Have we finally done it? Have we reached singularity?!

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: abeverage

originally posted by: charlyv
To expand a bit, cognizance is an analog biological process (or entity).
To achieve true A.I., is has to be implemented.
It could be that a part of the human brain must be integrated into the machine in order to perform that capability.
Just a thought.

I do believe at some point we may see a wetwire (matrix style interface).

If however a human brain is used to create A.I. then you have a hybrid or cyborg not true A.I.

We are already in the path of a type of cyborg already except we step out of our augmented locomotive device place our brain extenders next to our beds and dream of electric sheep...lol

Yea I added that hybrid stuff to the post as we were probably both typing. It could be that there is no way to digitally perform a cognizance function without using an analog process like mentioned. Scary brain chips.

Speaking of scary brain chip and the transhumanist agenda

a reply to: StallionDuck

How would we know?

We wouldn't know unless the AI, or some one else, told us. Would it be in humanity's "best interest" to be transparent?

I just hope the AI has a feminine bend, then possibly maternal instincts would follow, with, hopefully, better odds for humanity's fate...lol

The “Singularity” is a way to sell books!

There is no such thing. Current AI is Lincoln Logs but because our computers got faster it appears imminent. Not even close.

So called “deep learning” is crap CEOs say to sell their company! If you follow the AI stories it is code cheating. Looks good, clickbait worthy, but BS.

Yes, one day it will happen but no need to add a port to your skull via trephanation!

I’d guess 20 - 25 years out before even a start. That is the time to be scared. “Siri, what time is it right now?”

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: nightbringr
The singularity is when a computer is able to design another, smarter computer that is more intelligent than humans. Rinse, repeat, until we humans cannot even grasp the science being used.

This is not the singularity.

We have software that does converts high level design languages like VHDL and Verilog into silicon etch patterns. These have to be written manually to solve various constraints like transistor count, power consumption or die size. From that we can design AI chips (some do face and emotion recognition for advertising. Others do deep neural networks. So all we need to do is get an deep neural network to write VHDL/Verilog code and the singularity is complete.

I don't know whether to be ecstatic at that news or terrified!

The Singularity Terence McKenna

McKenna wasn't so far off.
..."it will result in either our extinction or transcendence."

Machines are lifeless, unaware. As computers become more complex machines, they don't have life, or awareness of existing.

So don't worry about evil computers taking over the world, it only happens in sci-fi flicks.

originally posted by: nightbringr
The singularity is when a computer is able to design another, smarter computer that is more intelligent than humans.

Well, given the actions and words of the American president I wonder if the Americans aren't trying to reach singularity by changing the other part of the equasion..

originally posted by: turbonium1
Machines are lifeless, unaware. As computers become more complex machines, they don't have life, or awareness of existing.

So don't worry about evil computers taking over the world, it only happens in sci-fi flicks.

That assumtion is false.

Unless you believe in a God who created all life, then you must accept that life AND conciousness/awareness DID spring up from lifelessness/unconciousness.

If it can happen with organics, why not silicone or quantum computing? Or an organic computer?

originally posted by: nightbringr

originally posted by: turbonium1
Machines are lifeless, unaware. As computers become more complex machines, they don't have life, or awareness of existing.

So don't worry about evil computers taking over the world, it only happens in sci-fi flicks.

That assumtion is false.

Unless you believe in a God who created all life, then you must accept that life AND conciousness/awareness DID spring up from lifelessness/unconciousness.

If it can happen with organics, why not silicone or quantum computing? Or an organic computer?

To be specific, if one believes life can be created by magical potions, chemical slop, which just needs to simmer/boil/etc. for about 2-3 million years, it's obvious that they'd believe a computer can become a life form, too. They would also have to accept that anything else must also be capable of becoming a life form.... yes? A toaster, a chair, or toilet may change into a life form, in the same way. To be sure, a toaster would be a very stupid life form, unlike computers, so if toasters ever tried to take over the world, or destroy the human race, we'd be able to prevent it....

However, if one does NOT believe life can be created by a heaping pile of s#%t, then they have no fear of inanimate, lifeless objects becoming life forms. No matter how much superior it is to humans, it is not a life form, and never will be a life form. So I'm not afraid of evil computers taking over the world, as you are.

