Where AATIP Meets SkinWalker and Experiencers Plus Missing 411

a reply to: Creep Thumper

The double slit experiment is a very good analogy

a reply to: Creep Thumper

"Experiencers" see one thing.. non-"Experiencers" see something
different or nothing at all. This same effect is well-documented
in many of Vallee's books.

No wonder Mr. Bigelow got tired of chasing ghosts; assuming that
is the case -- but I believe that for the most part... "ghosts"
won't help him build inflatable space habitats and what not.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Creep Thumper

"Experiencers" see one thing.. non-"Experiencers" see something
different or nothing at all. This same effect is well-documented
in many of Vallee's books.

No wonder Mr. Bigelow got tired of chasing ghosts; assuming that
is the case -- but I believe that for the most part... "ghosts"
won't help him build inflatable space habitats and what not.

As a CONTACTEE, I disagree. Average people see things all the time.

This "experiencer" label is ridiculous. It was coined by that charlatan, Greer, in trying to make a legitimate name for himself. He succeeded only in that the gullible are handing him piles of cash to sit in a meadow and see things that aren't there.

originally posted by: Creep Thumper

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Creep Thumper

"Experiencers" see one thing.. non-"Experiencers" see something
different or nothing at all. This same effect is well-documented
in many of Vallee's books.

No wonder Mr. Bigelow got tired of chasing ghosts; assuming that
is the case -- but I believe that for the most part... "ghosts"
won't help him build inflatable space habitats and what not.

As a CONTACTEE, I disagree. Average people see things all the time.

This "experiencer" label is ridiculous. It was coined by that charlatan, Greer, in trying to make a legitimate name for himself. He succeeded only in that the gullible are handing him piles of cash to sit in a meadow and see things that aren't there.

It's a word.

I'm a "contactee" too..

"Experiencer" / Contactee / Late for Dinner ... I don't care what you call a person
who interacts with something interesting.

"Experiencer" seems to be a general word used by most everyone.. I wasn't even
aware that Greer uses the word. But I'm sure Greer uses all sorts of words.. and
reputable people still use the same words.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Creep Thumper

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Creep Thumper

"Experiencers" see one thing.. non-"Experiencers" see something
different or nothing at all. This same effect is well-documented
in many of Vallee's books.

No wonder Mr. Bigelow got tired of chasing ghosts; assuming that
is the case -- but I believe that for the most part... "ghosts"
won't help him build inflatable space habitats and what not.

As a CONTACTEE, I disagree. Average people see things all the time.

This "experiencer" label is ridiculous. It was coined by that charlatan, Greer, in trying to make a legitimate name for himself. He succeeded only in that the gullible are handing him piles of cash to sit in a meadow and see things that aren't there.

It's a word.

I'm a "contactee" too..

"Experiencer" / Contactee / Late for Dinner ... I don't care what you call a person
who interacts with something interesting.

"Experiencer" seems to be a general word used by most everyone.. I wasn't even
aware that Greer uses the word. But I'm sure Greer uses all sorts of words..and
reputable people still use the same words.

Kev

Because the UFO community of today is a joke. It's all about cashing in now.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
(I refuse to call them the twin towers, its two oblong shapes that look like towers, not the wtC!)

I only used "Twin Towers" because that was how NIDS referred to them, intentionally referencing the WTC.

Which makes it all the more odd that they didn't subject it to analysis. How did the conversation go when they realised what they'd recorded...?

ERIC DAVIS: 'Anything on the CCTV tapes from yesterday, Colm?'
COLM KELLEHER: 'Not much, apart from a couple of buildings popping up outta nowhere - spittin' image of the WTC Twin Towers.'
ED: 'Is that all? You interrupt my meat pie to tell me THAT?'
CK: 'I know, Eric, we're wasting our time. How's your pet poltergeist, by the way?'
ED: 'It's a damn pain in the butt - tried to pinch my pie by disguising itself as a sexy French Maid.'
CK: 'You catch it on film?'
ED: ' Yeah, I posted it on X-Tube; no need to bother Bigelow.'

originally posted by: Creep Thumper

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Creep Thumper

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Creep Thumper

"Experiencers" see one thing.. non-"Experiencers" see something
different or nothing at all. This same effect is well-documented
in many of Vallee's books.

No wonder Mr. Bigelow got tired of chasing ghosts; assuming that
is the case -- but I believe that for the most part... "ghosts"
won't help him build inflatable space habitats and what not.

As a CONTACTEE, I disagree. Average people see things all the time.

This "experiencer" label is ridiculous. It was coined by that charlatan, Greer, in trying to make a legitimate name for himself. He succeeded only in that the gullible are handing him piles of cash to sit in a meadow and see things that aren't there.

It's a word.

I'm a "contactee" too..

"Experiencer" / Contactee / Late for Dinner ... I don't care what you call a person
who interacts with something interesting.

"Experiencer" seems to be a general word used by most everyone.. I wasn't even
aware that Greer uses the word. But I'm sure Greer uses all sorts of words..and
reputable people still use the same words.

Kev

Because the UFO community of today is a joke. It's all about cashing in now.

Yes, sir. You'll get no argument from me there.

UFOlogy is indeed a cruel joke.

A new religion.

It should be studied carefully with science, not be this three ring circus
that it has been since the 1800's.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Proper made me lol.

