1991 H.H.John Paul II: Moral relativism will push world to Abyss by 2020 or even before.

The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light
Dear Readers,

In 1991 H.H. John Paul II warned humanity of many serious risks that the postmodernity was going to face, as a consequence of a world that was no longer moved by the balance of opposite forces or poles, many thought wrongly that his words were motivated or referring really to the past, to the cold war that was over few years before.

To the contrary His encyclical Centisimus Annus, addressed the humanity that was no longer under the rule of the mutual lack of trust or confidence created in the times of the cold war political blocks, but living on the then new era of globalism, of a new category of social problems that may come under a new ways of life boosted by a materialism never seen before by civilization.

Centesimus Annus H.H. John Paul II 1991 document:

He foresaw that the spread of mercantilism as the only rule to control over the world was going to open a pandora box of uncontrolled trade or circulation of influences that in the long run were going to menace the concept of civilization, he was foreseeing right ahead of our current moment, and in particular to the moral relativism pushed by a materialistic urge that have taken over the world since then.

H.H. John Paul Il, Centisimus Annus 46: The Church values the democratic system inasmuch as it ensures the participation of citizens in making political choices, guarantees to the governed the possibility both of electing and holding accountable those who govern them, and of replacing them through peaceful means when appropriate. Thus she cannot encourage the formation of narrow ruling groups which usurp the power of the State for individual interests or for ideological ends.
Authentic democracy is possible only in a State ruled by law, and on the basis of a correct conception of the human person. It requires that the necessary conditions be present for the advancement both of the individual through education and formation in true ideals, and of the "subjectivity" of society through the creation of structures of participation and shared responsibility.
Nowadays there is a tendency to claim that agnosticism and skeptical relativism are the philosophy and the basic attitude which correspond to democratic forms of political life. Those who are convinced that they know the truth and firmly adhere to it are considered unreliable from a democratic point of view, since they do not accept that truth is determined by the majority, or that it is subject to variation according to different political trends. It must be observed in this regard that if there is no ultimate truth to guide and direct political activity, then ideas and convictions can easily be manipulated for reasons of power.
As history demonstrates, a democracy without values easily turns into open or thinly disguised totalitarianism.

What were those narrow groups of power that the Polish Pope was warned the world of?

1990s was a decade of huge expansion of the power of great corporations around the world, a time where many small enterprises disappeared completely of the map crashed under the pressure of giant capitals of the retailing empires controlling the flow of goods produced by almost slaved workers in the far east to captive consumers on the west.

Quality at low cost were used as excuse to spread new monopolies on the world that created monsters controlling the world economy, but also investment risk was used as a coverup for multiple new schemes of scamming that like the so called pyramids and airplane games created almost exclusively to fish people on the online business arena.

It was on the decade after this so crucial document became published that we saw the arise of the fundamentalistic Islam, the one that see on terrorism a Divine mandate, one of the many fanaticisms that became favored by the free offer of weapons of any kind, even the most sophisticate and automatic can be designed, to whoever had the means to acquire them.

We also saw the arrival on that decade of exacerbated secularism on the west imposing drastic changes on the public moral that opened the path to the Neoliberalism, the gradual cancellation of all the social security laws and benefits that were essential to push the world out of the great depression, also the advance of the gender culture, the regularization of divorce all around the world as a normal situation, the spread in the name of human rights of the abortion, the change of gender as a right and the equalization of the same gender unions with the traditional marriage.

By the second half of 1990s many of the so called traditional empires of pornographic art-journalism like Playboy, Hustler, Penthouse, Play Girl, etc, became gradually on serious problems to compete with a chaotic new market of distribution of every time stronger and stronger obscene materials through the web that were no longer restricted to just adults, but were even invading personal computers everywhere reaching even underage audiences. This culture of pornographic use of the internet boosted networks of prostitution as never seen before in History under the facade of personal encounters websites.

We also witnessed the rebirth of the extreme ultra-nationalisms or racisms on the world, that gradually replaced the old spheres of influence of the cold war, like the arrival of the Bolivarianism in South America, the apparition of more and more groups acting on the western Europe, America, and Russia in the name of sectarian vision of power, like the white supremacism, the Russian nationalism, the Ukrainian nationalism, movements in France, German and even America that invoked xenophobia as their political flag, hatred to immigrants and other minorities blaming them of all what it was wrong.

