Why Excessive Socialism Doesn't Work

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: ScepticScot

The adoption of a standard money isn't an organic event, it's firmly driven by taxation.

Income taxation didnt come about till after the 1st world war and yet money was printed long before that.
Maybe you;re not explaining yourself well?

Taxation has been around for lot longer than income tax. Income tax is actually one of the worst for driving demand for money.

As the world becomes more robotic, automated, and AI driven, social policies will be necessary in a world with fewer human jobs. Corporations that have zero employees and 50 robots doing what 200 humans would have done need to be taxed at a high rate to pay for social policies. It's not socialism per say but it's a quasi capitalist system with heavy social polices.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: ScepticScot

Unlimited supply - new coins don't need to offer anything new, they just need to offer the same and get enough people to initially accept them (which can easily be manipulated). The supply is therefore effectively unlimited.

And this hits the nail on the head of what governments actually do - they pay off todays debts in the future by inflating the economy, a further debt robbing the worker of his future work/output through his future "tax paying" capability.

Since we can't send goods through time (Deloreans excepted) the output of a future workforce will still belong to them.

Why anything doesn't work:

Because humans.
Communism. Capitalism. Socialism. ALL THE ISM's.
They're all flawed because someone always wants more than the next guy. Someone always wants power.

Always going to be like this until we see a massive change in thinking from the majority of humans.

All humans are never going to truly be equal if we keep doing things the way we've always done them.

Most want to follow the past of least resistance. Taking the hard path is hard, even if it will lead to a better life.

People want a better life. But not if it means making some sacrifices.... we want reward, not risk.

For me it's as simple as that. Kind of depresses me some.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Do you know the difference between utilitarianism and socialism?

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

The fluoridation thing is shady to begin with, and I think that they use that argument as a means to the real end of poisoning us as well as in general sedating us, as that was what it was reportedly used for in the concentration camps.
I live in a community now where they are not fluoridating the water. It should be outlawed really.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: oldcarpy

No, they didn't bring the country to its knees, the refusal of the government to DO AS IT IS DAMNED WELL TOLD is what bought the nation to its knees, and as for underground drivers, let me make something perfectly clear. Having as many passengers as they do, as many responsibilities as they do, and being exposed to suicides, people bursting up the front of their trains, or ground to paste beneath its wheels, as well as being exposed by a lack of proper policing to abuse and risk of injury by passengers, is WELL worth the money they get, and a better pension package than they have access to as well. You can argue till you are blue in the face, but here is the real rub.

When you see an underground driver doing "well" for themselves, your obligation is not to think "Screw that guy for getting what he is owed". It is instead to think "Good, thats one group of people sorted, now, lets clobber the government and the corporations, until EVERYONE gets treated right for the work they do, until NO ONE goes hungry just because the government and businesses have not provided enough opportunity, or because they happen to be too sick or disabled to perform a job role."

Stand WITH the people, not against them, for crying out loud.

What are these Tube drivers' responsibilities, exactly? The tube trains are automated. No steering and the trains go and stop automatically. They are quite safe in their driver's cabs.

What was the Govt told to do and by whom?