Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: celltypespecific

So despite your claim to be a scientist. You are either incapable or too lazy to attempt to make the calculations Arbi challenged you to try for yourself? And you also don't agree that a balloon could be something unidentified?

Don't be embarrassed it happens to the beast of people.....

Agreed... I am way too lazy...

Lets be patient folks....

All will be revealed soon.

Happy Friday!!

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: Willtell
Right, and I appreciate that. So given that stance, it seems a little surprising to me you would use the word "sober" for TTSA even in relative terms, that's all I was saying.

I don’t want to belabor this point, it's not that vital.

But if you look at my original post I mentioned screwball ufologist with obviously false theories.

So, in comparison to them I was I saying TTSA is sober. I stick by that analysis.

Sobriety doesn’t necessarily equal honesty. It merely implies a conservative or non-controversial view of the UFO events in question.

So, if I say on viewing a UFO: it means their coming to create a conspiracy to kill us, over a more “sober” view, that it may merely be unidentified; that is a sober view of the event in comparison to the former view.

Indeed, however wild TDL theories have been and dishonest TTSA has been on many issues, some in TTSA have in public expressed their more sober views on ufology such as even Zondo and Chris Mellon who have said they don’t want to get lost in the exotic theories about aliens and wish to stick to the science.

I view that as a sober view in itself. I could have used the word conservative.

If they are deceitful about certain matters it doesn’t necessarily reflect on their sober views about UFOs and aliens in general.

I wouldn’t equate the videos with the crazy theories of the kind I mentioned, even though I don’t think much of them. They're not suggesting these UFO or UAP events are aliens coming to drown us.

In other news, this Kiviat lawsuit - which is still a thing apparently - sounds like an absolute #show and includes many of our usual suspects like Pandolfi, Green, Firmage, Putoff, etc.

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When Daily World asked Marriott about his involvement with Firmage and Pandolfi he played coy in every communication we had, denied really knowing Pandolfi well, then said to me on June 5, 2019: “The biggest void today circling around the Firmage stuff is the real role of Pandolfi. We don’t know if he’s the Wizard Of Oz or the Puppet Master with Firmage or what the heck he is. And he’s become the big question mark in our minds. Now the other guys like [Hal] Puthoff and [former CIA Scientist Kit] Green and those other guys, I’ve never even met them, I don’t even know them. What I’ve heard about them isn’t very good.”

Pandolfi and his wife claim to be using drones to monitor Snow Leopard populations and other wildlife along the border of Pakistan and India. Price and others are now providing data leads that this ‘enterprise’ may in fact be a CIA ‘encouraged’ effort to essentially spy on this region without having to bother with paperwork, transparency nor accountability through official channels.

I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell they will get Pandolfi on the stand but this certainly gave me a chuckle:

Pandolfi is expected to be grilled about his past decades long interactions and disinfo ops he has deliberately spread among UFO researchers, data Whistleblower Paul Price will divulge in detail while on the witness stand. His evidence consists of recordings of Pandolfi destroying his own credibility, countless documents, phone records, you name it. Price is bent on proving Pandolfi has engaged in and has shown a consistent, calculating pattern of fraud for many years dating back to the era of President Bill Clinton when he targeted many supposed members of a largely mythical, loosely connected group of government associated UFO researchers dubbed the “Aviary.” To support these and other allegations against him, Pandolfi will be confronted with various documents he has unquestionably at least co-authored over the years, with Price and others testifying under oath about their legitimacy.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: Willtell
Right, and I appreciate that. So given that stance, it seems a little surprising to me you would use the word "sober" for TTSA even in relative terms, that's all I was saying.

I don’t want to belabor this point, it's not that vital.

But if you look at my original post I mentioned screwball ufologist with obviously false theories.

So, in comparison to them I was I saying TTSA is sober. I stick by that analysis.

Sobriety doesn’t necessarily equal honesty. It merely implies a conservative or non-controversial view of the UFO events in question.

So, if I say on viewing a UFO: it means their coming to create a conspiracy to kill us, over a more “sober” view, that it may merely be unidentified; that is a sober view of the event in comparison to the former view.

Indeed, however wild TDL theories have been and dishonest TTSA has been on many issues, some in TTSA have in public expressed their more sober views on ufology such as even Zondo and Chris Mellon who have said they don’t want to get lost in the exotic theories about aliens and wish to stick to the science.

I view that as a sober view in itself. I could have used the word conservative.

If they are deceitful about certain matters it doesn’t necessarily reflect on their sober views about UFOs and aliens in general.

I wouldn’t equate the videos with the crazy theories of the kind I mentioned, even though I don’t think much of them. They're not suggesting these UFO or UAP events are aliens coming to drown us.

