Just Went Through My FM Entered Apprentice Initiation

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Well last night I went through the initiation for my Entered Apprentice degree. It was quite the experience for sure and I only messed up a couple times throughout the what seemed like an hour initiation. But thankfully I had a really good guide to help me through. Definitely learned a lot but like always, what happens in there stays in there. LOL

Finally, i feel wanted. I feel part of a gang.

a reply to: KSigMason
I see your church has a lot of interest in Isis, which is a great deal of my research material, link below:-
www.johannite.org...
At beginning of video, the negative version of the Johannite Church logo is shown, funny that!

a reply to: Astronomer62
Dude, you are obsessed. Let it go. The logo nor my church are the subject of this thread.

a reply to KsigMason,
Please Note cares of being up to 3 degrees of freemasonry isn't a problem for me, you are not answering any question ,involving above 3 degrees, moderators will allow me to continue up to a point against against you, i hope, regarding this thread!
There are many interpretations of Knights Templar, it is the goats head or the head of Saint John The Baptist that means so much to to you as an Icon?
Other masons as yet are not coming in to protect you on this thread, regarding the higher degrees and Knights Templar, Johannite Philosophy does have degrees involving Knights Templar, so what's the problem with you with trying to bring in moderator and saying what is the process and legality of this thread and not answering questions? Obviously you are defaulted in saying at least that higher ranks of masonry and Knights Templar ranks, do use ritual MAGICK!
otsj.org...

a reply to: KSigMason
I see from the ten holy orders of your church, that 4th level is "Exorcist", i'm not sure what i believe about this, but at least i'm a researcher, and i have the birth chart of an Exorcist, and have the life experience regarding this:-

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Please read the several pages on link above.

a reply to: Astronomer62
Well, neither the AJC or the OTSJ has to do with the three degrees of Ancient Craft Masonry.

Please repeat the questions I have not answered.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm familiar with the "higher degrees."

a reply to: Astronomer62
If I remember right, that order has duties of cleansing sacred items for mass and baptism (mostly preparatory work), but I am not in the clergy.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: Astronomer62
Well, neither the AJC or the OTSJ has to do with the three degrees of Ancient Craft Masonry.

Please repeat the questions I have not answered.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm familiar with the "higher degrees."

a reply to: Astronomer62
If I remember right, that order has duties of cleansing sacred items for mass and baptism (mostly preparatory work), but I am not in the clergy.

Hi KSiGMason,
Probably, you are one of the highest ranked freemasons that write here, the AJC and OTSJ may not be anything to do with the Knights Templar, but then again you are a Knights Templar being dubbed and created a Knight by the authority of the Grand Commandery of Knights Templar of Idaho and the Grand Encampment of Knights Templar of the USA, but again there is no proof of direct connection between the ancient order and the masonic order, however you do have to have membership in a Chapter of Royal Arch Freemasons.
The AJC is also heavily involved with Knights Templar, which think that Baphomet is the Head of Saint John the Baptist, this has never been explained before or even admitted by any Templars here!
There have been threads here that have been refuted, that in higher degrees Ritual magic has been performed, but when we look to your associations this must be the case, there are mystery school connections that are similar to The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Do you agree with my comments?
en.wikipedia.org...
I need to pass on more comments as i think the connections are there to see over the last few pages, that your interest is in the "Mystery Schools" and Knights Templar philosophy.

a reply to: KSigMason
The difference with me is i'm a good researcher, i learn from the outside, there are no oaths of silence regarding me, ARE YOUR OATHS STOPPING REPLY??????

a reply to: Astronomer62
The Knights Templar in the Freemasons has nothing to do with the Templar group of the AJC.

The supposed worship of the head of John the Baptist is a theory and nothing more; at best, it was a confession induced by torture which is not reliable.

And I'm not the highest-ranked as degree does not equal rank in Freemasonry. I am a Master Mason who has joined several other concordant and appendant bodies.

a reply to: Astronomer62
No, my OBLIGATIONS do not stop me from replying. What stops me is my constant travel work and for Freemasonry. In the last two weeks, I've traveled to Portland for church then come back to Boise for the Northwest York Rite Conference then to California for work and I am currently in southern Idaho for the Masonic Knights Templar. Within the next two weeks, I will be traveling to Hawaii then to Denver then back to Idaho for literally 30-hours before traveling to the mid-Atlantic then going home just to turn around and travel to the southern part of Idaho for another Masonic meeting. I'm busy is what I'm trying to say.

a reply to: KSigMason
Hi, i'm glad you are back, so if the Knight's Templar's did hold the head of Saint John the Baptist, which is dubious, i don't find that a problem, it happened with relics like the Head of Saint Catherine of Sienna:-
romancatholic.us...
I see you have forgotten to reply on point 2 of my comments.

a reply to: KSigMason

And now the true secrets of masonry are revealed. The more you are requested, the more likely you are to not say no.

Don't be afraid to take a break, you of all people deserve one.

