Superfungi from agriculture compost heaps a major health issue for humans

This is a case of us creating our own biological assassin.

Agricultural anti fungus spraying is creating resistant superfungi in nature. We are using the same treatments as the farmers in our hospitals to treat us post surgery.

www.thetimes.co.uk...

Farmers are being blamed for creating a wave of drug-resistant fungi that can infect people’s lungs or blood — and which are appearing in many gardens and compost heaps.

Several forms of the “superfungi” have emerged, often infecting people with weak immune systems. They are also becoming common in hospitals, causing post-operative blood infections.

The rise of the superfungi is strongly linked to farming, where widespread use of antifungal sprays on crops has made ordinary yeasts and moulds evolve resistance to such chemicals.

This is really scary as these superfungi are the very organisms that break down dead matter. That is how nature does its recycling and here we go stopping it doing its work because it is agriculturally convenient for us. This behavior mixed with the "new age" gardeners loving their compost heaps is the ideal opportunity for the superfungi to thrive in. Essentially compost is nature's breaking down poo from all its processes, from human to vegetable and beyond.

We have manipulated at our peril once again. All the nature people thinking they were doing something "back to nature" are letting nature build its little land mines in their own back yards for possible future essential population control of the humans that are trying to wipe out its gut bacteria. The farmer sows the seed and surely we all eat of the crop of their behavior and karma. It will start treating us like crops to be attacked with its new kinds of mould.

We have it the wrong way round totally. We are meant to let the crops fight their fight and use their own immunity to the fungi, grow crops suited to the environment and certainly not intensively. Nature is doing its thing to the best of its ability. If we think we can better it with our own strategies it will either embrace the idea or dump it. Common-sense wise I understand that nature is telling us off for our behavior and informing us it will give us something horrible in return to teach us a lesson in attempt to stop the destruction of our farming behavior. Nature never intensifies its compost in festering areas. It is spread extensively and continually in slow measure, one dead plant a year. Essentially the new plant feeds on the worm treated matter of its parent. It was never meant to be stashed in steaming piles enclosed like that. Compost heaps are NOT NATURAL. We make these intense heaps everywhere and then spray away the mould, but it evolves an immunity and attacks us back eventually, the punishment according to the severity of the crime. That is natural justice.

The future depends on as much diversity of food as possible. The less intensive strain and burden we are upon our environemnt the less will be our problems and self created brought on by our own actions. At our current rate all hell is going to break loose soon. If we act so aggressively politically when the tree is still green what will we do when it is dry?

Nature has it in its power to wipe the floor with us. Nature is arming itself as I write with such organic weapons. We really have no idea of the intelligence we are up against and abusing so destructively and violently. The friends of nature really are helping it prepare for battle in the form of the gardeners, "friends of the earth indeed", lol, with them as the number one casualty of its military campaign perhaps? Nature is not selective about who it kills. The country lovin' middle class gardeners and even the upper crust who like to dabble are much more likely to go gathering their nature compost than I am without any garden because my society is so crammed full it can't give many space to live. Where is Mama Nature gonna aim her spores for spears I wonder? Who is hurting her the most?

a reply to: Malak777

The friends of nature really are helping it prepare for battle in the form of the gardeners, friends of the earth indeed, lol!

The article clearly says that the fungicide resistant fungi has developed because of the over use of fungicides. Like antibiotic resistant viruses and bacteria have developed because of the over use of antibiotics.

Just because it has recently been found in compost heaps doesn’t mean it developed there. Compost has been around for ages, like you say it is natures way of breaking down dead material. So how you come to the conclusion it is somehow the fault of gardeners is beyond me.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Malak777

The friends of nature really are helping it prepare for battle in the form of the gardeners, friends of the earth indeed, lol!

The article clearly says that the fungicide resistant fungi has developed because of the over use of fungicides. Like antibiotic resistant viruses and bacteria have developed because of the over use of antibiotics.

Just because it has recently been found in compost heaps doesn’t mean it developed there. Compost has been around for ages, like you say it is natures way of breaking down dead material. So how you come to the conclusion it is somehow the fault of gardeners is beyond me.

I did not say it was the fault of gardeners, but if the compost heap was not there then there would be no way of the spores spreading that way. These heaps are satellite colonies for the agricultural heaps, big and little heaps, the empire and the colonies.

Yes, the gardeners are proving useful to this mould. The article says the resistant moulds are getting into the gardener compost heaps. It could not spread so easily without those heaps. Reason dictates the gardeners are superfungi helpers by doing what they do. I explained how compost heaps are not natural if you read my article. It is a dirty idea in nature's book that spreads disease, a lesson it learned long ago about what not to do with its dead things.

