Doesn't it mean there is no such thing as space?

If there is matter, dark matter, and dark energy, then doesn't that technically mean there is no such thing as space?

Outer space, also simply called space, refers to the relatively empty regions of the universe outside the atmospheres of celestial bodies. Outer space is used to distinguish it from airspace (and terrestrial locations).

a reply to: Claymation213

Spooky action at a distance may meen space as we know it is an illusion.

a reply to: Claymation213

No.

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originally posted by: Claymation213
If there is matter, dark matter, and dark energy, then doesn't that technically mean there is no such thing as space?

Outer space, also simply called space, refers to the relatively empty regions of the universe outside the atmospheres of celestial bodies. Outer space is used to distinguish it from airspace (and terrestrial locations).

You could just look at the definition of space.

Google space definition,

that should explain it,

if not, below that on the google search page there should be more questions suggested like what is space in the universe.

the dimensions of height, depth, and width within which all things exist and move.

What is space in universe? The Universe is all of space and time and their contents, including planets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of matter and energy. While the spatial size of the entire Universe is still unknown, it is possible to measure the observable universe.

These are from google searching space definition.

Hope that helps your inquiring mind

originally posted by: Claymation213
If there is matter, dark matter, and dark energy, then doesn't that technically mean there is no such thing as space?

Outer space, also simply called space, refers to the relatively empty regions of the universe outside the atmospheres of celestial bodies. Outer space is used to distinguish it from airspace (and terrestrial locations).

At some point more energy is going into the acceleration of the expansion of the Universe than exists in the Universe. And if nothing stops the acceleration at some point the expansion will be traveling at or near the speed of light.

What would you call it then? Outer-filling?

a reply to: Claymation213

I think the word we ascribe to the universe and eternity is not at all helpful. We have outgrown it in terms of perception and rendered it almost an illusion as a singular word definition of the universe.

It might be that there is nowhere in eternity that is completely empty of matter. That is more likely than there only being one cluster of matter in just one unmeasurably small less than a speck location of eternity. The whole universe compared to eternity would be a billion billion billion ad infinutum smaller size than a quark relatively. Eternity is quite clearly always there and always has been there. That is why I am able to remain physics related yet believe in a Creator. Eternity exists so an eternal intelligence is just as possible. Eternity is so crazy and incredible that it is more magical than anything else imaginable in eternity.

For me the concept of dimension makes it easier to accept the reality of eternity. I can only make sense of it as the programmer makes sense of the two dimensional image of thought, light and sound from written coding of electron behavior. That makes it a credible option that our matter could be the result of program creation that looks as different as code does to our own invented digital 2d Matrix, with only the illusion of 3d.

G-D saw that the light was good. Maybe out of light comes all matter initially? I think the light is a program and the formations matter assumes are the combinations the material that was first projected as light has been able to diversify in. In another dimension (heaven) this was all coded and light is the manifestation of the coding, with every instruction accounted for in its initial structure as light. Yes, light is the mother of matter.

Jesus said that He had gone to prepare a place. He basically said that He was going back to the other dimension to design something new if we interpret Him according to out modern perception. This would make sense as The Father letting the Son design the next dimension. The Bible even ends with the creation of a new heaven and new earth and the old one burning up in fire. Jesus gone to prepare a place, new heaven and new earth, just putting it all together.

I am able to weave my Judeo perception of creation and divine intelligence into every modern perception of physics. I do not find any agrgument between what the Bible, physics and evolution presents. Science seems always the proof the Bible age should not have had any perception of, but did have.

Space is a perception. What is the area between two atoms (there is a HUGE distance compared to their size in the molecular RELATIONSHIP)? What is the area between two code instructions? It is the same exact existing state of never ending eternity that hosts every "thought" and manifestation that we in this dimension call matter. Might our information be neurons fired from a brain in who we reside as a thought? Ever "thought" about that? Might we be but a thought of an eternal brain, a neuron of light on a journey in an eternal mind. We are G-D's image, an imagination quite literally perhaps?

The Bible hints that in the end we shall understand the context of G-D and eternity and that the Spirit of the Creator and His Son he desired to have will live on the new earth in a new dimension among us for eternity. In HIS imagination might He have willed that this particular dimension and our earth be frowned upon a little that it can't live up to what the Creator truly wants, that is an eternity of being respected as the authority of HIS own painting. Perhaps we are copyright Elohim© (insert date here, but it has no meaning in eternity - a day might as well be a thousand years).

