central hub connected to the mother-brains that provided the neuro-connection and ability to run a simulation in which everyone they helped plug into the simulation to sustain peace on the planet had all of their dream memory, based around the year 1984 due to the thriving economy stepping out of the Cold War, and much of the planet is plugged into this simulation. This was their higher-calling by the collective Illuminati entity ran by God, an entity of vibrations that communicated with the prophets of the Bible through both vibrations and speaking. Not that the aliens were shady for this, but they likely destroyed our satellites, knowing there could be rebel forces below ground that could be watching to attempt to take over at any time.
Unfortunately, as I believe the first Large Hadron Collider was built in 1965 in the Midwest United States (the same year club Matrix opened), the fake Illuminati has been studying human behavior via remote neural monitoring and creating the human-eventuality blueprint so they can do their best to know our next move - and they had even bigger plans too. It was likely on 9/11/2001 in the Matrix (roughly 19-20 years down the road) that the realm of the physical was doing fine and dandy, or so the good ones thought..
It turns out we had invisible satellites in outer space and we could see and hear how the aliens were operating the Matrix, and we had plans of our own. We likely took a few aliens hostage underground, had to torture them to get some answers on how to run the Matrix and even hack it, and then, utilizing the world's biggest large hadron collider which I theorize is way down below ground in the Midwest, incinerate the entire electromagnetic field (actually field that, because of an EMP underground, powered by a skyscraper for solar energy and functioning as a POWERFUL battery at night, that EMP being on level with a large hadron collider) by firing the EMP and, upon it reaching the circumference of the large hadron collider and having it constantly running, burning all the life above ground in the realm of the physical. This how I think humans put us in an alien's Matrix and why there are so many targeted individuals. We are now in a computer simulation. I believe large hadron colliders still exist outside the Matrix we're in, in the real world, and I believe they're used for electromagnetic space exploration via the Midwest-enabled superelectromagnetic field.....watch the 'Watchmen' trailer and you'll see the guy becoming electromagnetic in a room where lightning is striking him. I believe through some sophisticated means I'll never understand that the Mafia has some scary capabilities, and obviously here in the Matrix they can be completely invisible. These large hadron colliders are also likely pumping dark matter into our atmosphere that can target your electromagnetic field via satellite and put you in what feels like a chemically-induced nightmare, overriding your Higgs Boson. This is probably false though. Don't let me scare you. They would only do this to bad people, and it wouldn't be CERN. CERN aren't bad people.
Do you want to know what happened on 9/11/2001?
Look at this before you start playing guessing games. It's from the Super Mario Bros. 1993 movie. If you pause right when it shows the Twin Towers, the smoke forms a huge question mark over the North Tower on the right. This is because it was foreshadowing a cruel 9/11/2001 riddle, I theorize. A riddle that tied into a required mission to act in a true emergency (hence 9-11) and solve the riddle correctly to know what to do about the emergency, and I theorize the North Tower had an atom bomb, while the South Tower had a fake atom bomb.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og6POlrNU64[/youtube]

If you pause after a few seconds you'll see the South tower on the left with a weird sort eerie destruction. The South Tower was the MCU (Main Control Unit) and they hint way after 9/11 on what the South Tower's role in 9/11, watch the scene after Joker escapes with Lau in 'The Dark Knight' and Gordon says "The Joker planned to be caught. He wanted me to lock him up in the MCU" followed by firefighters putting out fires to buildings, very similar looking to cleaning up after 9/11. I believe this tower was the cruel 'joke' of 9/11/2001 in which case the riddle can't apply to the joke, and the joke can't apply to the riddle, and you know why? There was a conspiracy theory on 9-11-2001 by 'Richard D. Hall' which shows video evidence of a far-away drone-type ball hitting the South Tower and exploding upon impact. But you can catch the easy reverse psychology of his theory, a theory that was meant to be dug up only if it had to be and would be placed at the forefront of 9/11 conspiracy buzz because guess what.....Richard D. Hall's theory uses a very unique strategy - showing two far-away-yet-almost-identical shots of a drone striking the South tower and exploding and in the other it shows an airplane. The one with the airplane had the backdrop of New York City erased.
This automatically will spark people's curiosity, but check this out. There is closer footage, especially a very famous shot where you can see a ball-looking sprite attached to the bottom of the airplane upon the most fake looking plane impact I've seen in my entire life. What does this tell you now? His evidence formed into a strategy to downplay any talks of an attempted sky hook operation on the South Tower to remove what they thought, according to what I theorize, is an atom bomb is clearly attempting reverse psychology because he tries to say in the close-up footage the ball-sprite literally had to be over the plane and couldn't be covered up, thus attempting to make his video compelling and damning that all weighted evidence, some like crisis actors posing as enemies but are really working as friends.
Now I stumbled upon a May 28, 1965 'Life' magazine riddle that I arrived at through Neo's metacortex badge. This riddle goes 'Why do air sacs break down'?
Now this is where # gets twisted. Do not read on if you don't want to find out that 9/11/2001 was possibly influenced conceptually by a joke (Joker) in the South Tower and a riddle (Riddler) in the North Tower.
Again, the South Tower likely had a fake atom bomb in a location revealed to them on one of the floors of impact, and the North Tower likely had a real atom bomb in a location revealed to them on one of the floors of impact.
This riddle I mentioned is something I arrived at through being an anomaly, but you'd never believe it. In fact, I arrived at it through Neo's Metacortex Badge in the Matrix Resurrections. The relativity thing on the riddle is
38 [] 99 40 T AA
Wait Weight
And of course '99' is for predictive
And of course 'AA' is for programming NOW READ ON!!!!

