Barbra Streisand says Jackson’s “Sexual Needs Were His Sexual Needs” In Interview

a reply to: bender151

What?
So it doesn't matter that because a lie was spotted in the documentary it was cut?

Wade Robson is a liar.

a reply to: Grambler

I'm watching the profanity laced videos now, so I assume you're on HBO GO.

IOW, she doesn't know what she's talking about. She doesn't know if he did or didn't. She just has an unpopular opinion about it.

Personally, I tend to think that where there's smoke, there might be fire but in the case of a celeb, all bets are off. These people might be gold diggers or they might just be insane. Who knows?

a reply to: shawmanfromny

So according to Barbara Streisand molesting kids is cool as long as they don't die and they end up getting married and having kids after?

Seems reasonable....

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: Grambler

I'm watching the profanity laced videos now, so I assume you're on HBO GO.

Nope don’t have it

The burden of proof is in those saying mj was a pedo

I saw a review of the movie showing how it didn’t have evidence

Feel free to post what you want from the movie that you think proves mj is a pedo

a reply to: Itisnowagain

So, your logic is that a rapist rapes every woman he knows or sees?

a reply to: Grambler

Evidence shows they were able to identify vitiligo markings on his penis. His secret closet and what it contained, he bought kids wedding rings... like, actually described them as wedding rings. He would move on to younger kids as other kids got older. What would be acceptable to you is the real question.

a reply to: bender151

Jordan Chandler said mj was circumcised....... he was not circumcised.

a reply to: bender151

That is not true

They description of his penis was deemed by the court to not be accurate

There is no proof he bought the kids wedding rings other than the accusers word

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

Prove it. The man was under FBI surveillance for over a decade, raided his home TWICE, and they didn't find ONE shred of evidence leading them to believe he had any sort of sexual attraction to children. In fact, they found mounds of heterosexual porn, and lots of user names to porn sites, all heterosexual, and not to mention, the FBI didn't find anything, they even just handed the nothing case to the sheriffs department which they release, but OOPS no one cared at that point.

Stop reading lies.

No way to know without proof either way but those things are not proof either. Many pediphiles use porn to reach boys.

Another boy, Jason Francia, whose mother worked as a housekeeper for Jackson, testified under oath that he was molested by Jackson, bringing to five the number of young men who’ve sworn that Jackson showed them pornography, masturbated them, or introduced them to sex when they were between the ages of 7 and 12.

www.vanityfair.com...

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: bender151

That is not true

They description of his penis was deemed by the court to not be accurate

There is no proof he bought the kids wedding rings other than the accusers word

So these things did not pan out in court? I have never looked into it deeply.

10 Undeniable Facts About the Michael Jackson Sexual-Abuse Allegations

1. There is no dispute that, at age 34, Michael Jackson slept more than 30 nights in a row in the same bed with 13-year-old Jordie Chandler at the boy’s house with Chandler’s mother present. He also slept in the same bed with Jordie Chandler at Chandler’s father’s house. The parents were divorced.

2. So far, five boys Michael Jackson shared beds with have accused him of abuse: Jordie Chandler, Jason Francia, Gavin Arvizo, Wade Robson, and Jimmy Safechuck. Jackson had the same nickname for Chandler and Arvizo: “Rubba.” He called Robson “Little One” and Safechuck “Applehead.”

3. Jackson paid $25 million to settle the Chandlers’ lawsuit, with $18 million going to Jordie, $2.5 million to each of the parents, and the rest to lawyers. Jackson said he paid that sum to avoid something “long and drawn out.” Francia also received $2.4 million from Jackson.

4. Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings.

5. The hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom was a serious security zone covered by video and wired for sound so that the steps of anyone approaching would make ding-dong sounds.

6. Jackson had an extensive collection of adult erotic material he kept in a suitcase next to his bed, including S&M bondage photos and a study of naked boys. Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson’s on the same pages. Jackson also had bondage sculptures of women with ball gags in their mouths on his desk, in full view of the boys who slept there.

7. According to the Neverland staff interviewed by the Santa Barbara authorities, no one ever saw or knew of a woman spending the night with Michael Jackson, including his two spouses, Debbie Rowe or Lisa Marie Presley. Rowe, the mother of two of Jackson’s children, made it clear to the Santa Barbara authorities that she never had sex with Jackson.

8. The parents of boys Jackson shared beds with were courted assiduously and given myriad expensive gifts. Wade Robson’s mother testified in the 2005 trial that she funneled wages through Jackson’s company and was given a permanent resident visa. Jimmy Safechuck’s parents got a house. Jordie Chandler’s mother got a diamond bracelet.

9. Two of the fathers of those who have accused Jackson, Jordie Chandler and Wade Robson, committed suicide. Both were estranged from their sons at the time. 10. In a 2002 documentary, Living with Michael Jackson, Jackson told Martin Bashir there was nothing wrong with sharing his bed with boys.

CORRECTION: Due to an editing error, an earlier version of this story misidentified the father of one of Jackson’s accusers. Wade Robson’s father, not Jimmy Safechuck’s, committed suicide. We regret the error.

www.vanityfair.com...

a reply to: shawmanfromny

What Streisand seems to be saying is what we are all being taught by adds, movies, new laws and so forth. We are to let anyone do as they will.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Right out of the gate #4 is a lie

The court ruled the description of the penis was inaccurate

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: SeaWorthy

Right out of the gate #4 is a lie

The court ruled the description of the penis was inaccurate

Did they use lie detection on these guys at all?
I would bet now they have ways that are accurate I wonder why we never hear of them using them.

a reply to: Grambler

I watched both videos and I see the discrepancies, but I still think you need to watch the movie when available. There are answers to his rebuttal in the films entirety. He picks a scene and has a tirade that has an answer in another scene. There is too much to go over back and forth here. They explain why they lied for him, he groomed these children from an early age, they would have said anything for Michael. They describe how his defense team prepped them for cross examination and how they love him and knew he wouldn't last in prison, so they weren't about to help send him there.

I grew up in the Jackson era, I love his music, he was a dancing phenom, but it wouldn't surprise me he had a sexual attraction toward children. Anyone can have evil tendencies and outlets, and I expect the King of Pop is no different.
We have teachers and priest getting caught in indecent activities in what seems like a monthly occurrence, but oh no, we cannot tarnish the King of Pop image with such banter. He has only been accused 5 times and has the best defense teams money can buy.

How many accusers did it take before you were like "Oh, there might actually be something to this Cosby thing other than a cash grab"?

I guess we will see when HBO and The Jackson's get their day in court.

a reply to: annoyedpharmacist

ONLY if they are progressives.

a reply to: bender151

Timeline being wrong matters.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

It's very possible he did. Several accusers are proven liars though. It has nothing to do with Barb saying it's ok if he molested children, it doesn't matter if he did or did not, the idea she thinks it's fine if he did is horrifying.

a reply to: bender151

False. The child who "identified marks" was wrong on every single mark except 1 which was "similar" to what he said, and the child said MJ was circumcised, he was not.

It would be like me saying I was robbed by a black guy with dreadlocks and blond hair, and you arresting a white guy with deadlocks and blond hair and saying the guy matches my description.

Did MJ do it, no idea. His marks were never identified, it was a lie by the prosecution and was thus thrown out in court.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

One of them got 23 million after it being 100% proven the boy lied. So a few people making claims for a payday is not at all unexpected. The vanity fair article is 100% proven a lie and they were one of the first to jump on board the MJ is guilty bandwagon iirc.

As a discloser I was in high school at this time and absolutely believed he did it, I still think it more likely than not. There is no evidence of it though, and no accuser has been shown to be reliable.