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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Halfswede
The gay gene is easily disapproved. It has been shown by twin studies alone that there is no rock-solid genetic link. Sure there may be some nebulous genetic factors that might predispose you to it that same way some genes may predispose you to some cancers which is to say a small percentage chance boost that doesn't mean much of anything in the end. Not like the known factors for sickle cell or cystic fibrosis are for example.
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Halfswede
The gay gene is easily disapproved. It has been shown by twin studies alone that there is no rock-solid genetic link. Sure there may be some nebulous genetic factors that might predispose you to it that same way some genes may predispose you to some cancers which is to say a small percentage chance boost that doesn't mean much of anything in the end. Not like the known factors for sickle cell or cystic fibrosis are for example.
I do believe nurture plays a small role in sexual orientation. We see identical twins one gay one straight. So there is no straight forward gene that causes someone to be gay. I did read an interesting article that made the case that the mother's immune system causes the supression of Gene's which could lead to the child being gay.
I remember part of the argument is gay children tend to be the youngest Male in the family. The mother builds up an immunity to males Gene's in her bloodstream and her body attacks them. This is why you rarely have your first Male child become gay. Odds were less than 1 percent but can go as high 20 percent for a second child if the mother has built up antibodies.
originally posted by: Rokal
You cannot change a persons sexuality by just being around them, you sexuality is hard wired into your DNA
“Behind all of this, one senses the unspoken fear that some factor might be found in research that would make it seem possible to change a gay into a straight. They wouldn’t want this. They are happy in their gayness. They don’t want to be straight.
“Lena Hardin, who is coordinator with Mike McConnell of Gay House’s speaking bureau, put it this way: ‘The only advantage to being straight is that you no longer would be different. Other people’s concepts and considerations of you would be altered. And, to tell you the truth, it’s not all that valuable. I still want to be what I am.’”
Notice, no appeal to being ‘born homosexual’. The individuals involved just plainly say: “I still want to be what I am.”
Since a person chooses to be homosexual, it is his thinking that has been affected, urging him to make that sexual preference. Thus an American explains the process by which his reasoning was won over to the homosexual viewpoint: “Homosexuality is the product of very complicated conditioning over an extended period of time . . . [Homosexuals] deliberately go through a brainwashing experience—‘I’m gay and I’m proud. I’m beautiful.’ This is reverse therapy.”
This thinking is at the core of homosexuality and its popularity amongst a growing number of people. One could stop being homosexual only if one no longer thought like a homosexual and no longer had their desires. Then why is it, that even though some may want to change, more do not change?
An interviewer for the Long Island (New York) Press asked a converted homosexual this same question. In answer, the man said:
“In the first place, there’s the widespread belief that it’s impossible. Second, thousands of unhappy homosexuals have no resources to get into expensive therapy. Third, fear of exposure inhibits a lot of men.”
Though many psychiatrists and others have given the impression that a person cannot change, this man’s experience shows otherwise. He admits to knowing six other men who have also changed.
originally posted by: Rokal
Stop being an idiot. You cannot change a straight person gay and vice versa. When these children grow, sure some might be gay, that doesn't mean anything.
Stop fearing gay people and drag queens. One more thing I find people like you are usually the kind of people who hate what they are hiding from the world, is this true with you?
originally posted by: DigitalGhost
jidnum - I grew up surrounded by straight people and I wasn't brainwashed into being heterosexual.I grew up in a culture where every character on TV and in films was straight and I wasn't brainwashed into being a heterosexual. I grew up on a planet where people are killed and imprisoned for being gay and I wasn't brainwashed into being a heterosexual. I think it's safe for gay people to read storybooks to children...
When I was small my mother's second husband used to beat her up in front of her kids. He threw her down the stairs while she was pregnant. He dragged her down the street by her hair, stopping once in a while to knee her in the face. The only person who stepped in to physically defend her was me (I was 8 or 9). He was also neurotic about me growing up to be a "poofter" and he made my life hell. There was barely a day went by without him devising some harebrained scheme to make me more like him (i.e. a heterosexual male) and it didn't work. It's terrifying how many damaging kinds of behaviour straight people expose children to and think nothing of it.
Being gay is a more complicated mindset than you will ever understand. I was born gay, but it was also my choice, and I won't be shamed for either. It's not a lifestyle I'd recommend - at least not for the weak of heart. People will make sweeping generalisations based on your sexuality and they'll do their best to make you feel worthless.
On the other hand, being gay is the ultimate red pill. You're an outsider, even if well intentioned people tell you that you're not. You see how the world really works. You see how our planet rewards compliance and punishes transgression. You see how people thrive on making others feel small and the insidious ways they justify it to themselves. You see that casual cruelty is an integral part of human nature. You come face to face with the mechanism that allows wars, genocide and human rights violations to happen. You also learn to love basic human decency.
I'm surprised to see a thread like this on Above Top Secret. Not because it's peddling thinly veiled, hateful, navel gazing, faux insightful bollocks but because it's massively over simplistic.