I figured out the relativity answers in the riddle, and the correct answers end up being 'Wait / Weight' and 'Pop' are jokes within the correct answers to the riddle but still solveable.
See, they wanted them to look for the obvious answer first and just roll with it, but 'Wait' definitely isn't the right answer to 911, so 'Weight' is....Atom bombs weigh too much for sky hook.
This means that any attempt to utilize a sky hook mission with a sky hook balloon (hence AIR SACS, get it?) is going to result in the atom bomb falling down onto the streets of Manhattan on 9/11/2001.
The other answer, 'Pop' requires a little thought, but think - Mountain DEW, a kind of soda or POP, reminds you of the acronym 'D.E.W. for DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS!
In other words, I'm guessing that in an elevator shaft or column extending clear, CLEAR, CLEAR below ground of Manhattan they had to drop the atom bombs, and theoretically, what has been the new arms race that's no longer an arms race? It's what they've likely been lying to us about as far as how long they've been around, large hadron colliders or particle smashers.
Now, as I said, the South Tower was the main control unit according to what I theorize and a subliminal message I received. Main control unit for what? As I just mentioned, there was likely a huge particle smasher, an EMP, and a lot of people living down there, but I hope not.
Because the South Tower was the main control unit, they likely thought the real atom bomb was in the South Tower, so they either dropped it down first or, because the atom bomb was possibly fake, they truly DID utilize sky hook to get it out of there, as an elevator shaft drop would be scary as hell. But the North Tower likely had the real atom bomb that informed intel were likely forced to drop down an elevator shaft or column, and I believe they successfully did on 9/11/2001, but I think the deep, deep underground of Manhattan got it bad when the atom bomb hit and went off, likely taking many lives and destroying a particle smasher.
I'm not trying to say I know Richard D. Hall is wrong. This is all just theory based on clues I've gotten that have seemed to inexorably lead me to solving 9/11/2001 for you guys. Haven't you waited years for this? I know it's sad, and you can hate me if you want, but I am a truth seeker, and someone brought me the light - but I certainly ain't no Riddler, and definitely ain't no Joker.
Do I believe airplanes initially struck the towers? Nope. I theorize we utilized missile silos to fire missiles at the Twin Towers, missiles loaded with jet fuel that could hit such precise targets coated and spread with thermite in the shape of airplane wings is my theory. Trust me, I got a scary sign for that one, on top of many scary signs.
The towers began collapsing naturally from the jet fuel but they utilized the Directed Energy Weapons synchronized with the moment the steel beams gave away to guarantee the buildings would be pulverized, I theorize.
No wonder Ground Zero didn't have as much debris as it should have.
I solved 9/11/2001 guys, it was based on a Batman story never told. New York City was saved.

We'd never turn to it?

www.youtube.com...

Rest in Peace to the victims of 9/11/2001.

a reply to: AnomalyBeast

38 [] 99 40 T AA
Wait Weight
And of course '99' is for predictive
And of course 'AA' is for programming NOW READ ON!!!!

Individual list predictive space time programming?