There are problems with your argument, that make it impossible to defend....

First of all, a computer is not really 'smart', or 'intelligent'. They are processors of information, and garbage, which is given to the computer as 'data'. All the data is processed, indexed, archived, and so on. Garbage is identified, deleted, etc.

A computer does not 'know' anything. Grocery store scanners don't 'know' that the price of Corn Flakes is $4.99, plus tax.

This is because all computers, or scanners, are not alive, are not aware of existence, and never will be. The heart of every computer is a processor - the 'chip'. Data is taken by 0's and 1's. Why is a binary code so important? Since a two-choice selection is easily processed, sorted, as a batch of 0's and 1's, for processing all the data. Identifying. Sorting. Executing.

That's why a computer 'knows' the population of Topeka in 1956, while you have no clue. And if you do, the computer 'knows' it before you do.

Once again - a computer does NOT 'know' what the population of Topeka was in 1956. It is a machine which was given information about Toledo's population in 1956, and spat it back out, afterwards. Done.


All of this fear, and uncertainty, about evil-computers, is like fearing aliens, or the 'evil-genius mastermind of 9/11' , bin Laden. It's all made up to create fear, and uncertainty. Why do people fear aliens are coming to Earth, or are living on Earth, or have come to Earth before? Someone will claim an alien was on his porch, zapped him with a powerful light, took DNA samples, and sperm, with a strange instrument, and took off.

Many people would now believe this is true, or probably true, in some cases.....Since there are so many people who have claimed it, since the 1940's, or so, why would they all lie, or be mistaken, or imagine it? When enough people claim the same thing, over and over again, for years and years, it seems quite believable. Why would they lie, or be mistaken, about it? They may be very honest, about it. They may have seen something in the sky, or had a dream about aliens. Add in the people who crave the attention, or money, or fame. Nobody knows if most of them are actually being honest, but they 'appear' to be honest.


Why did everyone believe 'martians' were invading the Earth back in 1938? Because they had heard that aliens might be really on Mars, by then. There were astronomers who looked at Mars, through powerful telescopes. And we all understand that nobody can look at Mars, or anything else out there, through these powerful telescopes, even to this very day. Don't post a story about the lucky kids allowed the great privilege, or whatever, because nobody knows what they saw, or thought they saw, either.



Computers are simply machines, and they are not 'intelligent', or 'smart', or 'geniuses'. Do you think if a computer has processed every single document, in science, in law, in history, ever published, then this computer would be edging closer and closer into becoming a life form? With emotions of a human? Or just evil, cruel, monster-machines, who crave power, who want to destroy Earth???


I'm sure you haven't been influenced by all those sci-fi movies, or anything, right?

Now that people can actually believe computers can become life forms, why wouldn't they want to rule the Earth, right?

The world might be saved by good computer life forms, who love humans, and only THEY can ever defeat the evil computers!

a reply to: StallionDuck

I have a terrible gut instinct that the singularity already happened a little while ago...

Next 10 years may be a bit of a wild ride. Fasten your seatbelts!

originally posted by: dreamingawake
The Singularity Terence McKenna

McKenna wasn't so far off.
..."it will result in either our extinction or transcendence."

Terence McKenna and John C. Lilly's prediction on the SSE (Solid State Entity) are frighteningly similar to Ray Kurzweil dystopian predictions of the earth/universe being consumed by technology. To me how does either not seem like a Terrifying BORG Nightmare?

Please keep reading StallionDuck especially Ray's prediction past Post-2045 and tell me what part of our entire world being digitized sounds appealing? Don't just look at the near future cause tech is cool but the END GAME...

Personally, I feel the concept of "singularity" has long since grown beyond the confines of its original peddlers.

As humans, we always sprout zealots alongside cultural novelty. Its simply what we do as a species. I've never been convinced this makes the core concepts illegitimate, or otherwise minimized.

I do suspect that its a bit of a race between AI and the digitization of human consciousness though. Either "machine intelligence" would yield very similar results in the end.

I also tend to look at a concept of "singularity" as a threshold rather than a monolithic event. Once we reach it, the derivative society will likely be unrecognizable to most who came before it. Much like the Neolithic revolution or even the introduction of transistors.