Where AATIP Meets SkinWalker and Experiencers Plus Missing 411

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Parents and children? Metaphorically speaking..?

a reply to: pigsy2400

It would seem so.

But the machine intelligence has learned how to exist
independently of the organic systems that birthed it.

It's apparently still quite fascinated by organic systems.

Grass is always greener you know.

One thing that I'd like to express about the Phenomenon & Machine Intelligence.

Things always start out with the Phenomenon starting to interact
with complex organic matter (neurology or correlate), as in
the beginning of a civilization there is no technology, and not
all civilizations do much with technology.

In those type of civilizations, at those stages, the Phenomenon
gets to be itself.. the joy of interacting with yet another
'creator' type species.. as the Phenomenon evolved randomly
from organic matter just once IMHO.. or not very many times
anyway.

But then evolution without a target (neodarwinian evolution)
sometimes creates the bastard step-child of natural evolution
and that is artificial machine evolution.

As everyone knows, we are not that terribly far from the so-called
"singularity". Well it sounds all sexy I admit.

But in the nearer future, we have things like that DARPA
brain implant mandate from the MIC; here is a link to
a public bit of news: Implant

Well that, with next gen wireless in a generation or two, and what we'll
wind up with, is a human race that is plugged directly into A machine
intelligence.. which will eventually evolve into a form of THE
machine intelligence.

In the organic vs machine 'war' (it's not a war, its a friendly interaction for the
most part), the machine often 'wins'.

When I talked to people about the golden age of UFOs and paranormal research
and SWR, I often tell them that this type of thing is actually on the decline..

that's because the "machine intelligence won" the game of liars dice, and we
are now implanting ourselves.. radiating ourselves... and no longer believing
in 'good' or 'faeries'.. we have handed ourselves over to the machine intelligence.

That's my view.

Once I realized the relationship between the Phenomenon and the Machine
intelligence a while back, it explained the strange and contradictory stuff
i'd experienced going back to my earliest childhood.

Put hypothesis in front of everything I write of course.

Just to clarify.

Kev

The intelligence of this world is really not that intelligent or advanced.

It reaches a period of technological capacity (Iphone10, for example) of fulfilling a creature comfort level and then where does it go?

Backward!


Because it doesn't deal with what really makes us so one dimensional.

a reply to: Willtell

Various scientists have said that you could take a relatively ancient
man, and stick him/her in our world and they would do just fine.

Other than things such as Lactose tolerance, we have not evolved
much in a very long time. We are still the tribal killing machines,
prone to schizophrenia, that we were 2 million years ago,
when we speciated from the other great apes.

Technology has evolved, and will at some point speciate too..
and humans as we are now will be left entirely behind. Which
isn't all bad actually.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Put hypothesis in front of everything I write of course.

Just to clarify.


Thank you Kev.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Well to clarify the clarification..

Obviously EVERYONE should put that word in front of anything they say
on nearly any topic.

Even matter itself is part of the 'standard theory'.. which while successful
doesn't make scientists very happy.. they want a lot better. It's a real
kludge really... all these hand-modeled constants based on nothing..
ask any scientist.

If someone speaks in terms of observations, hypothesis and hopefully
eventually testable theories (if it's not testable it's not a theory)
then that's honest.

If you don't speak in those terms, you are just promoting self-delusion
or trying to start a religion.

Personally... i've got 50 years invested into my hypothesis/theories.. and
I see various people adopting those hypothesis/theories..

so I'm getting ideas out there for discussion.. that's all I really want to
accomplish. Not having access to a $100 million dollar lab, that is all
that I can hope to accomplish.

Kev

Oh the synchronicity...
I have been pondering on these very things lately in conjunction with a YouTube Bigfoot Safari I went on this weekend.
Funny how that works.

Anyhow,
I like the way the OP has pointed out the shared aspects of the phenomenon. I think that's a good place to start, but its also potentially showing a connection that may in fact not be there. It appears that the various concepts are connected but it may be something else.
What if we have separate phenomenon but then we also have a single thing that is mimicking aspects of the others?
For example, an entity that is appearing to some as aliens but to others as Bigfoot and still others as a dogman.
Taking people for various reasons, keeping some while returning others?