Aliens in the background, helps explain some of the global agendas going on these days. As for which aliens exactly and their aims, looks dark and plays hard.

For my take on the towers, remote controlled planes hit the towers. The passenger flights got rediverted midair and landed else where. The passengers either got a new identity or got shot.

The case for thermite as one compound used in the fall of the towers is solid. As for what other explosive and possible extreme temperature devices where used to weaken the core structure and rest of the building is still hazy.

a reply to: kwaka

Why would you respond to obvious spam?

As for termite. That’s a lie too.

Just an excuse to now mention thermite.

The failed research found nothing more than rust and paint chips. With iron “microspheres” proven to be supplied from other containing sources like fly ash, welding, and grinding.

The whole point of thermite was to give the truth movement life support because there was no evidence of C4 that you still insist on.

originally posted by: kwaka

The case for thermite as one compound used in the fall of the towers is solid

No. It was truth movement propaganda to milk the cash cow of a biased target audience after no evidence of planted explosives to keep the truth movement on life support that once throughly examined failed miserably with a paper that was found to be full of holes and used a pay to play journal with peer reviewers contributing to work in the paper.

a reply to: Lazy88

No.

I know it hurts taking that red pill. To question that trust that helped get us this far means reassessing many other things. It's not all bad, government has gotten a lot of things right from being built on thousands of years foundation. Some of it is getting a bit whacky these days. Do we hold the line on ignorance?

originally posted by: kwaka



I know it hurts taking that red pill.

Nice movie cliché. And false authority.

Care to debate actual facts.

This is the reaction that is thermite

Fe2O3 + 2 Al → 2 Fe + Al2O3
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Notice for the thermite the aluminum is pure aluminum. The WTC samples have the aluminum bound up in paint and primers. Is that false. That’s not thermite.

The truth movement “research” always burnt the dust by supplying oxygen in the burning. You can even get steel wool to burn if you add enough oxygen.

The WTC “research” never tried to set off the WTC dust in an inert atmosphere to show it was self oxidizing. Why, because the available aluminum in the paint and primer chips were chemically bound and not free to carry out a thermite reaction. But will burn if enough oxygen is added. Thats’s not thermite, thermite once burning is a self supporting reaction.

originally posted by: kwaka

To question that trust that helped get us this far means reassessing many other things. It's not all bad, government has gotten a lot of things right from being built on thousands of years foundation. Some of it is getting a bit whacky these days. Do we hold the line on ignorance?

Thermite has been questioned, and has no proof as an element of WTC collapse.

No. The fact is it would take several minutes for thermite to spark and burn through any vertical column to contribute to the collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7 as witnessed. It burns too slow. With no means given how thermite would cut vertically into vertical columns. There was nothing to drive the reaction to cut deep. It takes oxygen at a decent amount of pressure for a cutting torch to cut deep into steel.

There is zero evidence of hundreds of cuts made by thermite into vertical structural steel with thermite being too slow burning with no means to cut deep into steel to sever it and initiate collapse.

WTC thermite is a lie, with truth movement “research” misrepresenting WTC rust, paint, and primer with no evidence the chips had free aluminum that could support the self oxidizing reaction that is thermite. With zero evidence WTC columns cut by thermite. With zero means showing how thermite would be employed to cut and sever vertical columns in hundreds of cuts.

a reply to: Lazy88

WTC thermite is a lie

I know you cannot accept the work done by A&E for 9/11 truth. You have failed to address my questions about it in this thread, except for a shallow character attack and not discuss the issues.

In trying to resolve 9/11, you look trapped under a mountain of wreckage. I cannot pull you out, only listen and help find some direction with the darkness you are in. God bless you.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Lazy88

WTC thermite is a lie

I know you cannot accept the work done by A&E for 9/11 truth. You have failed to address my questions about it in this thread, except for a shallow character attack and not discuss the issues.

In trying to resolve 9/11, you look trapped under a mountain of wreckage. I cannot pull you out, only listen and help find some direction with the darkness you are in. God bless you.

Asked you a simple question. In the truth movement “research” of WTC dust. Where is the free aluminum to carry out a self oxidizing reaction that is thermite where it would burn in an inert atmosphere.

Thermite in the WTC dust is a proven truth movement lie. With certain truth movement talking heads lying about WTC dust, rust, paint chips and primer chips. Thermite doesn’t carry aluminum chemically bounded in paint and primer.