The narrative in the above lawsuit seems to be that Pandolfi is the big bad behind the last 30+ years of UFO disinformation and everyone else is just a victim. A little too convenient.

a reply to: coursecatalog
Agreed the easiest thing would be to scapegoat him an leave everyone else unscathed. However it also sets precedent/opens the door to finally call some of these guys on the carpet for years of deliberate misinformation.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Willtell

The thing people never check and miss is that the The National Security Act of 1947 was first introduced on March 3rd 1947 to the Senate, signed into law in July of 1947 and effective from Sept 1947. This would reorganise the military after WWII including the creation of the CIA etc. So with Roswell still being around 3 months after the bill's introduction whatever happened there is largely irrelevant to the formation of the CIA and NSA.

TLDR - Roswell was not the cause for the formation of the CIA and NSA.

Whoever created those Majestic documents certainly had a lot of time and resources to do so. But they contain various historical errors in them. Many point a finger at international man of mischief Rick Doty. But it's interesting that Robert Wood has promoted many of the documents as being genuine in the past (see this pdf). He's another aerospace guy (from McDonnell Douglas) and was part of the The Advanced Theoretical Physics Working Group way back in 1985.

That may not be where this long story even began. But it's certainly a point where the justified and ancient assets of the US National Security State first boarded that bus together and and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.

Without really being able to think of any new ones it would seem....

- New Physics Application aka Black Projects

"It is ironic that the U.S. would begin a devastating war, allegedly in search of weapons of mass destruction when the most worrisome developments in this field are occurring in your own backyard. It is ironic that the U.S. should be fighting monstrously expensive wars allegedly to bring democracy to those countries, when it itself can no longer claim to be called a democracy when trillions, and I mean thousands of billions of dollars have been spent on projects which both Congress and the Commander-in-Chief know nothing about."

NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Confirms 'Black Projects' Within US Government

PROOF OF BLACK PROJECTS? Stunning 'TR-3B triangle UFO filmed on dashcam'

That would be fun to see the years of denial, on paper with signatures and as official gov operation. I really doubt this will see the daylight. I don't know much about the US law but the whole process will most likely get classification.

Celltypespecific,

Your unbridled optimism is admirable, but the last time I saw that much faith and optimism being put into disclosure was by Clay and shawn Pickering and the source A debacle.

Nods and winks are a sign of deception and not benevolent favours; fortunately many here are steeped in age and cynicism and won't fall for it.

You have given more nods and winks than a John Cleese performance.

John Carpenter - UFO abductee hypnotherapist:



Just found out he sold all his controversial (and confidential) regression session casefiles to Robert Bigelow.

Lots of his clients not happy.

Thought it deserved a post on this thread.

People get hung up on the UAP term in regard to the nimitz and other sightings, in reality the term was borrowed from the UK Ministry Of Defense.

The term UAP was used in "The Condign Report", Key points to emerge from the MoD report on UAPs;

UAPs exist but they are not space ships. They are natural, atmospheric and other phenomena, some of which are not fully understood.

Although extremely rare, UAPs may pose a hazard to air traffic.

No evidence for the existence of solid objects was found by the study but some natural phenomena, such as plasmas, could be dangerous to aircraft particularly those flying low and fast (a risk assessed as being lower than bird strikes).

UAPs do not pose a threat to UK airspace, and there is no evidence they are aircraft from hostile nations.

Despite claims of an international UFO cover-up, there has been absolutely no collaboration between UK and other countries on the subject of UAPs.

Some UAPs may represent over-flying military black projects from friendly powers.There are no artefacts left by UAPs, or radiation traces, or any useful video or still camera photos held by MoD.

MoD is keenly interested in research by scientists in the former Soviet Union into UAPs and their possible military applications.One outcome of the study was a recommendation that further research should be carried out into the possible military applications of plasma-type phenomena, such as battlefield weapons and decoys.

The MoD relied upon poor quality data (single page UFO report forms) for their raw data for the study and were not allowed to interview witnesses. The limitations of scientific evaluation based on such poor data are acknowledged.

The study identified definitive links between clusters of UAP reports and meteor showers.

Source
Now whilst I dont agree with all points here, it's alot more likely than "an alien threat" that most want it to be.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Good post Pigsy, there are also claims that the term was in use much earlier.

In the same section, reference is made to the term 'UAP', suggesting that it was coined exclusively for the production of the Condign report. I have seen similar claims by Nick elsewhere, but I have come across the term sporadically in much earlier documents from the MoD, the earliest which I have come across was dated 27th November 1964 and can be viewed at: www.uk-ufo.org...