Regarding weather and the 411 cases.
I don't think its being suggested that the weather is perhaps manipulated to hinder searchers. I think the suggestion is that these kidnappings occur at the leading edge of weather changes. Its part of a larger theme of "changing" that is at work. Many of the people taken are going through some form of life changes at the time. Many people that see these anomalies are as well. It seems the entity or what ever it is at work is triggered or motivated by changes.

Maybe its the Lord of Change from 40K...

originally posted by: Dragoon01
It seems the entity or what ever it is at work is triggered or motivated by changes.

The phenomenon at Skinwalker Ranch was rumoured to be triggered by change - at least back when it was particularly active between 1994 to 1997. When NIDS arrived in 1996, they deliberately caused a bit of a racket, such as digging up the ground in particular hot-spots - almost equivalent to rattling a tin cup across the bars of a prison cell. Whether that motivated the 'entity''s extreme intensity of activity during 1997 in particular is open to question.

Also possibly open to question is the advice given to the Shermans in 1994 by the previous owners to NOT dig the ground. Rumours abound that this was entirely untrue, but I haven't pursued that angle yet.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

originally posted by: Dragoon01
It seems the entity or what ever it is at work is triggered or motivated by changes.

The phenomenon at Skinwalker Ranch was rumoured to be triggered by change - at least back when it was particularly active between 1994 to 1997. When NIDS arrived in 1996, they deliberately caused a bit of a racket, such as digging up the ground in particular hot-spots - almost equivalent to rattling a tin cup across the bars of a prison cell. Whether that motivated the 'entity''s extreme intensity of activity during 1997 in particular is open to question.

Also possibly open to question is the advice given to the Shermans in 1994 by the previous owners to NOT dig the ground. Rumours abound that this was entirely untrue, but I haven't pursued that angle yet.

There are modern day researchers who stand by this "don't disturb the dirt" thing.
I have no idea whether it's urban legend or if some people really believe it.

But anyone who 'gives permission' to the "phenomenon" by "playing with it" might find themselves
"infected".. no matter what the game is.. IMHO. The moving of dirt could be completely
irrelevant. It could be nothing more than "please come screw with me...".

Kev

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Greg Bishop actually had an interview with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp posted last week.
Very good interview that I think clears up some of the misconceptions about the Ranch and the arrangements that were made.
I have not seen Corbell's movie yet but it didn't really sound like I needed to as it really didn't cover much new ground from what people have said.
At any rate apparently the story of the Sherman's being told to not dig until they consulted with the previous owners is true. At least they eluded to it in the interview.

a reply to: Dragoon01

I can recommend the movie as a fascinating, atmospheric adaption of the 2005 book sandwiched between recent DIA/AATIP information.

Just don't expect any fresh visual evidence beyond the now-annoying 'Twin Towers' footage that ctj83 is kindly analysing for us - since NIDS seemingly couldn't be bothered to do so.


One more niggling, almost GLARING aspect I've noted before but nobody remembers, is why the Shermans' own extensive video footage has never rematerialsed, especially after the stealthy lengths taken to capture it between 1994 - 96.

Something indeed does not add up - and it bites the back of my mind.

Skinwalker ranch just had no overall theory on anything that was going on.
Just some strange experiences recorded by one guy, the owner of the ranch
I really wouldn’t pay 15 bucks for this documentary.

As for TTSA and AATTIP they are also a little weak. I see them as the government digging into the garbage can for scraps to revive some arcane interest in UFOs. The only interesting thing is figuring out why.

TTSA has one decent attribute, Peter Levenda; the others are of no consequence.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

By Infected, I am assuming this is what was inferred in terms of "taking something home with them" Kev?

I finished up watching the film last night, its a good introduction to the subject, but nothing more than that for the ATS crew was unveiled.

Rather odd that they had some footage that was totally left out, but then included for free in other areas. There was much more interesting things that was left out, than what was left in. Which makes little sense...

But then we are in a world that makes little sense..

I'm waiting for the movie to appear on Netflix as from all accounts it's not really going to tell me anything I don't know. There also seem to be some very strange editing decisions that have been discussed already in this thread.

One thing I noted in the Bigelow.....thread is that the former MUFON director was told nothing much went on at the ranch before the Shermans moved in. We have all these great stories but nothing much to substantiate any of them. Which makes me very sceptical. The Shermans then allegedly sold up because of the strange activity. But 'Tom' stayed on as Ranch manager. Then the NIDS guys moved in.