A new wave of consumption of synthetic stimulants that were able not only to create addiction, but also alter completely the perception of what is morally correct and what is wrong spread, even boosting degenerate or mad behaviors, along even places where before there was no tolerance the trade of illicit drugs, like Eastern Europe or the former Soviet Union, and it became linked with the arousal of uncontrollable domestic violence in the west.

The thread is opened precisely to evaluate the vision that the Pope John Paul II had of how a wrong understanding of debauchery rule, instead of responsible freedom, can engender movements within the democratic scene which final outcome is , although it may appear contradictory, the imposition of a new antimoral that is against all decency that existed before and so undermine the fundamentals of the rule of natural law and erode the democratic society itself.

We all see how on our days it is even more and more common to see people that is deprived of their right to oppose those changes, even under the use of conscience objection, because on doing so they are confronting the New source of legality that is the rule of the majorities over the minorities, The stronger over the weak ones, the so called "winners" over the "losers", the Populism over what is ethical right.

It is interesting to see how accurate was the vision of future of a Pope accused to be Globalophobic by his detractors, that died before the Great Recession but was able to foresee it clearly.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

Too bad. This could have been an interesting topic. I believe the OP is correct with his opening statement, but I would have liked to read what else he had to say.

a reply to: The angel of light

I too have made this boo boo !!

Moral relativism is basically having no morals at all.

Sure, you say this or that is never right for you, but if you allow that it may be right for others, then the implication is that in those circumstances, it is also right for you.

"I would never engage in pedophilia, but if that culture over there says that pedophilia is culturally acceptable, who am I to judge?"

That statement is the sort of construction you find in a moral relativist's vocabulary. What they are saying is that they are not personally a pedophile, but if the culture of Wayoverthereistan accept pedophilia among its people, then the person making the statement finds pedophilia perfectly acceptable for the people and children of Wayoverthereistan. That means they accept pedophilia and do not always find it wrong. There is no moral judgment they are making, only a statement of action they will not make.

**EDIT**

Basically, they would not be the neighbors you would want in the event of a genocide. They might stand there and tell you they think it wrong for you to be rounded up and taken off to the ovens ... but since that group over there finds it perfectly morally acceptable, who are they to judge? And then they stand aside.

Yeah, I can foresee the end of civilization and the rising of chaos in the US and Europe.

a reply to: ketsuko

Isn't this how pro-abortionists think?

a reply to: DBCowboy

I didn't use that example on purpose.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: DBCowboy

I didn't use that example on purpose.

I'm not as nice as you are.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Eh, the word "abortion" flips the insta-REEEE switch. I thought I'd try something different this time. Not that it'll work any better.

Did he also address the absolute immorality within his own church ? The police have symbolic line know as the Blue Line. Dont cross the line and reveal the wrongs committed by a few in order to protect the integrity of the organization. This organization that the spiritual leader we know as the Pope has a symbolic line as well. We should recognize it as the White Line, and same principals apply, dont cross it, protect the organization at all cost.

Recently I read a story of the current spiritual leader. He was concerned that a secular performer he invited to perform for him, not do the regular routine she is famous for, which involved the gyrations of her hips during her dance performance. She was given a letter to detail those concerns with explicit instructions on do's and dont's.

This from a Pontiff and a long line of previous successors who as a matter of routine, looked the other way while a few participants in their form of morality violated children and adults sexually and with physical abuse up to and including at least allegations of murder. All in favor to never cross the White Line, in order to protect the Organization. Worried of his own offense at someone gyrating their body but unconcerned with the systemic abuse of their own parishioners, especially those most vulnerable, the children.

I consider myself a believer, but this group has no business preaching morality to anyone until they decide to cross that line and take action to protect the very individuals who provide the opportunity for their very existence, the individuals whom give them the power and opportunity, the believers. So forgive me for rejecting anything which comes from their mouths, morality or predictions. Any predictions better involve the destruction of their own house which sadly is where they headed if they refuse to ever cross the White Line.

a reply to: DJMSN

It is straightforward that when He pointed out toward the uncontrollable spread of perversity boosted in the name of consumerism, through the high way of misinformation that unfortunately is right now the web, He was of course able to see that such an evil influence of groups profiting of anything, even sexual exploitation of others that we all know is another form of slavery, was going to pervade on any possible place, even within personal computers not only of teenagers or college students, or entrepreneurs, but also on the ones of ministers, pastors, rabbis and unfortunately also Catholic clergy.

