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144 Carriers of merciless weapons, fearless in the face of battle.
145 Her commands were tremendous, not to be resisted.
146 Altogether she made eleven of that kind.
147 Among the gods, her sons, whom she constituted her host,
148 She exalted Qingu, and magnified him among them.
149 The leadership of the army, the direction of the host,
150 The bearing of weapons, campaigning, the mobilization of conflict,
151 The chief executive power of battle, supreme command,
152 She entrusted to him and set him on a throne,
153 "I have cast the spell for you and exalted you in the host of the gods,
154 I have delivered to you the rule of all the gods.
155 You are indeed exalted, my spouse, you are renowned,
156 Let your commands prevail over all the Anunnaki."
157 She gave him the Tablet of Destinies and fastened it to his breast,
158 (Saying) "Your order may not be changed; let the utterance of your mouth be firm."
159 After Qingu was elevated and had acquired the power of Anuship,
160 He decreed the destinies for the gods, her sons:
161 "May the utterance of your mouths subdue the fire-god,
162 May your poison by its accumulation put down aggression."
Commentary
The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis. Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.
Well then feel free to post all of the evidence that supports the claim of a real Jesus.
originally posted by: KansasGirl
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: KansasGirl
But why do you believe that? You do know that there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim. And a ton of evidence showing that The stories about Jesus were pieced together from several other sources.
You are totally and completely under-informed on your last two sentences there. Embarassingly (for you) under-informed.
As to why I believe what I do, I am absolutely not going to waste my time with you on that, because it's very personal to me, and because you have absolutely no interest in considering anything besides your Enuma elish (which you seem to bank EVERYTHING on) as an explanation. Furthermore, you are very rude, crass, and worst of all: disrespectful. If I had even the slightest, tiniest indication that you were in ANY way open-minded to considering something other than your own theories, I would oblige you. But you are not interested in anything but your own "knowledge."
I have been where you are though, so I do understand. I don't blame you for believing what you do, because as I said, I was there before.
Cheers.
Joseph Atwill, who is the author of a book entitled ‘Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus', asserts that Christianity did not begin as a religion, but was actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire."
Atwill's claims are based on what he described as important and revealing parallels between a first-person account of first-century Judea (an ancient Roman province now part of Israel and Palestine) and the New Testament.
"What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of (Emperor) Titus Flavius as described by Josephus," Atwill wrote in a blog on his web site.
Atwill believes that the story of Jesus was actually copied and created from the biography of the Roman emperor.
The reality is we are unlikely ever to know the ‘facts' about Jesus," says Ronald A. Lindsay, a Senior Research Fellow at the Center for Inquiry, a non-profit educational organization. Lindsay authored an essay on the evidence for Jesus in the book "Sources of the Jesus Tradition."
"There are too many different stories about him, all of which have some serious credibility problems and which are inconsistent with one another," Lindsay told Discovery News. "For the objective historian, he will always remain a shadowy figure, with little substantive biographical content. On the one hand, we have many who will take things on faith, accepting some subset of the stories as unquestionably true. On the other hand, there are those who insist that Jesus is an invented figure, a myth or a hoax. I think both of these extremes are almost equally implausible."
Possibly. But we also know that religion poisons universities and governments.
originally posted by: JBIZZ
Very interesting post. I believe 2000 years from now people may view movie franchises like Star Wars & The Matrix similarly since they derive from these religious stories as well. All science also derives from religion. We would not have universities or governments without religion.
The salvation comes from three - and hence, on the third day, in relating to the world with the logic of thesis/antithesis/synthesis, the fallen self, or egotistical self, is able to realize its unity with the universe through the logic of three.
Make sense?
Perhaps salvation from the social structure set up by elites - by the 'wanderers' who worship power.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Did you search for the image?
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Astrocyte
Look up a picture of Isis holding Horace on her lap.
If you want The complete picture of what the Abrahamic religions are trying to portray. You should start with early Sumarian writings, and work your way up through all of the other early middle eastern teachings. You’re basically starting in the middle of the story if all you are focusing on is the Christian Bible.
So you are suggesting any woman holding a baby is because of the isis Horace thing
Really, you that brainwashed into believing your own narative
So what in relation is relevant to Sumerian and Hebrew
You been zeitgeisting way to much
Zeitgeist is stupid
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: Astrocyte
Mary comes from the Hebrew word "mar" - bitter.
Hoo boy. It wouldn't be that "Mary" is a Greek translation of "Myriam?"
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Possibly. But we also know that religion poisons universities and governments.
originally posted by: JBIZZ
Very interesting post. I believe 2000 years from now people may view movie franchises like Star Wars & The Matrix similarly since they derive from these religious stories as well. All science also derives from religion. We would not have universities or governments without religion.
Science doesn’t derive from religion, but it could be argued that the organization found around religious institutions, such as reading and writing, and the centralization of stored information, helped promote the idea that science was indeed the best path to discerning fact from assertion.
It could also be argued that science is what proves the fictitious nature of historical religious texts.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
It is you, who is unwilling to question your beliefs. I know you are not ready, but someone reading this will gladly start on the path.
originally posted by: KansasGirl
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: KansasGirl
But why do you believe that? You do know that there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim. And a ton of evidence showing that The stories about Jesus were pieced together from several other sources.
You are totally and completely under-informed on your last two sentences there. Embarassingly (for you) under-informed.
As to why I believe what I do, I am absolutely not going to waste my time with you on that, because it's very personal to me, and because you have absolutely no interest in considering anything besides your Enuma elish (which you seem to bank EVERYTHING on) as an explanation. Furthermore, you are very rude, crass, and worst of all: disrespectful. If I had even the slightest, tiniest indication that you were in ANY way open-minded to considering something other than your own theories, I would oblige you. But you are not interested in anything but your own "knowledge."
I have been where you are though, so I do understand. I don't blame you for believing what you do, because as I said, I was there before.
Cheers.
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: KansasGirl
I have been where you are though, so I do understand. I don't blame you for believing what you do, because as I said, I was there before.
Respectfully, it is unlikely you have been where he is at. Once a person sees the Abrahamic religions for what they really are, there is no going back.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
While it is certainly not the exact same story, For those willing to look, you will see many elements of genesis included in these verses.
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originally posted by: JBIZZ
Very interesting post. I believe 2000 years from now people may view movie franchises like Star Wars & The Matrix similarly since they derive from these religious stories as well. All science also derives from religion. We would not have universities or governments without religion.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: Astrocyte
Mary comes from the Hebrew word "mar" - bitter.
Hoo boy. It wouldn't be that "Mary" is a Greek translation of "Myriam?"
Or that Miriam comes from the Egyptian name Mry jmn. well called Mr Shift, Mary was also translated as ster of the sea so the Mary=bitter link is tenuous at best
Good call