Horten XVIII Nuclear device Theory

In April 1945 the two Horten brothers started to work on the plane called Horten XVIII. The aircraft was a massive (100ft wingspan) stealth er, that would be able to carry nuclear weapons. What is wierd is WHY would the Germans start making a plane that could carry a nuclear weapon to America and back if they did not have it? There is a possiblity, according to a French report that the Germans did IN FACT have 2 nuclear and were planning to deploy them later in 1945- its is obvious that the Germans MUST have had some sort of dirty or nuclear device at their disposal- or why else would they have started development on an aircraft that cuold deploy it?????


www.luft46.com... (nuclear )

www.ufologie.net... (aircraft)

[edit on 27-2-2005 by PtballDan]

[edit on 27-2-2005 by PtballDan]

Very odly shaped, it has a low profile too. It seems, unlike our planes today, that the Hortons were striving to put the wings as close to the nose as possible.

Some of those hortens look EXACTLY the way Kenneth Arnold described his "flying saucers". Interesting...

Those planes are the precursors to our (America's) stealth bomber, correct?

I doubt highly that there was a bomb to deliver. There is ample evidence that Werner Heisenberg stalled the program along. Coupled with the fact that they had lost most of thier heavy water had been knocked out and they fact that they never even got to the stage of building a reactor. Nor could they have built the massive underground facilities needed to enrich Uranium and without a reactor, there would be no plutonium.

The delivery system may have been the Horten's but more likely it would have been:

Junkers EF 130 which was a Jet powered wing design was to have a range of 4700 miles, with an 8000 lb bomb load could have done it if it had been
developed.

Arado E 555-11 13,000 lbs with a range of almost 5000

This was more in line with potential payloads and you have to remember that as revolutionary as the Horten's were they would have a hard time pitching it against the established design groups like Junkers.

At anyrate the first link is one I have not seen before and has a great deal of information.

If people are interested about the German Bomb project the thread is here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by PlausibleDeniability
Those planes are the precursors to our (America's) stealth bomber, correct?

Operation Paperclip and the OSS spent alot of time securing technology in Germany as our armies ventured through. However, don't forget that Jack Northrop also used the flying wing concept. They actually during the development of the B-2 got Jack cleared and allowed him to see the plane. He died not long after satisfied that his dream was finally built.

As time goes by more and more outlandish theories about the German capacity to (almost) win the war appear.

Up until fairly recently the talk about this kind of thing centred on the unusually converted Heinkel He 177 (it, apparantly, had a massively enlarged bomb-bay) found in Czechoslovakia just after the war had ended.
www.simviation.com....

There was a rather interesting program on the Discovery channel a little while back which made the point rather well that German nuclear research was hampered as much as anything by going off, in error, down a cul-de-sac and that for as long as they thought what they did (it was to do with incorrect assumptions arising from a miscalculation regarding the degree to which fission would occur with a given quantity of fissile material) they could never have made a functional nuclear weapon.

In short the German scientists thought they needed several tons of uranium - which they did not and never would have - whereas it actually turned out that a functional bomb was 'do-able' with mere kilos.

So they tried the plutonium route, never succeeded in making a functional 'pile' and the much vaunted 'heavy water' they had was in such tiny amounts (even at undisturbed full production).

They could, apparantly, have had years more at their disposal and still not have 'got' it.

www.globalsecurity.org...

www.thirdreich.net...

Whilst it is true that a 'radiological bomb' might have been possible the fact remians that it was their own barbaric and idiotic political philosophy which gave the allied powers the scientists capable of constructing the a-bomb and robbed them of the ability, thankfully.

As for the interesting Horten flying wing jet aircraft?

A few of the smaller ones made it to the prototype stage......and they were barely developed ones at that with engines lucky to make 10hrs without catastrophic failure.

I think a little reading of the allied evalution material might help dispel the myth that these aircraft were anything like on the verge of being deployable and nearly 'ready'......

.....nevermind the collossal undertaking that the bigger 'Amerika-bomber' Ho18 would have been.

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Anyhoo, why should a big capacity bomber be taken as other than a bomber with a big bomb capacity?

Unless someone can come up with (suspiciously late) 'proof' (a picture of an actual prototype trans-atlantic jet bomber with the bomb-bay doors open and a sign visible saying caution - nuclear weapon stowed here I think this one will have to remain with the fantasists and the Luftwaffe 1946, 47 er 2005 types.

Cor, those WW2 Germans eh, eh?
Phwooaarrr!



(They lost as totally as it was possible to lose and they fully deserved to lose too. Shame about the countless millions devoured by their military mania, huh?)

Originally posted by PlausibleDeniability
Those planes are the precursors to our (America's) stealth bomber, correct?

Not completely, but partly correct! Northrop, the company that built the B-2, Had been researching the Flying Wing since 1928. Most of their work is based on this research that they did internially. Now, as for the Horton aircraft, these planes contributed some very important ideas to the B-2's design and development: Recessed and sheilded exosts, countored engin Inlets, RAM Skin,and a few other things.

The truth is this: the B-2 Spirit(Steath Bomber) is actually a hybrid design that evolved from blending the Horton Ho XVIII with the Northrop YB-49A, and adding modern Stealth Technology to it.

Tim
ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

in short, my guess is that they assumed they would win other campaigns and have the resources to get a nuke out by late '45. the plane was designed becasue they had resources in hand for that endeavor.

This is not so.

The official scientific 'position' in Germany was so far from the mark (thanks to Heisenberg) as to make their a-bomb proposals unworkable.

They were never going to have the bomb no matter how long they took over it as there were serious and significant errors in their theories.

......and too few of them had the slightest idea or expertise in the subject back then (which is no surprises as so few did know in the whole world then).

If you read the recently released transcripts taken from the captured nuclear scientists www.taivaansusi.net... you will see that only a few of the German scientists knew pretty well what was necessary to build the a-bomb.....

.....Heisenberg had been able to accurately deduce the methods used in the allied bomb in a matter of a day or two of hearing radio reports about the attack on Japan (and imagine how little information they must have contained!).

The fact is we owe a huge debt of gratitude to those men.
They simply refused to let their criminal government have it.

Once again this was a theoretical idea based off of French military reports that stated they had demolitioned 2 prototype nuclear weapons. The question remaining is IF the Germans HAD made the 2 nuclear bombs where would the radiation be? As covered in the website it says that its PLAUSIBLE that the French recorded the wrong location or they had the wrong German name. Also in the article it said that the Germans wouldnt exacly be making a conventional nuclear bomb: they would with layers of kerosene between layers of uranium. The two ways of deploying this would be the bomb would have a lead weight in front and would be dropped on New York City and the bomb would go about 200 feet underground ( the momentum) and would then emmit radioactivity into the water table and all of the other tunnels that go under New York City. The other way this nuclear device would have been deployed would be when the front plate (non-weighted) hit a hard surface it would "squish" the plates together, hopefully creating a small nuclear explosion. This type of nuclear device would not need that much technological technicality as the American nuclear bomb was.

As for why the Nazi's would choose the Horten XVIII over others is because it could actually accomplish the mission in stealth without the chance that the EXTREMELY VALUABLE cargo would not be lost. And it probably would have been accompanied by the Messerschmit 262 or the Horten 229 for protection.


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