Therefore the answer to your question is that he indeed foresaw with meridian precision the true causes of all the moral decomposition we are seeing right now reaching even to the ones that must be the pillars of the preservation of the moral, the spiritual or religious leaders of almost any denomination.

Sexual immorality by definition does not exist if the new anticulture of the extreme tolerance prevails, so it is nothing else that the byproduct of an exacerbated mercantilism that has reached the point to trade human beings sexuality as services and so human beings as objects of pleasure, as mre goods offered to the free demand of a market.

Of course also this may mislead even to some religious leaders, that fall on such perverse web, in to think that they also have the power to trade for themselves or others forgiveness of sins without require any personal responsibility, nothing else that Easy Believism, a major Heresy of Modernity.

Centesimus Annus 49 .
In order to overcome today's widespread individualistic mentality, what is required is a concrete commitment to solidarity and charity, beginning in the family with the mutual support of husband and wife and the care which the different generations give to one another. In this sense the family too can be called a community of work and solidarity. It can happen, however, that when a family does decide to live up fully to its vocation, it finds itself without the necessary support from the State and without sufficient resources. It is urgent therefore to promote not only family policies, but also those social policies which have the family as their principle object, policies which assist the family by providing adequate resources and efficient means of support, both for bringing up children and for looking after the elderly, so as to avoid distancing the latter from the family unit and in order to strengthen relations between generations.

101 Apart from the family, other intermediate communities exercise primary functions and give life to specific networks of solidarity. These develop as real communities of persons and strengthen the social fabric, preventing society from becoming an anonymous and impersonal mass, as unfortunately often happens today. It is in interrelationships on many levels that a person lives, and that society becomes more "personalized". The individual today is often suffocated between two poles represented by the State and the marketplace. At times it seems as though he exists only as a producer and consumer of goods, or as an object of State administration. People lose sight of the fact that life in society has neither the market nor the State as its final purpose, since life itself has a unique value which the State and the market must serve. Man remains above all a being who seeks the truth and strives to live in that truth, deepening his understanding of it through a dialogue which involves past and future generations.

Please check:
www.centesimusannus.org...

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Excuse me, but that is total SNIP. It is documented FACT that the systemic abuse of both children and adults was occurring within the church long before the internet or pornography as we have today ever existed. It is straightforward that he and a long line of previous leaders and successors ignored that abuse in order to provide protection to the organization. This is undeniable and documented fact.

Of course, if the organization were to actually follow the same moral code they expect from others and release the Biblical FLOOD of documents they have in the various incidents, which we can easily count in the hundreds of thousands, and likely many many more, then we could begin to heal.

However, the coverup is so ingrained and extensive that they will all go to prison, that there is no hope of this ever occurring. Its no secret that this organization prides itself in documenting and preserving every detail of church activity and history. This is the only reason that someday, one of the leaders will actually lead and release what is left of the documents. I am quite sure that with 24 hour shift 7 days a week and a direct God provided miracle that they will never be able to destroy it all. Nor do they wish too, it is most important to the organizations survival as it makes delicious black mail material.

If he was so straight forward, and by deliberate blindness actually knew nothing then why could he not forsee the true destruction occurring all around him. Brick by brick it will bury them and unfortunately many of those who place so much blind faith in an organization bent on protecting their own. It is his own crooked walk, not his straight forwardness that leads to the immorality of humanity. Afterall, those who direct morality from followers but do not expect morality from themselves have no morality. Those who refuse to cross a kinetic protect the organization will destroy it, that is straight forward PERIOD.

a reply to: DJMSN

Not at all, think anybody here needs more than your words or recollections to really consider opinions about history as more than that.

Anybody can see clearly that the sexual abuse of underage, as well as of women, is an epidemic of major proportions running all along America and the western world on many different communities.

Every day we see headings of news papers talking about Ministers, pastors, Rabbis, Muslim clergy and even meditation gurus accused of that. It would be a really misleading argument to claim that this is only occurring on people belong to one specific religion or denomination.

Were the sport coaches that violated almost all their football or gymnastic trainees at PennState, Baylor or the USA Gymnastic team along decades all Roman Catholics?

are Bill Cosby, Charlie Rose, Matt Lauer, Roger Ailles, Bill O'Reilly, Harvey Weinsten, Roy Price, James Toback, Mark Helperin, all Roman Catholics?

72 Media American men accused of sexual miscounduct.

With all respect what planet are you living on?

Are you reading all the news or only the ones that are focused on certain cases of sexual abuse but pretend to ignore all what occur on other places?

to claim sexual immorality only happen on Catholicism is irresponsible, is like to try to claim that only Catholicism have cases of domestic violence on our days.

