Why Use Atom Bombs on Civilans Barely 3wks after 1st Test Detonation?

a reply to: Artesia

Over the years I've found one story that said it was because there were aliens beneath Heioshima and it took two bombs to do the job.

Another reason was to prove the technology under actual operating conditions, which apparently the US does with ALL military technology.

a reply to: Azureblue

And I've found a story that Elvis was a Reptilian shape-shifting alien. But I did not believe it was true.

a reply to: oldcarpy

was

WTF ????????????????????? elvis is still alive everyone

knows that

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Obviously - that's a given. Living on a Caribbean island with Shergar and Lord Lucan. Hitler too, I expect.

a reply to: FredT
The Germans were so far ahead of the USA it's not even funny. If they were so backward why did everyone rush in to get the technology. You've bought into the mythos of the superiority of the USA.

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Oh? Why didn't they drop a nuke on London or New York then?

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

remind me - who unconditionaly surrendured ?

a reply to: FredT

That's why they did a lot of research at Hanford in Washington state. A lot of electricity was diverted from Grand Coulee dam for the project.

a reply to: Artesia

By bombing Japan we saved a million or more allied lives.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: FredT

That's why they did a lot of research at Hanford in Washington state. A lot of electricity was diverted from Grand Coulee dam for the project.

Wasn't just power. They needed the water for cooling.

a reply to: buddha

Y'know... You may want to actually, I don't know, do some research about what was actually going on in Japan just prior to the Fat Man, and Little Boy, drops...

Japan was preparing to fight to the death--the death of themselves and as many Allied troops as possible. Mass Kamikaze attacks were being prepared, both airborn and on the water.

Civilians were being taught how to spear the larger American/Allied soldiers to inflict deadly wounds.

...and you want to talk about evil? Let's talk about Nanking. Let's talk about the women forced into prostitution to service Japanese troops in both China and Korea. Their treatment of various ethnicity's on Pacific Islands. Then we'll discuss how "evil" the US is.

a reply to: Creep Thumper

That, too. Both sets of Grandparents remember the "mysterious" blackouts, and brown outs at the time.

It was kind of an open secret that some form of weapon research was on going there. No one talked about it, but kinda hard to hide an influx of thousands of workers into what was barely subsistance farm land.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: FredT
The Germans were so far ahead of the USA it's not even funny. If they were so backward why did everyone rush in to get the technology. You've bought into the mythos of the superiority of the USA.

This is an often repeated fallacy. In fact, the Germans were nowhere near having an atomic bomb. Hitler wanted the focus on more conventional weaponry.

I recommend Richard Rhodes' The Making of the Atomic Bomb, in case you want to dispute my input.

This book won the Pulitzer and the National Book Award plus a third I don't feel like typing out.

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

To call that premise laughable is an understatement.

Germany was, in no way, ahead of the Allies in this research. They never came close to a bomb, irregardless of what revisionist historians attempt to claim.

a reply to: Creep Thumper
Awesome book. Rhodes really encapsulates the run up to the Manhattan project and actual project itself including the weak Japanese effort

If they were so far along why ship crude uranium oxide to the Japanese via the U-234 instead of weapons grade material

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: FredT
The Germans were so far ahead of the USA it's not even funny. If they were so backward why did everyone rush in to get the technology. You've bought into the mythos of the superiority of the USA.

Then why did they lose?

a reply to: FredT

Good question. One I'd like to see someone try to answer.

I know the answer. A certain megalomaniacal psychopath with delusions of godhood thought that because he fought in the trenches of WWI that made him a military genius--he wasn't, thank goodness...Churchill was much the same, though his was South Africa during the Boer War (I think...). Churchill had military advisers that would tell him "No, Winston, no...good PM, go lie down now." ((I wonder if anyone will catch the reference?))

The Germans did come up with some incredible stuff, no doubt...the Allies didn't need to. They came up with weapons that were good enough, and easily built, to win the war of logistics. They got there, in the words of Nathan Bedford Forrest, "firstest, with the mostest.". It helped that they had two unassailable, and massive, industrial bases, the U.S. and Soviet Union, to draw upon.

Logistics won the Second World War.

a reply to: seagull

Yep, AND if Hitler had the bomb at ANY point he would have used it. Certainly as the Russians closed in on Berlin, or on a suicide U-boat into New York. etc etc.

If they had the bomb what was he waiting for? I think some in this thread have been watching way way way too much of the most excellent "Man in the High Castle"

For those interested int he REAL German bomb effort, Heisenberg's War: The Secret History Of The German Bomb is a good start plus the Rhodes book previously mentioned

a reply to: FlyingFox

no one wanted to drop the bombs or invate the home islands - but the war had to be ended - using the atom weapons saved allied and japanese lives - end off