Mahabone
a reply to: Skywatcher2011

originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: Astronomer62
I believe him to be a wise sage or at least a figurehead for wisdom.

I am a Johannite Christian which is an esoteric and Gnostic Christian church.

Hi Ksigmason,
On your link above you do mention The Most Reverend James Foster, obviously you wasn't mindful of what you were joining at least. Also there are links regarding The Apostolic Johannite church by the All Saints Accord with the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, please read link under "Signatories" on link below:-
www.johannite.org...
The closeness of the two branches of churches can be found when reading below regarding Pedophilia and convicted prisoner Bishop Reginald freeman:-
johannite.org...
If you hold the same beliefs but are from a different church, then it may help the forum debate if we look at core beliefs of the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica.
We need to scroll down to The Gnostic Creed on link below:-
en.wikipedia.org...
I can't remember the amount of threads here where known Knights Templars have denied worshiping Baphomet, can you now deny that you don't, when it is in the Gnostic Creed of another branch associated with your church?

Hi KSigMason,
The main question that i have asked constantly and never has been answered is partly above and link below regarding magical rituals, which masonic Knights Templars have refuted, yet you seem surrounded by mystery schools, it isn't a crime but i'm not keen on Crowley mentioned above regarding Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica
It was you that first mentioned the Johannite church, which has its own mystery school called The Friary:-
ordosacraeflammae.org...
You have to be a Freemason to belong to your brand of Knights Templar, so at the very least by association you must be interested in mystery schools and ritual magic.
Even your Avatar picture is Hermetic, and no doubt mine is, but i study from the outside as a researcher and have never delved into ritual magic or belonged to anything secret.
Do you practice Ritual Magic?

a reply to: Astronomer62
As I have said, you're confusing different Templar groups. The Masonic Knights Templar are not involved with the EGC.

Where in the Masonic Order of the Temple (the ritual) is ritual magick or mystery schools?

a reply to: KSigMason
I don't have a problem with the 3 degrees of Freemasonry, as i have said before, however many start, or join groups after, that are irregular, as in list below:-
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
All regular masons who joined other bodies or founded them that were Irregular, can bring the main body of Freemasonry into dis-repute
I find Johnnite Church Irregular for a normal regular mason to belong to, so i will pose the question again slightly differently "Do you practice Ritual Magic regarding your membership of the Johannite Church?"

a reply to: Astronomer62
Well, those links were of people, not groups. However, there are a number of concordant bodies that are regular and recognized by Grand Lodges.

The AJC is not a Masonic group nor attempting to be so the regularity is of no issue when discussing Freemasonry.

I've never seen ritual magick done so far.

a reply to: KSigMason
I know you are a honorable man, so i accept that you have not seen any magic in the Johannite Church, but perhaps you have never been to The Friary mentioned earlier.
The problem with fringe Freemasonry is that it can merge with the main body, William Wynn Westcott while still being involved with The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn become master of Quatuor Coronati Research Lodge in 1893, that has meetings in Freemasons Hall in London, it says it is the Premier Lodge of Masonic research but is aligned to the Osiris star Alnilam twice in dates of establishment, similar to the Golden Dawn.
www.quatuorcoronati.com...
Looking into the Olympics doesn't show any wrong doing but shows aligning to Sirius and Alnilam really happens when i finish going back to 1896. However these stars seem also aligned to wars, assassinations and politics.
My own thoughts on this that i don't want to live in a Harry Potter World where dates are fixed to align with Sirius and Alnilam.
I have no idea if Magic works, or indeed if there is any power in these stars, but even choosing days to align in this way can change history especially in War.
When we have sporting 2 teams and one wins, we say "The Best Team Won on the Day", on another day the losing team could have won!
Secret Mystery Schools are usually the ones that align to the stars, but so much history is bound up with this i wonder about the immense influence that they have, and i have no idea how to grade these groups as they all use the same stars in alleged astrology magic.

a reply to: Astronomer62
I'm not involved with the Friary; I definitely don't have the time.

Concordant bodies, if recognized by Grand Lodges, are not "fringe Freemasonry."

I'm very familiar with that Research Lodge.

What's wrong with aligning events with the heavenly bodies?

a reply to: KSigMason

Everybody does magic all the time it's called imagining things into being, hmmm I could really go a bacon sandwich and broon sauce, I imagine it and it comes into being because I make it happen.... Is reinacting the murder of Hiram Abiff not magic.... Ceremonial at least, tbh anyone disputing any claims against FMs of all types is onto a hiding to nothing unless they are an SRFM 33, because your SS is top down mate.

a reply to: KSigMason
The pages that you may have to refer to several times as we go along on this topic regarding Quatuor Coronati are below:-
www.mqmagazine.co.uk...
www.mqmagazine.co.uk...
A link regarding the date of establishment of the Isis-Urania Temple of the Golden Dawn on 1st March 1888 is below:-

hermetic.com...