The gardeners are not conscious of it. They will be out in their millions in the West today getting ready for the season. The farmers will be spraying and the gardeners will be opening their compost bins to spread a bit of muck and some superfungi spores. The article is telling you and I this.

Do you see what I am saying? I am not saying they are doing it on purpose, but yet again we are shown up to be severely lacking in the "consciousness of our own actions" department. Nature has made use of our gardening behavior to spread its "Resistance Brigade" of troops. There is no escape from the spores if our immune systems can't cope with them.

a reply to: Malak777

My threads sits nicely with this one that I only just saw was there, after writing mine.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Very worrying, actually!

Its getting worse in the world of sea fishing also. The fish are becoming very slimy and the fisherman are really leary now of even touching the fish. This is mostly happening in the warmer ocean waters.

a reply to: Malak777

So you don’t see the over use of fungicide as the real problem, which it is?

Compost heaps aren’t natural you claim, yet if you go into the woods you will find compost everywhere. As per the other thread this fungi was found to have spread throughout the patients room, and guess what there were no compost heaps in the room!

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Malak777

So you don’t see the over use of fungicide as the real problem, which it is?

Compost heaps aren’t natural you claim, yet if you go into the woods you will find compost everywhere. As per the other thread this fungi was found to have spread throughout the patients room, and guess what there were no compost heaps in the room!

The entire food chain is based on 'compost'.

originally posted by: musicismagic
Its getting worse in the world of sea fishing also. The fish are becoming very slimy and the fisherman are really leary now of even touching the fish. This is mostly happening in the warmer ocean waters.

Thank you for this information.

I live in a fishing village.

originally posted by: musicismagic
Its getting worse in the world of sea fishing also. The fish are becoming very slimy and the fisherman are really leary now of even touching the fish. This is mostly happening in the warmer ocean waters.

How much warmer are the "oceans" versus how much more (waste) nutrients are in the same waters?

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: Malak777

So you don’t see the over use of fungicide as the real problem, which it is?

Compost heaps aren’t natural you claim, yet if you go into the woods you will find compost everywhere. As per the other thread this fungi was found to have spread throughout the patients room, and guess what there were no compost heaps in the room!

No, there are NO COMPOST HEAPS IN NATURE. The biggest pile will be animal dung - elephant dung perhaps, but they never poo in the same place in the wild so only one poo to deal with at a time in any one location. Nature left lots of room. Only humans do not give themselves space to live healthily without over burdening their environment "to death".

In the forest there is only the leaves. They soon blow everywhere. Old plants have a whole year to begin the decomposing "recycle", before a new layer is added. Dead trees are made of wood with natural fungicides in the bark that means the natural fungi have to act very slowly, but are not banned from the environment. Nature even has fires sometimes to cleanse huge areas that quickly grow back again.

Really, there are no piles of compost in nature. I will say it again that nature never did this for obvious reasons. Only human stash poo, their own and nature's too.

Nature will always outsmart us. We forget we are but another organism and a very vulnerable one too. If we keep on destroying I have no doubt nature will decimate us. It finds us useful and will tolerate much because we are vital to the plan, but if we become so useless that we destroy the thing anyway then nature will decimate us. Nature can do this very easily with micro-organisms.

You are arguing with me. Argue with nature. It is She who keeps to the rules of universal harmony. Only we are the chaos. There is no chaos in the universe, only in the human mind and behavior. We are very blind and don't know the consequences of what we do, pretty much constantly.

Didn't Jesus say that we know not what we do? He sure was right about that.

originally posted by: Malak777

originally posted by: musicismagic
Its getting worse in the world of sea fishing also. The fish are becoming very slimy and the fisherman are really leary now of even touching the fish. This is mostly happening in the warmer ocean waters.

Thank you for this information.

I live in a fishing village.

not sure where you live, but the slime in more visible this season, mostly in the southern Japan area

a reply to: Malak777

You have a pretty poor understanding of fungus.

Also, odds are good they found these fungi in compost because they tested there... but they will propagate ANYWHERE they find a medium to grow on.

Odds are pretty good, that these fungi can not thrive well in compost, which, by it's nature, is filled with all kinds of other fungi and organisms that would tend to overtake the ones in question.

a reply to: Malak777

Oh Really? Who told you that?

What the heck do you think the forest floor is?

Ever heard of and seen pictures of a rain forest?

Back to biology class for you!

But seriously... the idea of composting originated in mimicking the natural process, that breaks down materials, increases living organisms in the soil, and leads to broken down matter RICH in Humic Acid.

In a climax forest or rain forest, the forest floor is one giant compost heap! In it you will find the richest soil on earth.

