Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: The GUT

lol...

"The Freaks of ATS"...
Not too popular, it would seem, with the high and mighty..

The level of infantility in evidence is almost unbelievable...

NM

a reply to: 1ofthe9

That computer had to:
- Send / Receive Wireless packet radio signals
- Had to have a database table of word replacements if it worked as Greg Bishop claimed
- Control of the network layer protocols to control what Paul saw

Now, if you can find a technology for keyword swapping using a database table, an example of a packet radio protocol and wireless NIC card and the appropriate protocols then your augment makes a lot of sense.

can we find examples of them?

One thing that we do have to be careful of with all things in this field and in relation to TTSA as there is a connection;

The people that are involved with TTSA, have been involved with TTSA previously and indeed involved with UFOlogy since the modern era began; these people that have always been at the centre of many UFO stories, angles and events. Doesn't it seem odd how they just seem to "pop-up" everywhere?

People like Puthoff, Jaqcue Vallee, Dr Christopher Green, Jack Sarfatti, John Mack, Gordan Cooper , Purharich, Phillip K Dick and many others all have common links with each other and a very similar genesis of ideas and theories, the original bubbling pot is one and the same even if the individual recipes have changed over the years.

Some are critical of these individuals but some also put these people on a pedestal and at times it seems to develop into what seems like"hero worship", particularly with Jacque Vallee. This can be quite a dangerous mindset to enter as all objectivity then disappears and the bias that people hold as a "fan" of these indivduals seemingly only goes with the theories of these people.

They may be very well educated in terms of numerous degrees and PHds to their name and be successful authors in their own right and have indeed, added some interesting concepts and theories to the field and topic of ufology; I am not denying that at all, I just think that people need to ensure that they don't compromise themselves.

There is no PHd in Ufology nor is it widely recognized as a true and proper scientific endeavor by the wider scientific community, we know this! These individuals that have appeared within this field of research since it began in the modern era are, when looking at this from an outside looking in perspective are nothing more than fringe scientists at best.

We must be careful with the information that we digest and process that is presented by these people, as there is a commonality between them all and I believe their reach goes much beyond of what most people are aware of. Puthoff for example, the whole space time metric stuff, there are papers and interviews going back some 30 yrs with the same theories and concepts by him, is it a lick of fresh paint and all is new again?

People may criticize me for posting a few of the things above, that's fine, I am all for discussion and debate and I don't want to hijack this thread and turn into a bashing session either.

The reason I felt compelled to bring this up, is the influence and ideas these people have had over the years and most recently and still for some of them, within TTSA.

Once we start putting these people, subconsciously or not on a pedestal, you inadvertently elevate them in intellect and knowledge above your own and then...well you are compromising yourself to other peoples narratives and all can be lost at that point.

#StaySafeATS

a reply to: pigsy2400

There are many weird and wonderful connections.

Here is a wonderful timeline detailing the very real connections between some of our cast and the wonderful world of Scientology. I found it absolutely fascinating, although some fact checking must be done, of course.

A timeline of Remote Viewing and Scientology

So many tangled webs...

They are all tied in with the US intelligence community and this sort of thing only happens in the America. We may never know exactly what it was all about before it disappears and collapses due to a "crusade" to destroy the TTSA project by religious fundamentalists or however this will all end. No major news media outlets have ever followed up since December 2017 on TTSA and most of the world don't even know or care about whatever they are up to.

Could they all just be in it for easy money from rich entrepreneurs and the military? We've seen that you can write a paper for the US DoD. Waste a huge amount of space with your references and diagrams in an 88 page pamphlet and make $25k well over a decade ago. Not many book authors make that sort of money!

So besides making entertainment shows, putting out some videos and documents of unclear provenance...what has TTSA's first full year of operations given us?



I know these young guns are amazed at what TTSA have achieved. But they are still making excuses and announcing announcements. Will it ever change?

a reply to: mirageman

Aren't at least some of these guys pretty well off?

At least Mr. Mellon seems to be from a pretty wealthy family.

It seems hard to believe money can be at the center of this, but all is possible I suppose.

And how much money can they really be making, anyway?

a reply to: beetee

We must give these guys ulcers.

a reply to: ctj83

Packet radio was a SRI project during this time frame it seems. Database and NIC I don’t know mcuh aboit feasibility wise.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

Haha.
This was back in 2006, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is still how many view these boards.

And that, dare I say, in spite of our bubbling wit and charming enthusiasm.

Been a while since I read those Serpo Five emails. What comes across to me now is how incredibly shallow everyone seems -Kit Green in particular.

a reply to: mirageman

The young guns are an interesting bunch, but one reason they are possibly in TTSAs eyes is that they are not "Contaminated" by ufology over the decades; the meddling of the intelligence agencies, the hoaxes, the disinformation,, the fake and seemingly impending "disclosure" that's just around the corner which never appears, the arguing and fallout, the fake whistleblowers and compromised ufologists of times gone by.

They have no experience of this and is demonstrated by their approach, they have a use and are mouldable to the aims of TTSA and also part of the "changing the perception of government to the youth" - TDL; Podesta Emails

Whats missing from young guns is criticial thinking and a balanced approach, have they traded up unknowingly? Possibly...or just awestruck at their idols actually talking to them OMG!!!

I would like to see one of them do an unbiased pros and cons approach, but I'm not holding my breath.

In time maybe.....

a reply to: pigsy2400

Don’t apologize for the post you’re just saying the obvious—these guys are the proverbial “usual suspects”

You might add Doty as the number one suspect at every UFO crime scene, from Serpo to Bennewitz to the HBO special that never was and I'm sure many other UFO crimes we never heard of.

I even bet Doty somehow is sniffing around TTSA

And suddenly the caveat is out of the bag.........



Let battle commence...

a reply to: mirageman

Surely this will be settled out of court where he will have to sign a NDA stopping him from discussing anything in relation to the settlement?

I suppose it depends on what his motivations are; money or information? I don't know of him well enough to call that part....

Funny how internasa was going to be backed by a Mormon too, there's a recurring theme....

a reply to: mirageman

I predict somebody is going to sue TTSA for fraud and non-payment of Zondo’s cleaner bills and gas money

a reply to: mirageman

I just chuckled, snorted, followed by a few minutes of girly giggling .

a reply to: Willtell

he definitely is, his random interview with the-unexplained.com is proof of that

a reply to: mirageman

Have you seen his gofundme to assist him fighting Firmage and DolphinBoy? He wants $250,000 in donations to help in the fight for the truth and;

"substantial contracted employment salary arrears InterNASA currently owes me"

I never knew the truth was so expensive....

Since many of us freaks are rather sceptical at this point perhaps it behooves us to give voice to those who view this project in a more positive light.

Sean Cahill has written An Open Letter to the UFO Community on medium.com.

I must admit I found myself strangely unmoved, although Mr. Cahill writes well enough and has some points.

Maybe my freakish, tatterered, dried up mind just cannot soar with the visions of TTSA, and is forever doomed to mutter in the shadow of greater men.

I particularly felt an urge to snarl, gollum-like, when I read this part of Mr. Cahills letter:

In December 2017 the capital “D” Disclosure event everyone was begging for occurred. Cognizant authority in the guise of Luis Elizondo revealed certain key declassified details about The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. That was the moment I saw the greater “UFO” community begin to experience the close-minded cognitive dissonance that plagues our society at large

Obviously, there must be something wrong with those of us who thought disclosure, with a capital "D" no less, was more than a couple of short videos of questionable provenance.

Be still, my shriveled heart.