Physics is my religion too - no problem!

In terms of perspective might the closeness of Mars to Earth be lots and lots nearer than the closeness of atoms in a molecule, RELATIVELY? That we thrust two atoms together so quickly over such huge distances RELATIVELY speaking creates the kind of energy release we know only too well. That makes the spooky activity easily feasible as a RELATIONSHIP, particles RELATING to eachother over huge distances because they are in some kind of material RELATIONSHIP, just one we have not understood yet, BUT HAVE OBSERVED. In the widest sense the theory of RELATIVITY is the relationship of everything. Spooky activity does not negate the theory of relativity, it confirms it universally. Einstein hit on the right word to describe how all matter RELATES, from humans having RELATIONSHIPS to atoms. We are all pawns in the game of RELATIVITY. We all assume a behavior and attitude as a response to other forms and clusters of matter. The pixels of our atomic structures and how they cluster together according to certain programmed behaviors is the equation that sums up all matter.

That is E=MC2. Einstein defined the RELATIONSHIP of matter as an ordered and programmed behaviour. Yes, indeed he is a genius to be remembered.

originally posted by: bluemooone2
a reply to: Claymation213

Spooky action at a distance may meen space as we know it is an illusion.

Entanglement or spooky action at a distance may mean reality as we know it is an illusion. Consider that within quantum reality, forced entanglement using BECs can produce quantum ER gateways that can compress billions of light years of distance to an infinitely small distance and provide communications between entangled particles in a infinitely small period of time. What you have then is contradictions in distance and temporal frames of reference between two points. This creates a problem in determining the validity of relativistic or absolutes frames of reference as everything is probable until it is expressly forbidden. It's fun stuff to play with :-)

originally posted by: Claymation213
If there is matter, dark matter, and dark energy, then doesn't that technically mean there is no such thing as space?

Outer space, also simply called space, refers to the relatively empty regions of the universe outside the atmospheres of celestial bodies. Outer space is used to distinguish it from airspace (and terrestrial locations).

Bro I really don't understand your question.

Just because matter, dark energy and dark matter (the last two we dont understand, hence the "dark" designation) are things that exist, that means space cant exist? Why?

a reply to: 3n19m470

Just because matter, dark energy and dark matter (the last two we dont understand, hence the "dark" designation) are things that exist, that means space cant exist? Why?

It is called logic failure.

a reply to: Claymation213

What if "space" is simply an "atom" of a much larger space, which in turn is simply an atom of a much larger space, which in turn is simply an atom of a much larger.............mind = blown

a reply to: Malak777

Everything you said made sense. But this Claymation guy has me sooo confused 🤔

a reply to: Claymation213

It's turtles all the way down.

originally posted by: Claymation213
If there is matter, dark matter, and dark energy, then doesn't that technically mean there is no such thing as space?

Outer space, also simply called space, refers to the relatively empty regions of the universe outside the atmospheres of celestial bodies.

It means empty space is not as empty as we once thought, but it's still called space.

originally posted by: 3n19m470
a reply to: Malak777

Everything you said made sense. But this Claymation guy has me sooo confused 🤔

I think Claymation is defining outer space as "complete emptiness". So, as he might argue, if there is always something (a stray atom, particle, dark matter, dark energy, etc.) in any given volume, then that volume can't be "outer space" since it isn't completely empty.

What he doesn't realize is that space -- or space-time -- is a thing. It is not defined as being a region completely devoid of anything. In fact, space requires the presence of particles, virtual particles, energy, etc. in order for it to be what we call space.


There might be places (if "places" is even the right word) outside of our universe that is "nothingness", but frankly we have no way to describe or define nothingness, and we can't really imagine such a concept. Virtual particles can pop into existence in the space-time of our universe, but (as far as we know) there is no way for a particle that obeys the physics of our universe to pop into existence in a hypothetical "nothingness" outside our universe.

... and now we need strange dark matter moving at relativistic speed...

For when your mathematics don't work out unless you add coefficients or constants based on an idea about something we've never directly observed.

-Dark Matter - explaining gaps in our astronomical knowledge since 1957
-Dark Energy - for when those gaps in our knowledge have gaps of knowledge within them