This is a dangerous thing we are doing. Chemicals with antifungal properties are being overused, Glyphosate is a strong antifungal chemistry and is used as a preharvest spray on oll grains. The thing with the method of action of glyphosate is that it can alter all mitochondria, not just fungi. That is why it is classified as a probable Carcinogen, it can assist genetic mutations. It can help cancer to spread or help microbes to mutate sometimes. It is everywhere in our environment since around 2012 when they boosted it's acceptable use as a preharvest treatment of all commercial grains in the USA.

Pesticides also have some antimicrobial activity most times. They can lead to the killing of some of the microbes that are harmless and are symbiotic in the soils which keep bad bacteria at bay some times. So the bad bacteria can actually overpopulate and cause resistance to the antibiotics we use. Remember, even plants have some antibiotic properties, if these bacteria and fungi mutate, they will be able to eat living plants and that will turn the world into a wasteland, like mars.

Just because science says that these things are safe because they pass the specific tests they say are relevant, does not mean they are safe. These chemical companies look the other way if it interferes with their profits. The agencies that govern these companies get much of their income from the companies here in America. They gain funding if more chemistry is created, and no longer test much of the approved chemistry themselves. This inadequate behavior is acceptable by both the Democrats and Liberals, all receive campaign money from these big chemical companies. Neither is it a conservative or liberal issue, both sides believe the improperly derived evidence because they cannot see how parameters of the research are too narrow. So, it is not political at all. It is a society problem.

This issue is way more important than the stupid climate change global warming carbon issues they are concentrating on. They are throwing a veil over our eyes to make us believe something that is a little important is the most important thing. Yes, wasting fossil fuels is not good, but destroying the earths ability to repair the ecosystem is way more important. I would say this wild weather is the wrath of mother nature for disrespecting our responsibility of properly taking care of this garden of eden that was given to us to safeguard. We are supposed to be stewards of the environment, not destroy it with science.

a reply to: Malak777

What do you think topsoil is, it is compost heaps. I thought everyone understood that, it is the most basic of all farming knowledge, Very few plants can use sand to grow on, dandilions and potatoes actually create adequate amounts of enzymes to disolve crystals to gain the nutrients in sand and rock. Some trees can also grow on pure rock.

a reply to: Malak777

Yes, there are compost heaps in nature, its how soil is made.

The problem is the chemical compounds. Just like anti bacterial soaps etc...helped spurn super bacteria.

Over-all, its frightening, but we as a species haved helped this along. We need composting en masse, or we will lose what little is left of our topsoil.

Damned if ya do, damned if ya dont. Population problem should be taken care of soon.

If we can think outside the box with big commercial farming design, such as using vertical farming, then perhaps we can reintroduce companion planting which would then, hopefully, eliminate the need for pesticides and herbicides.

Companion planting techniques are a large part of the legacy knowledge passed down through the generations. Recent research is beginning to show support for the empirical knowledge. Sunflowers have been shown to reduce thrips problems in peppers (SARE Project Number: FSOI-140). Companion crops have shown statistically significant control of cucumber beetles in cucurbits (SARE Project Number: LS01-127). We have our own (non-scientific) research and observation that tell us bean and potatoes, brassica and allium, tomato and basil, borage, zinnia and melons are all good companions for various reasons. Companion plants can be another cash crop, a trap crop, or a host crop. Benefits can take the form of pest control through masking, repellant or attractant properties. Other benefits may be through beneficial chemical sharing or the ability of one crop to be a nurse crop for another. Some benefits may be as simple as providing a natural wind block for a crop that is more susceptible to strong winds. Regardless of direct companion planting benefits, a diverse and complimentary system leads to healthier growing conditions that do not require additional inputs.

projects.sare.org...

a reply to: Malak777

Intersting timing for this thread...

Super fungi "Candida Auris" origins are not from farmland but from Antarctic ice core samples sent to the ISS to test its reaction in space. Its reaction was to fiendishly reproduce in and out of the ISS and onto the exterior and then flourish in our atmosphere and onto potentially everything on Earth. It settled into a host with a weakened immune system and gorges on the sugar found in the body. Hosts mortality rate is appx. 47%.

Although I have been monitoring this fungi for years, WDIM released an article about it in detail.

www.whatdoesitmean.com...

originally posted by: Malak777


No, there are NO COMPOST HEAPS IN NATURE. The biggest pile will be animal dung - elephant dung perhaps, but they never poo in the same place in the wild so only one poo to deal with at a time in any one location.

Many animals create dung heaps in one place and is called a dung midden. It's a form of territorial marking.
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