Epidemics of Sexual misconduct denial on Evangelical churches.

Victims Advocate: Sexual abuse is Not just a Catholic Problem

The Protestant Clergy Sex abuse Pattern

Rabbi Sexual Misconduct: Crying out for Comunal response

MegaChurch Pastor resigns for Sexual Misconduct Scandal

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

With all do respect, the ones who NEED to see and HEAR my words are oblivious to the world because they see themselves above the very immorality that is so pervasive amoung themselves that they intentionally insulate themselves and ignore that pervasive immorality.

You are correct, the abuse of children sexually and physically knows no boundaries in what is undeniably an immoral world. I only speak of the systemic abuse because it is hidden from the world by the unforgivable coverup perpetuated by the very ones who can provide solace and healing.

They protect individuals they know are corrupt, and allow them to continue the abhorrent behaviour they accuse the world of. We know the world is a dark place, many know the church Is even darker, not because of the same behaviour which is indicative of the world and humanity, but from that behavior of hiding in the light, the very darkness that is known to exist.

The world, or much of it is aware of immorality, but these leaders of morality are the ones blind to it. They hide and protect darkness in order to shine a light on the world. Meanwhile the darkness seeps and weeps from the walls built to protect. These leaders have failed and have no business blaming the world when the world learns from the leaders, at least the world prosecutes and punishes those we find. The leaders cover up, and protect most, all for the organization, never cross that White Line.

And for the record, or at least you could provide the words I used, never say only Cathloics abuse children. Never said that. What I did say was a man who was completely aware of countless cases of abuse has no business teaching the world is immoral when the very history, much of it written by the church itself, shows the systemic immorality within it's very walls. It is humanity at fault, I do not blame the church. I am sad that the leaders chose to do NOTHING and instead allow that abuse to continue. Its is human fear of losing the control and gobs of money that leads them to instead cover up. That is unforgivable, if they just admit to being human like everyone else and do SOMETHING then it could be, well the world. Instead they turn a blind eye and one could say they promote it. I respect Catholics, I respect all religion but no longer can I respect these worthless leaders, nor respect anything they have to say.

a reply to: The angel of light

Materialism is all we have. Is there a non-material choice, if so, what is it?

a reply to: The angel of light

Sorry, I am on crappy tablet so I can't type much but this is a fascinating topic. I would have to agree and disagree with John Paul II. He was quite correct about the damage moral relativism has done and will continue to do. But he's a bit off in terms of when he believes this path to perdtion began. It started in the 19th Century with some philosophers that fed Kant and Camus. I did a lengthy research into this and concluded that the top theologians and philosophers of the Vatican and the theological schools apparently entirely missed this new movement. I think they disregarded its influence because to them, it was entirely absurd.

I wish I could find my research materials, but they are locked up in a computer that shuffled off its mortal coil and it would take weeks to retrace my steps.

Thanks

a reply to: dfnj2015

There are aspects that are crucial of our lives that are not material at all:

Have you ever touch the love of somebody to you? I mean true love, deep feelings for you?

Have any surgeon found where are those strong human emotions are located in the brain? Lets say to stimulate them artificially with the touch of scalpel? `

who has seen really the point where all loyalty, fidelity, sincerity or trust is rooted on the body? what organ is responsible of them?

How many millions could be paid for by the unconditional affection that a devote wife or husband have for their partner or their children?

It is needed to live an entire life to see how the love that goes in almost only one way from parents to children comes back in the other way around when the children turn adults and their parents are elders, there are no institutions that can provide such care and devotion.

Anybody can save money to have means of survival that last until his or her last days, but love is something can not bought or sold.

I can talk about more abstracts things, like the feeling of protection and communion somebody experience when it is on deep prayer to God, even facing the most challenging difficulties of life.

There is no stimulant that provides the stamina that loves inject on the Human spirit and no narcotic that supply the peace that it gives as well.

Only societies that have reach the point of moral decadence think drugs can replace natural human feelings.

It is a lie of immense proportions to think that all on this world is to be bought or sold and has a Price on it, that is part of the Materialistic superstition the world have fallen into.

The Angel of Lightness

In Reply to dfnj2015:

Did you not chose to be the obvious material expession of God in this lifetime (just as you have in multiple other lifetimes) to progess your soul? This is all on you or your doing; pay grades do not apply. If not in a material state you still exist; just not on earth.