How old are you if you move to another planet?

Perhaps time itself has changed over the years. We can calculate and speculate but unless we personally witness eons gone by how would we have all the factors in determining the past.

a reply to: Buvvy

I know right. I went back and read some more. Going to bookmark for future reference.

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: Buvvy

I know right. I went back and read some more. Going to bookmark for future reference.

The link included a reference to the Hafele–Keating experiment where they proved that gravity and velocity impact time. Such a simple elegant experiment.

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
Perhaps time itself has changed over the years. We can calculate and speculate but unless we personally witness eons gone by how would we have all the factors in determining the past.

Data supports that eons ago the earth had different atmospheric conditions (and possibly different/less gravity) which allowed for the existence of much larger life forms. Gravity impacts the rate at which we percieve changes (which currently define as the passage of time).

I think you all might start with Circadian cycles. Humans have evolved on this planets time scale of sun rotations, it is in our genes, we cannot get away from it. It dictates you WILL tire out over a period of time. You WILL need sleep to recover. And the biggest pointer you can have for this (though some might poo poo the idea) is jet lag. You know when you go over your time limit for rest because you either have a longer day or a longer night when flying.
So no matter where you are in the universe you biological body will always be on the 24 hour clock.

The 8+ hour sleep cycle for humans is relatively new and developed after the industrial revoution and expansion of electricity.

Older generations used to work in the fields, eat dinner, sleep, get up for several hours, eat again, sleep. Two different sleeping periods per day were the norm.

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a reply to: Buvvy

If we were ever able to colonize other world's we would likely retain our own time measurement and mix it with a long or a short year secondary calendar based on the new planet's orbit, this would mean we would likely have more than one such birthday, one based on our own life cycle home planet and another on our new home planet, as we expanded further into the cosmos we would likely standardize earth time measurements as our racial standard time frame.

But if we entered and became a part of a wider community of civilization's we may also adopt any universal standard galactic time measurement they used and in time that could also become our own most common reference.

It would also become easier as technology and medicinal science extended our life spans and offered rejuvenation therapy's to effectively slow down or even mitigate natural aging all together, likely only for the rich though even in such a galactic civilization.

Here is a weird thought for you, what if science has it mostly wrong and our consciousness is NOT in our brain - bare with me a little, what if it is a non local consciousness and our brain was merely a biological highly sophisticated quantum computer that acted like an interface for a non local consciousness, oh it may have the program's we see as our personality and mind on it but the consciousness itself may be non local, does time matter then in the same way? or is this quantum soul our real self more alien to our understanding than the most unimaginable alien creature?.
Imagine a ship with thousands upon thousands of people in cryogenic suspension - assuming we ever managed to do that to complex human organism's without the freezing damage mostly associated with the technique AND are able to then re-animate them at there destination.

Would these being's that had been effectively dead for a very long time STILL have there own soul or would they be like a ship load of empty vessel's with no one to take the driving seat?, after all if the soul is non local it has been somewhere else for a very long time and by this time may even be either on a higher or lower plane or driving another body somewhere else?.

OR Weirder what if those body's had NEW consciousness, someone or something else now in the driving seat, some alien or even evil presence?.
Cue sci fi horror novel, call it perhaps something like THE SLEEPERS and instead of coffin's these vampires rose from suspended animation tank's, instead of fang's they had an unseen alien energy that sought out new hosts hungry for more knowledge, for more mind having absorbed the collected mind's of the sleeper's body's turning them into drone's under it's alien control and finding that it was still not enough to satiate it's new appetite so it found a way to return to there original home world dormant but waiting for the body's to once again wake up in the heart of human civilization were it would then seek to spread it's unseen tentacles out consuming more mind's and turning the population into a hive mind controlled race of drone's - but what then would happen when this new soul met the older REAL soul's of humanity, what unseen war would emerge and how would they stop the spread of this quantum infection.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: [post=24162240]Buvvy[/

Here is a weird thought for you, what if science has it mostly wrong and our consciousness is NOT in our brain - bare with me a little, what if it is a non local consciousness and our brain was merely a biological highly sophisticated quantum computer that acted like an interface for a non local consciousness, oh it may have the program's we see as our personality and mind on it but the consciousness itself may be non local, does time matter then in the same way? or is this quantum soul our real self more alien to our understanding than the most unimaginable alien creature?.
Imagine a ship with thousands upon thousands of people in cryogenic suspension - assuming we ever managed to do that to complex human organism's without the freezing damage mostly associated with the technique AND are able to then re-animate them at there destination.

Would these being's that had been effectively dead for a very long time STILL have there own soul or would they be like a ship load of empty vessel's with no one to take the driving seat?, after all if the soul is non local it has been somewhere else for a very long time and by this time may even be either on a higher or lower plane or driving another body somewhere else?.

So following your theory: Lets assume that I am currently abord an interetellar vessel in stasis. What I am experiencing right now is a simulation designed to keep me from going insane during light years of interstellar travel. Odds are even in stasis our brains would need to cycle between “non-waking” and “waking” brainwaves to avoid neural damage. Ya know the old saying “You don’t use it you lose it.” So what happens when This program ends and I die? Does the “life” program that I have just experienced re-boot and start over? Does another program run?

Would “stasis” years add to a person’s wisdom?

a reply to: Buvvy

Sorry for the late reply been elsewhere.