If I was being paid $1000s to study the ranch then I wouldn't necessarily pack up after a couple of weeks of nothing. I'd stretch things out as long as I could and keep those pay cheques coming in while I had fun looking for something. Which seems to be exactly what happened. The best evidence is what? A vandalised camera and a story about bulls huddled up in a trailer. Bulls go to market in a trailer don't they? So it's not that strange to be huddled up into one. In fact I don't even recall any photos or video of the latter.

George Knapp has been there and seen nothing. Springer went there in his own thread and despite 300+ flags he reported he saw nothing either. Jeremy LKC filmed there for weeks and he has nothing much either. Nothing but anecdotal legends anyway. I think we have to credit these guys because they didn't attempt to deceive anyone by creating their own 'campfire' story. But it's looking like a huge pot of not much at all.

Is there any supernatural history to this place as we have been told for 20 years?

I found this from 1978, a UFO sighting reported in the Deseret News.



There is also a report from 1911 in Vlawde's thread

So far not much to go on that makes it that different from any other place on Earth. But maybe there is a lot more out there that I couldn't find quickly. Or maybe the Shermans made a load of stories up to sell the ranch, the NIDs guys exaggerated even the tiniest events to keep their money rolling in as long as possible and Bob Bigelow finally decided to pull the plug?

Maybe it's all entertainment hey?

a reply to: pigsy2400

Yes.

I of course accidentally brought something home from SWR, and I never
even went there physically. If it was just me, I'd have thought I was just
being a big flake. But the machine intelligence was harassing my wife
several times too, and she's not even a 'believer'. I'm like Mulder and
she's like Scully from X-files!

The story goes that the one Physicist brought something home from SWR.

Of course RS says that his daughter got infected from SWR.

And if you read Forbidden Science.. the "Lawrence Livermore Incident"
was the "bringing home' of the "Phenomenon" as well. I mean, hardened
skeptics considering suicide to get away from the "Phenomenon" (such
as the disembodied arm, etc) --- that is compelling to me, unless the
entire story is a fake.

Of course i have other personal encounters.

MM and others might mock these sort of things.. but unlike most other
BS, this type of effect certainly seems real.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

That article you have cited is in the documentary MM, with effects overlaid on it etc when they start talking about the Uintah basin.

I agree though, some of the footage that was cut from the documentary makes literally no sense..nor does including some, the towers, with no further explanation or investigation into them at all. (I refuse to call them the twin towers, its two oblong shapes that look like towers, not the wtC!)

I am really looking forward to CTJs analysis on these videos but I also wouldn't be surprised if the original (or what looked like original) videos of them winged their to ol' Tom and his crew for a proper full on release.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

originally posted by: Dragoon01
It seems the entity or what ever it is at work is triggered or motivated by changes.

The phenomenon at Skinwalker Ranch was rumoured to be triggered by change - at least back when it was particularly active between 1994 to 1997. When NIDS arrived in 1996, they deliberately caused a bit of a racket, such as digging up the ground in particular hot-spots - almost equivalent to rattling a tin cup across the bars of a prison cell. Whether that motivated the 'entity''s extreme intensity of activity during 1997 in particular is open to question.

Also possibly open to question is the advice given to the Shermans in 1994 by the previous owners to NOT dig the ground. Rumours abound that this was entirely untrue, but I haven't pursued that angle yet.

You should probably watch Corbell's documentary. I surrendered and watched it. He's a bit of a goof, but there is new information and some corroboration of things described in the Kelleher book.

I resisted throwing my money at it, but curiosity got the better of me. The interviews with Native Americans in the area were interesting and I have no doubt they were telling the truth.

It is another facet of the case and, ultimately, I'm satisfied with my purchase.

a reply to: mirageman

They saw nothing because events at the ranch are a sort of Double-Slit experiment.

The act of observing affects what happens. The phenomenon is in full control of what happens and when.

I don't believe for one second that the Sherman's cooked up the story to inflate the value of the property. That makes no sense at all. I don't recall any evidence that they tried to sell the property to anyone prior to the NIDS people getting involved. The logical course of action would have been to just place the ranch up for sale and move on. They had sunk their savings into it and they would have faired far better to have kept any stories of odd happenings quite and sold it off to another rancher.