In fact, the aluminum in the WTC dust is already oxidized. Is that false. And not going to carry a thermite reaction.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Lazy88


you look trapped under a mountain of wreckage. .

There are pictures of the WTC wreckage. There should have been hundreds of thermite cuts? Do you have a picture of one column cut by thermite.

There is this that shows how the truth movement uses lies.

Debunked. The WTC 9/11 angle cut column [Not thermite, thermite cut later]

www.metabunk.org...

The thread is a very good deep dive how certain people in the truth movement will blatantly lie. And how some will believe that lie no matter what.

a reply to: Lazy88

Where is the free aluminum

Aluminum is a small part of thermite to get the metal reaction happening. As for where thermite does most of its work is with iron. Used a lot in cutting railway tracks for a long tine.

originally posted by: kwaka


Aluminum is a small part of thermite

Total BS answer not based in chemistry what so ever.

There are two compounds in the thermite.

Fe2O3 (s) + 2 Al (s) → Al2O3 (s) + 2 Fe (s)

Aluminum, pure aluminum not chemically bounded to anything, is literally half the reaction and required to drive it.

originally posted by: kwaka

Used a lot in cutting railway tracks for a long tine.

It’s used for field welding. And it takes special equipment to hold the thermite and rails in place.

What Is Railroad Thermite Welding?

www.railway-fasteners.com...

a reply to: Lazy88

Total BS answer not based in chemistry what so ever.

It is based on results. Lot of iron micro spheres found in the dust. Where did the building go if a pan cake theory was feasible? A lot still unknown about the chemistry of the collapse. Iron microspheres ain't one of them.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Lazy88

Ok?

www.machinedesign.com...

And WTC conspiracy theorists' claim that microscopic spheres of iron found in WTC dust could only have been formed with thermite was recently debunked by a group called New Mexicans for Science and Reason who pointed out that very small metal particles have a much lower melting point than bulk material. Wires and filaments from electronics in the WTC are the likely source of the microspheres. The NMSR group even produced a YouTube video showing how to create your own microspheres by burning steel wool: www.youtube.com...

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories | Mick West

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I will be more than happy to quote the video and paraphrase.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Lazy88

Total BS answer not based in chemistry what so ever.

It is based on results. Lot of iron micro spheres found in the dust. Where did the building go if a pan cake theory was feasible? A lot still unknown about the chemistry of the collapse. Iron microspheres ain't one of them.

Care to address what was actually posted?

You posed this.

originally posted by: kwaka


Aluminum is a small part of thermite

My reply
Total BS answer not based in chemistry what so ever.

There are two compounds in the thermite.

Fe2O3 (s) + 2 Al (s) → Al2O3 (s) + 2 Fe (s)

Aluminum, pure aluminum not chemically bounded to anything, is literally half the reaction and required to drive it.

You claimed this.

originally posted by: kwaka

Used a lot in cutting railway tracks for a long tine.

I can find it’s used in the opposite. Used in welding track with special equipment to hold the thermite in place.



Care to cite the equipment needed and the procedure to cut railroad rails with thermite?

a reply to: Lazy88

Used in welding track with special equipment to hold the thermite in place.

Rail tracks don't get welded together here in Oz. If they did the rails will buckle and make a big mess as the day time heat hits and the metal expands. I am not going to post the special mix used to cut steel here. You are close with some of it, it gets more complicated than that.

originally posted by: kwaka

Rail tracks don't get welded together here in Oz. .

That has nothing to do with citing source of equipment and a procedure to cut railroad rails with thermite

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Lazy88

Used in welding track with special equipment to hold the thermite in place.

Rail tracks don't get welded together here in Oz. If they did the rails will buckle and make a big mess as the day time heat hits and the metal expands. I am not going to post the special mix used to cut steel here. You are close with some of it, it gets more complicated than that.

So? You wouldn’t use thermite ether way as not to risk a brush / wild fire? 🤔

And I think the weld is to fix a damage section of track. Not to make one continuous rail where rails come in segments anyway. So no real need to cut rail most of the time.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: Lazy88

I am not going to post the special mix used to cut steel here. You are close with some of it, it gets more complicated than that.

WTF?

This is the thermite recreation in proper ratio..

Fe2O3 + 2 Al → 2 Fe + Al2O3

Or copper?

3 CuO + 2 Al → 3 Cu + Al2O3

But you wouldn’t use copper thermite on iron rails.
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