It wasn't your wtc comparison I was kicking off about, just overall how that's what people have been calling them

It boggles the mind why nothing else was said or investigated about them in the docu.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Proper made me lol.

It wasn't your wtc comparison I was kicking off about, just overall how that's what people have been calling them

It boggles the mind why nothing else was said or investigated about them in the docu.

I saw that shot. I think it's like the mirages people in Asia see all the time.

a reply to: Creep Thumper

From what I keep hearing the footage of the two towers is 'just there' from all accounts. No commentary at all.

The movie was released on 11th Sept. What a massive coincidence!

And despite the stories...mainly from the Shermans, nothing much happened at the Ranch before they were there or afterwards. We were told activity is starting up again. Was there any evidence of this in the movie?

I might be beginning to get a whiff of TRONDANT again.

a reply to: mirageman

It was a quick shot. In considering it further, it might have been a phony teaser. It wasn't up long enough to examine it closely.

The only new "evidence" was some statements from NAs who saw UFOs. They seemed credible to me.

Also, some things that were discussed in the Kelleher book were corroborated by footage in the film. There was further elaboration on some of the incidents in the book as well.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It’s the Indiana Jones syndrome. It’s been romanticized. One guy or a group of “Ufologists” all armatures are going to go around and solve this mystery. Yeah sure.
It’s the superhero archetype, the Clint Eastwood, Sylvester Stallone syndrome.
When they finally meet the aliens they’ll probably say
Make my day
The new hero is Delonge,

If there are aliens they're laughing at us

a reply to: Willtell

That's a good point you make for sure.

But it's not just the public that romanticizes..

It really goes like this:

1. Regular, non-tin-foil-hat-public (goes goo goo eyes if someone manipulates them right)
2. Tin-Foil-hat-ATS types (goes goo goo eyes if they think someone is an 'insider').
3. The "knows someone somewhat people" - say someone knows Peter Levenda say.. (go goo goo eyes)
4. The "outer seat at the table" (want to trade up to the more senior members at the table)
5. The "inner seat at the table" (want to trade up to the government).

Everyone plays the 'wants to trade up" game.... and I mean EVERYONE.

When I found out that I knew more about this whole business than the person I had goo goo eyes
for AND i knew more than the people that HE had goo goo eyes for.. then that only left the
government.. I have no idea what they know.. but it's probably not much more.. they are
people too... "inside the government" you have groups like the Collins Elite, presumably
the newest incarnation of MK Ultra, etc.. and they know 'more'.

But I really don't want to know what they know.. because in order:
1) they are dead wrong.. they don't even know basic world history.
2) I really dislike when thugs experiment on innocent victims.. I don't want that kind of knowledge.

This is the main reason I don't feel the urge to investigate much more.. I've gone about as
far as I can go, and still respect myself.

But that everyone wants to trade up thing.. I put that on par with the knowledge that UFOlogy
has never been UFOlogy..

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

As someone who has been abused by these things, I'm not at all interested in trading up.

I just want to understand what is happening to me and to be left alone.

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

As someone who has been abused by these things, I'm not at all interested in trading up.

I just want to understand what is happening to me and to be left alone.

if someone had knowledge that could make your life better.. who knew more about
something you were passionate about (logically enough.. if you are being abused..
you don't want to be abused)..

then you'd try to become friendly with them, etc. ? That's trading up too.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

As someone who has been abused by these things, I'm not at all interested in trading up.

I just want to understand what is happening to me and to be left alone.

if someone had knowledge that could make your life better.. who knew more about
something you were passionate about (logically enough.. if you are being abused..
you don't want to be abused)..

then you'd try to become friendly with them, etc. ? That's trading up too.

Kev

Are you cracked? I want NOTHING to do with these things. THEY ARE EVIL.

a reply to: Creep Thumper

I was speaking for a general audience.. I had no idea you were this
traumatized.

That said.. yes.. i know for an absolute fact, that some very nasty
stuff can be involved with this 'stuff'.

I was once paralyzed for 10 minutes after encountering a creature
breaking into my living room.

Unfortunately I'm not a good resource for the maybe 1% of people
who are being terrorized.. if we both had a common reference system
and I was the shaman for the tribe we were both members of, that
would be a different situation.

I absolutely wish you the best.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Creep Thumper

I was speaking for a general audience.. I had no idea you were this
traumatized.

That said.. yes.. i know for an absolute fact, that some very nasty
stuff can be involved with this 'stuff'.

I was once paralyzed for 10 minutes after encountering a creature
breaking into my living room.

Unfortunately I'm not a good resource for the maybe 1% of people
who are being terrorized.. if we both had a common reference system
and I was the shaman for the tribe we were both members of, that
would be a different situation.

I absolutely wish you the best.

Kev

I appreciate that.

Ironically, my sister considers me a shaman because of what I've been through and seen.

a reply to: Creep Thumper

Just out of curiosity, do you feel up to answering some questions?

If so, please answer the following:

1) At what age did you start to run into this evil crap?
2) Any actual native american blood?
3) Did you experience child abuse?
4) Was there heavy religion in your family?
5) When you hit puberty, did electrical appliances malfunction around you?
6) Did you live in a cell-phone dead spot during your worst encounters?
7) Any big earthquake faults nearby?
8) During encounters, does everything suddenly become abnormally quiet?

Thanks,

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That kind of thing is not for public consumption and, more importantly, I don't know you.