Now the kind of hibernation you are referring to is actually the most likely to be created if we ever do, a slowing down rather than a true stasis but it has a number of potential problem's.

Think how your body deal's with radioactive damage which we endure all the time, the DNA repairs itself BUT if you slow that repair process down even with the best shielding you will actually be in real term's increasing the amount of background radiation damage that the cell nucleus and it's cytoblasts such as Mitochondria (which has it's own DNA) would then be subject to in real term's a severe increase in relative back ground radiation and the damage that can then cause to the cell.

In natural hibernating species cell's are simply slowed but no where near as much as we would need for long duration space flight.

So what I was proposing was a technology we have not yet developed a quantum stasis technology OR a freezing technology which would actually stop ALL cell function and so that would indeed include brain waves, we would also need to perfect a method of shielding the frozen person and there cell's from radiation exposure OVER TIME, so effectively completely isolate them in some kind of field that was impervious to almost all background radiation which we must also remember is far greater in space than it is on our planet with our planets natural magnetosphere.

Now I toyed with some idea's but I am neither a physician nor a physicist so this would need to be born in mind.
It would require some form of nano particles to be embedded throughout the body, these particles would react to a certain frequency and dissipate that through there locality within the body, this would then prevent the formation of ICE crystal's (when you freeze cell's it is not so much the cold as the formation of ICE crystal's that causes the most damage, as crystal's form they grown and pierce cell membranes and disrupt and tear apart the internal structure of the cell) this would then allow the cell to be cooled to BELOW freezing point without actually freezing but would actually not be entering a true state of stasis so this is in fact much more like your idea and there would be at least some cellular activity if very slow so long as it remained above the threshold necessary to allow the cell's chemical and electrical process to continue which it should as there are arctic fish that live in temperatures well below freezing but that use natural anti freezing chemical's in there biology which we lack.
This type of SLOWED metabolism state would be a medical breakthrough as well as a potential use for longer duration space flight, still not suitable for interstellar unless it could be REALLY slowed or we find some method to mix it with a localized time dilation affect of some kind (that would then amplify it's usefulness exponentially) if we are ever able to create one.
Imagine a patient with terminal cancer and you can not do anything for them BUT what if you could slow there entire body down, regrow there organ's from healthy cell's, excise the cancer entirely from there body and replace those part's so affected with replacement's grown from there own cell's then bring them back out of this extremely deep, cold hibernation, even do so locally to the operation site to ensure healing and integration before then slowly raising there temperature, increasing there metabolism and bringing them out while monitoring for shock and side affects.

But the difference is that true stasis - in the absence of a time dilation field which is then not stasis but time dilation or chronological stasis which is a different state to true stasis - is a complete PAUSE of all chemical, biological and electrical functions in a subject, this is currently not possible with our level of science but of course never say never, in that state there would be no brain activity, no dream's.

But in a semi stasis hibernation state indeed you could perhaps with the correct technology TRAIN those in deep sleep by implanting information into there mind's which would still be there but very much slowed down along with there brain cell's.
Would they learn it though or just wake up with a new store of knowledge and then have to integrate it over an following period of time?.

Here is another weird thought.

Let's take a guy from a really alien world, he has a different approach, his body is absorbed by his ship by first being blended to it by nanotechnology (perhaps he simply walks into a wall or sit's on what look's like his races equivalent of a chair) then merged so his mind become's the mind of the ship, the ship's engines are his limb's, it's circuit's his circulation and it's sensor's his senses, when he reaches his destination his body is recreated from the ship as the nanotechnology reconstructs his body molecule by molecule (or perhaps the ship simply morph's back into him and is actually very small - just a device he carries on his belt so this would be a nano technology morphing technology of some kind) and he is then merged back with his body (or his body is de-morphed back into it's alien or humanoid form), the enhances senses of the ship replaced with a sense of touch, sight and hearing, for him wearing the ship is like us putting on a coat or if morphing like combing his hair.

The primary purpose of calendars lies in agrarian society, knowing when to sow. So, unless you're depending on sunlight to produce your food a calendar is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how many days there are in a year so you might as well stick with Earth years. This means that the number of days in that year will vary. Wildly. But you'll still be 64.

a reply to: Phage

Very true, growing season's etc were knowing when to plant your crop's is a matter of life and death, I would argue that to a lesser degree it is still important to hunter gatherers as well though especially when they were semi settled as may have been the case at Catal Huyak (probably spelled that wrong you know the one though in Turkey) were knowing the time of migratory animal's may have once played a part.
There were probably some settled community's like that long before as well, even non agrarian civilization of a sort probably dependent upon fishing as well as hunter gatherer way's of life and perhaps they traded with the more nomadic hunters for there fish in exchange for meat, catal huyak though if I miss my recollection was pretty landlocked and Lepensky Viir (another one probably spelled wrong) was probably a ceremonial site.
Now I would imagine to at least some degree agriculture does indeed go much further back than the standard model as well though, perhaps medicinal herb's were among the first to be cultivated by shaman and witch doctors but since non of us were actually there is pure speculation and guess work even by the expert's whose evidence is still limited.
But what if? the agricultural revolution was IMPORTED to the fertile crescent from somewhere else?, what if there is a whole chapter of forgotten human history we don't know about in Eurasia and central Asia and perhaps even in Eastern Africa the global climate back then was a bit different to what it is today of course.

You know there are bone's with carving's believed to be astronomical in nature dating back ten's of millennia before the fertile crescent as well.