Another 737 MAX-8 down

That sounds like a departure stall. Pretty similar to the Lion Air crash.

a reply to: Zaphod58

a reply to: 1947boomer

It might have been. With them reporting a problem and possibly being on fire though..

Ethiopian has followed China's example and grounded their remaining Max aircraft. Boeing has also postponed the scheduled rollout of the 777X as a result of the crash.

Cayman Airways grounded both their aircraft, and the DGCA is expected to make an announcement later, but has sought information from Spicejet, Jet Airways, and Boeing about the aircraft and operations.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Wow, that was fairly quick. They must know more than they are telling, I would assume.
Do you think Boing knew that they had a potential design flaw after the Lion crash? The fire does not seem to follow that scenario, but who knows.

a reply to: charlyv

There are similarities between the two accidents, and with both being brand new aircraft, and both accidents coming in less than 6 months, the decision was made to be cautious instead of risking another accident.

It's far too soon to speculate on if this is a design issue or something else.

A Greek man was supposed to be on board, but arrived at the gate two minutes after the doors closed. He was upset that no one at the airport helped him get to the gate on time.

Given the reports of fire, Do these aircraft have the same or similar Li-on batteries to those that caused the problems on the 787?

a reply to: solidshot

The aircraft itself isn't powered by them, but some devices on board are.

The Israeli Ambassador to South Sudan said the plane had an engine issue when he flew on it on Thursday.

www.timesofisrael.com...

a reply to: mightmight

Reports of intact "paper" debris at the crash site doesn't seem to fit the witness accounts of "fire"?
A problem with the engine on Thursday?
There was one signature that looked interesting.

a reply to: Slichter

There's always paper and light debris left. Being on fire doesn't mean that everything burned.

Indonesia grounded their aircraft. Both recorders have been found.

There were 22 people associated with the UN on board. They ranged from students, to scientists.

Boeing issued a statement that they have no plans at this time to issue further directives about the aircraft. They are working with investigators to helo figure out the cause. The FAA and EASA have also not issued any directives.

Boeing stock is heading for its worst day since trading resumed after 9/11.

www.timesofisrael.com...
The Israeli emergency-response group ZAKA said it would be sending a delegation to the site of the crash at midnight “in order to locate and identify the Israeli victims, to collect their remains in keeping with Jewish law and ensure a full Jewish burial."

How exactly can they distinguish between a jewish bit of charred flesh, and a non-jewish bit of charred flesh?

a reply to: starviego

They'll have to go through the identification process.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: charlyv

There are similarities between the two accidents, and with both being brand new aircraft, and both accidents coming in less than 6 months, the decision was made to be cautious instead of risking another accident.

It's far too soon to speculate on if this is a design issue or something else.

A Greek man was supposed to be on board, but arrived at the gate two minutes after the doors closed. He was upset that no one at the airport helped him get to the gate on time.

then the cops took him aside and told him to thank god he WASN''T on that plane it had just crashed...but they had to question hi m since he was the ONLY one not on the plane....a model she got on the [lane and he more begged her not to take the flight she had a really bad feeling....

It's starting to sound like a device may have gotten on board. Witnesses are describing a strange sound they've never heard from a plane, despite living under a flight path, as well as white smoke and debris trailing behind the aircraft before impact.

Source

a reply to: Zaphod58

So there may have been a good reason for the US to issue that security alert?

MANPAD?

a reply to: RexKramerPRT

It's still speculative at this point, but there may have been, yes.


a reply to: RadioRobert

A real possibility.

originally posted by: starviego

How exactly can they distinguish between a jewish bit of charred flesh, and a non-jewish bit of charred flesh?

DNA testing, Dental records, depending on the circumstance. It's quite literally a human puzzle.
They've got a lot of experience...

a reply to: Zaphod58


They were on their way to a UN conference on plastic waste.

The conference opened up today with a moment silence. The goal is to sign a world wide accord to do something about single use plastic waste (reduction and consumption) by 2030. They said this truly has to be a world-wide effort.

phys.org - Plastic in crosshairs at UN environment forum.

Sorry for the victims and the whole fleet being grounded. There were 80 planes (MAX 737) in the air when the grounding was ordered according to Quartz.com (didn't read the article, just saw the headline).