I am sure that as the wholesale release of DAS and DI55 files progresses, many more examples of the use of the term 'UAP' will emerge. Would you care to expand on that, Nick?

ufoupdateslist.com...

Cheers.

a reply to: karl 12

ufotrail.blogspot.com...

originally posted by: Shere Khaan
Celltypespecific,

Your unbridled optimism is admirable, but the last time I saw that much faith and optimism being put into disclosure was by Clay and shawn Pickering and the source A debacle.

Nods and winks are a sign of deception and not benevolent favours; fortunately many here are steeped in age and cynicism and won't fall for it.

You have given more nods and winks than a John Cleese performance.

It doesn’t have to be cynical completely just what I call seasoned in the lore of ufology’s history which breeds healthy skepticism.

One doesn’t have to be a walking encyclopedia of events therein just knowledgeable enough about not only ufo history but human nature.

With both, there’s the good, the bad, and ugly

2=3

originally posted by: Shere Khaan
Celltypespecific,

Your unbridled optimism is admirable, but the last time I saw that much faith and optimism being put into disclosure was by Clay and shawn Pickering and the source A debacle.

Nods and winks are a sign of deception and not benevolent favours; fortunately many here are steeped in age and cynicism and won't fall for it.
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You have given more nods and winks than a John Cleese performance.

And your cynicism is warranted....but also remember these are the same folks who persecuted and ridiculed thefinaltheory from this very website...the individual who leaked the original Tic-Tac video back in 2007.

What I have been saying for the several months:

a reply to: celltypespecific

Tommy long legs likes time travel. I can't wait to see what the future brings.

a reply to: celltypespecific

It seems to me most of TTSAs fans are interested in the UFO part of TTSA

I don’t really know is the entertainment and science part doing anything?

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: celltypespecific

It seems to me most of TTSAs fans are interested in the UFO part of TTSA

I don’t really know is the entertainment and science part doing anything?

Yes they are pissed/confused by this statement....

originally posted by: celltypespecific
What I have been saying for the several months:

Hardly

It's a matter of ATS record.

You folks would still scream "disinformation"...or find some conspiracy to explain away the fact that we are being visited by UAP's and like it or not TTSA played a significant role in informing the public.

TTSA has many many cases that they will reveal over the course of the year. The second case that's currently being investigated is the "GIMBAL" case on the east coast. More pilots going on the record.

FACT...TTSA has moved the field of ufology forward more than any other ufologist group has done in the past 20 years.

Think about it..the TTSA members are very established individuals that are already financially well off.....why risk it associating ones self with "crazy ufo group" if it was not important. Additionally, alot easier ways to make money than being apart of TTSA...

I don't understand the hate for TTSA....THEY HAVE MOVED THE FIELD OF UFOLOGY FORWARD!!

I have a pretty strong scientific background/training and am the recipient of multiple federal grants. Thus I am not your average clueless american.

No you aren't average...but.....you said about Uniformed : Tom and Lue do UFOs.....

....This was the best UFO/UAP Doc. bar-none. I predict an several emmys for this series!

Its pretty evident what TTSA is up to....they simply want to educate the mainstream about the existence of UAPs. If this is not there[sic] purpose I would love to be enlightened.

TTSA is doing a good service by moving the field of UFOlogy forward.

I am still excited about the potential for TTSA to bring forth additional videos, pilot testimony, congressional hearings, etc. That's why I am highly interested in there[sic] platform

This was very poor showing for TTSA.....after that intercept piece ....they are slowly coming apart...

Be patient piggy... Documents will be released shortly proving Lue was the director (this is a distraction).

Still waiting six months later dude!

Here is your reward .. FROM TDL.....:

"What if I was briefed by Italian Intelligence that a UFO shot a military helicopter out of the sky... AND- there are pics of the UFO chasing the helicopter along with a formal Italian Intel report. AND- what if it’s all on the next 2 episodes of my show UNIDENTIFIED on HISTORY CHANNEL for you to see. Airing next week... would that be of interest to you?"

"The TTSA team and the future Potus stand proudly outside of a hangar beside a levitating craft in front of the world's media.

Is it still a psy-op?

Alex Rojas....confirmed that there is already a [Uninformed] season2 in the works..... Its a pretty good interview with Nick pope

So why are TTSA producing UFO TV shows?

posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 18:23

This is a very important forum/thread...once disclosure breaks (in the next four months) this site will be filled with individuals looking for answers and I believe the minds gathered here are in an excellent position to provide guidance.

Past it's sell by date dude. You need to burrow that hole in Wimbledon Common because I can rub your ruddy red face(s) further into the rubbish if you want........and you are full of it.....