Mayor De Blasio Announces Health Care For All NYC Residents

a reply to: tadaman

you claim it wiil cost you more ..what are you paying for healthcare now ..if paid for by ultra rich it wont cost you and you may not have a healthcare cost if you qualify

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Be honest, acute care on the NHS is fantastic. Routine stuff? 1-2 years to get that hip replacement mentioned above. Chronic shortage of staff, and chronically underfinanced. Christ...its on Jeremy Vine second only to Brexit.

Do you want a US style insurance system? I don't. I have a brain scan next week, had to wait a month, non urgent, already had one to confirm no brain tumour, waited a week for that after presenting myself at the doctor's.
My service has been fantastic.
I would wish it for everyone in the world, wouldn't you?

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
but I have never met a Canadian who would swap for America's.[/pic]

I've never met anyone from any nation in the world who would want the US healthcare system, even in Laos.
Yet still they defend it while the 500 million in the EU look on and feel sorry for their people.

Alfie Evans parents would disagree with you.

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

LOL. Actually I was always a St. Pauli Girl fan. Oh wait thats German. Ummm, Corona is good....snap....that Mexican. Hang on and let me google Canadia and beer eh.

Labatts is good. Of course, that's compared to swill like Bud Light and Miller, so we're not exactly setting a high bar here.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

That study was funded by Molson and the Beaver Preservation Society(BPS) so I would be pessimistic about those results.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: lakenheath24

Canada has been ranked as the number one best country for quality of life for the past three years. While their healthcare system may not be the best example of universal healthcare (France) they're clearly doing something right up there.

Yeah, they have 30 million or so people in a landmass larger than the US and strict immigration controls.

a reply to: lakenheath24

I'm not too familiar with Canada's beer scene. I hear Vancouver is putting out some decent stuff. What I do know is that Unibroue is making some of the best Belgian-style beers in the world. Their tripel, La Fin du Monde is probably the best example of the style readily available in the US.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: lakenheath24

Canada has been ranked as the number one best country for quality of life for the past three years. While their healthcare system may not be the best example of universal healthcare (France) they're clearly doing something right up there.

Studies like that are little more than mental masturbation. You can get any result you want by playing with how you score the results.

a reply to: zenartist

If you add full coverage for illegal aliens it will cost us more.

This is about that. Residents have great coverage between all the unions, competitive private insurance, and city /state funded programs.

How they just add to an overburdened system by making it a medical tourism hotspot is beyond me. I am at a loss for words.

How will it NOT cost us more?

Is the proposed budget and restructure cheaper?

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

There is good an bad to both systems. Just don't pretend your NHS is the be all end all of health care. Plenty of old peeps have to sell their homes to afford end of life care, nurse/doctor shortages, flu overwhelming the system, etc.. Its got its good points, but it has a ton of weaknesses as well.


Even the model France system is running into funding issues.....you can only tax folks so much.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
Well everyone that is a resident of NY better hurry up and change residency to another state before you get taxed into poverty.

If I didn't have to pay for health insurance, I'd have a lot more I could contribute to taxes.

So basically you are contributing your health insurance money straight to taxes, silly.

Only because you are not just paying for your own health insurance but for all those other people who never carried it before, too, you'll be contributing more in taxes than you ever were in health insurance, so it's a good thing you think you'll have to much more.

This post from you is like Obama saying he was going to save everyone $2,500.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: lakenheath24

Canada has been ranked as the number one best country for quality of life for the past three years. While their healthcare system may not be the best example of universal healthcare (France) they're clearly doing something right up there.

Studies like that are little more than mental masturbation. You can get any result you want by playing with how you score the results.

Indeed. That's why it's better to listen to people who actually use the health care system as opposed to those who have a vest interest in convincing you that you don't want one similar. Like I said...getting cured of cancer for the out-of-pocket expense of parking at the oncology centre.
The horror...the horror...
Where will it end?

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Labatts is what they scrape off the bottom of the Bud barrels, so yeah, not a high bar.

Peeps need to get into Yuengling. Oldest brewery in America. I have converted several of ye olde English mates to it.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Answer me this, other than military funding and number of prisoners what makes the US better than Canada? They've got better healthcare. They've got better infrastructure. They've got a better education system. Hell, they're even more business friendly than the US.

It seems like many in the US still think it's the 1950s. Most Western countries (and a number of Eastern ones as well) have caught back up to us and now surpassed us. The only reason people have to believe we're the best country in the world is because we're the most prosperous. But does that really count when the vast majority of that prosperity is held by a handful of people?

a reply to: lakenheath24

Yuengling is your high water mark? Labatts may be swill but Yuengling ain't much better.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

That doesn't make much sense

If "Most Western countries have caught back up to us and now surpassed us" ... why aren't they the most prosperous? What are they doing so wrong that even with their superiority they cant be the most prosperous?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

If their health care is so much better, why do so many come across the border to get immediate treatment when they're ill instead of waiting in line in Canada?

The problem with the Canadian system isn't that it can't handle treating you, just that it's like the VA, you might die on the waiting list.

a reply to: lakenheath24

That's why I feel like the US could easily convert to the Dutch model. The only major difference between what we have now and what they have in the Netherlands is that health insurance, for the most part, is a non-profit industry. They can charge extra if you want a plan that covers voluntary procedures or guarantees you a private room. Outside that though, plans must be priced at cost.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Weeeeeell, to be honest, I am a microbrew guy. Right now I am swilling some stuff called Elvis Juice by Brew Dog. It's made by Limey's with American hops which is as fine a combo of ingredients as one could hope for in the world. Kinda like us Yanks over here in the UK scoffing up all the best English ladies.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I looooooove Dutch models. OMG, Dutch girls. OH wait. Well, I totally agree and have said it many times....make health care an NPO. Can insurance companies, regulate the drugs industry, and bam.....affordable health care. And don't give me crap about Phizer and such losing money. How much funding is provided by the tax payer for new drugs at the university level? Johns Hopkins anyone? Look it up.