AP Exclusive: Anti-Maduro coalition grew from secret talks

a reply to: DBCowboy

It seems like they are saying we are getting involved for other reasons. I believe this may be correct...as the US government doesn't care about other countries people in similar or worse conditions. I personally think we got further involved and gained the opposition the support of other SA nations because Maduro is letting Russia have a base there. Not to say that is fact or even righteous as we have Russia surrounded ourselves, but if you play to win you want the strong position without giving your rivals any leg up.

a reply to: RickyD

From what I understand (be patient, I'm supposed to be stupid) is that Venezuela just had an election.

It was contested by the Venezuelan Senate.

A provision in the Venezuelan Constitution STATES that the Senate has the authority to appoint someone of their choosing to see to the running of the government until the election results are clarified.

Maduro refused.


Hence, the tensions we now see.

The fact that a war criminal and someone who was behind the Iran/Contra scandal like Elliot Abrahams was named special envoy to Venezuela should be red flags here.

US diplomat convicted over Iran-Contra appointed special envoy for Venezuela

Abrams, a neoconservative, has returned to the centre of the political action over the region like the ghost of administrations past. Even if he was not chosen expressly to haunt Latin America and Congress, the Trump White House clearly does not care if they are spooked.

So much for draining the swamp when the Trump Admin brought in the biggest neoconservative swamp

a reply to: DBCowboy

That is a good cover story, helping the people of Venezuela. Even the oil aspect is a good cover story for interfering there, but in my opinion the real reason the US is meddling is the island of La Orchila.

a reply to: DBCowboy

While that is true, that goes on in other countries and we don't get involved. I will have to go look for some dates, but i think Trump made the remarks about a military option being on the table, which is what won the open support of a handful of other SA nations, after Maduro agreed to let Russia have a base there in return for their support. I see no way on earth the US allows Russia so close or a chance to build influence down there. Especially in a major oil production country in our backyard.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: DBCowboy

That is a good cover story, helping the people of Venezuela. Even the oil aspect is a good cover story for interfering there, but in my opinion the real reason the US is meddling is the island of La Orchila.

*shrugs*

I didn't make up Venezuela's Constitutional provisions.

a reply to: Vector99

That's where they were gonna put that base correct?

a reply to: RickyD

But yet America is allowed to spread its influence and puppets near Russia Borders so close to Russia? if America can be so close to Russia why cant Russia do the same in SA?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
I know of many veterans who are quite well taken care of. If you are speaking specifically of the VA, thats an entirely matter altogether. But it is a single agency of our government, and rather than clarifying your statements you painted quite the picture with a broad brush.

Having served does not mean the government automatically waves a wand and your set for life. They have to consciously decide to not also make poor choices in civilian life.

Tent cities in mostly Democrat jurisdictions?? Take it up with those specific jurisdictions. Half of Paris is a tent city slum. Australia #s all over the indigenous population. You can find a sore and flaw in everyone system. State your nation and I will find your issues. The difference though, is I am not going to say it sho0ws that your country does not take care of its people. You would not be typing on the internet if your country did not take care of you. # you would barely have power.

Um. . . . isn't Trump supposed to be Putin's bitch?

Why would he be doing this if he was Putin's bitch?


It boggles the mind!

a reply to: RickyD

Yep

a reply to: AtlasHawk

Wow. You really touched a nerve with this thread, which is strange. It’s not really that controversial, yet everyone is attacking you for some reason.

It seems a lot of people here have a lot invested in beating the war drums for the destabilization of South America.

And that’s really telling.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: DBCowboy

That is a good cover story, helping the people of Venezuela. Even the oil aspect is a good cover story for interfering there, but in my opinion the real reason the US is meddling is the island of La Orchila.

*shrugs*

I didn't make up Venezuela's Constitutional provisions.

It's not supposed to be allowed per Venezuela's constitution, but Maduro is allowing Russia there so he can stay in power. A strategic bomber base in Venezuela is a major game changer for Russia, and the US knows this. This isn't a coincidence.

a reply to: AtlasHawk
it is welcome to try. As you can see, it comes with backlash. The question is, can Russia do on the other side of the world, what we are capable of doing simultaneously everywhere in the world??

Russia would have no capable way of maintaining the logistics of defending Venezuela the way it did Syria. Not only does it not have the numbers for force projection, it does not have the existing distribution agreements with manufacturers of strategic resources in the region, as much of those networks in South America are already beholden to our intelligence apparatus.

So they can what, maybe deploy a carrier?? If it goes hot, the Venezuela energy infrastructure goes to # in a matter of days, as they are completely surrounded by our partner forces who are not aligned with Russia. Its like this plan they have to go after Israel using Iran. Russia cannot do it themselves because missiles would be coming at them from all over the Mediterranean. So they direct Iran to do so and it keeps it between them two for now.

Who does Russia have like that in the Sur?? Maduro was the only viable candidate, and hes out. At least Chavez had the respect of the people, they came down by the thousands and forcibly liberated him from detainment. No such love is lost on his successor. The citizens are just not behind this guy.

a reply to: underwerks

Not sure about everyone else but personally i want to get at more facts. I pose questions aimed at getting more facts or making the point those facts are lacking. The OP still has yet to address my questions to them over the OP instead opting to go on a tangent about off topic things for what i have no clue.

Still wish they would address my original questions...

a reply to: Vector99

I have been looking to try and get an idea of the timeline of things and it appears trump made the remarks that got the open support of other SA nations in early August. The news of this russian outpost was made public in early December. Now I wonder how long Russia was working on this and did we know they were negotiating for a base way back in August...

a reply to: underwerks
what a good little SJW, trying to convince the OP he is a victim. Who specifically attacked the OP, could you quote it please?? Becaquse i been here since page 1, and not yet has a single post attacked the OP, his character, or even his posts.

Is that you Nancy?? Trying to find a victim that needs saving??

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: DBCowboy

That is a good cover story, helping the people of Venezuela. Even the oil aspect is a good cover story for interfering there, but in my opinion the real reason the US is meddling is the island of La Orchila.

*shrugs*

I didn't make up Venezuela's Constitutional provisions.

It's not supposed to be allowed per Venezuela's constitution, but Maduro is allowing Russia there so he can stay in power. A strategic bomber base in Venezuela is a major game changer for Russia, and the US knows this. This isn't a coincidence.

I wasn't speaking about Russians involved being part of this issues (when I spoke of their constitution), apologies if that wasn't clear.

It could very well all be about Russia.

a reply to: AtlasHawk

It's not a question of morality...its 2 countries playing a game to win. We have been able to surround them with bases and they haven't been able to do anything to stop it as we have overwhelming support around them. They don't have that much needed support to be able to pull it off on us, but it's not like they won't try and keep trying. I'm not saying it's "right or wrong" I'm saying this is what it is and at this level of the game you can do whatever no one can stop you from doing.

a reply to: RickyD
a reply to: DBCowboy
Here's an article from 2015 from sputnik attempting to dissolve speculations from then, Russia trying getting a base there isn't a new thing, them actually getting one is. A base in Venezuela levels the playing field and gives the Russians the capability to launch strategic bombers at the US from anywhere in the world. Without it they could only launch from Russia unless they planned on it being a one-way trip, a.k.a. suicide mission.

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