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You are all missing the whole point.

This is not about some cultural differences or racism or excluding people or sins of the white man and colonisatation or whatever. It's not about the people or the immigrants or the systems.

This is about islam. A very very driven, motivated, well funded political ideology that seeks to establish it's doctrine across the entire western world. It very literally is the death of democracy and human rights that western civilisation holds as foundations to our entire culture. It's very very important for the future of mankind that islam fails it's goal.

There is nothing on Earth more diametrically opposed to leftist ideology than islam. Nothing. Yet they defend it.
An ideology that is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT opposed to EVERYTHING the left 'claims' to stand for. No matter what you see of them in public and among friends. They don't support women being allowed to go out drinking on her own at a club, they don't support gay rights, they support islam. And when islam is the majority, they'll be islamic and you will not.

The left can not be so thick as to believe that islam will not take over their country's political system. That very occurance is the openly stated goal of every islamist on Earth. The spread of islam is the whole point. Gain population majority through immigration and birth rates, use the democratic system against the host country and become voted into power (if an 'islamic party' wanted to form, the left would applaud it), install islamic laws and make islam the law of the land.

THATS what they DO! I cannot believe the left would want that. Why would you imbeciles support or defend such a thing? Is it just to 'get back at those bigots on the right'? It's insane. Totally insane. Have you people ever SEEN an islamic political system? Ever seen an islamic country?

You pathetically believe the right-wing of democracy wants to eliminate gay rights, then you defend islam. You scream about equal rights for women, then you defend islam. You stand up for rights of all minorities, then you defend islam. In fact, EVERYTHING the left claims to be defenders of is 100% opposed to the most moderate of islamic beliefs.

The left need to embrace this man. The country and indeed the whole of Western Society needs to take this opportunity, while the 'right wing' has still got the voice and the conviction to ensure that this ideology, this killer of civilisations, is stopped in it's tracks before it gets a foothold. Because a foothold is all it needs. It's absolute goal is to destroy our democracies and instill theirs. And thery're actively working toward that goal while we're all sitting here with the fricken looney left.

Islam does NOT want multi culturalism. You allow islam in and islam WILL become majority. When islam is majority there with be NO multiculturalism, there will just be islam. Take your shades off islam is bad. Like the KKK, like the nazis. It's a culture that you do NOT want your grandchildren to live in.

And don't even tyry claiming racism. Less than half of all muslims on Earth are Arabic or Middle Eastern. Islam is not a race. Neither is Christianity. I can convert to islam and that would make me a muslim. I cannot convert to 'negro' can I?

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Can I convert to 'negro'?

Apparently. Rachel Dolezal and this German lady Martina Adam,
thegrapevine.theroot.com... -woman-completes-her-transition-into-a-blac-1796362130
And Negro??...really?? how old are you and are you from the states or a non English country, that's so archaic.

a reply to: Breakthestreak

How do you know Islam doesn't tolerate me? Seems a rather idiotic statement to make since I'm fairly certain you don't know me nor my interactions with people of the Islamic faith or the communities that are predominantly Islamic.

I never mentioned racism I did however allude to the misconception that Muslims are brown, Christians are white and that Europe is a white Christian land.

Idiotic assumptions made by poorly informed people. I hear Christianity is big in Africa and South America for instance, hardly "the lands of the white" these continents are they?

I can decide for my self what to tolerate thank you, I'm grateful for your concern in regards to my well-being though.

As is though I'll tolerate all religions that tolerate mine, I'll tolerate all ideologies that do not commit me to the choice of convert or die.

Seems my choice of religion and interaction is mine, I like my freedom.

Thanks.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: RAY1990

Don't be a # racist.

Not all Muslim's are terrorists ....... but most terrorist's are Muslim .......

Is that racist?

No it's an opinion.

Being a white Englishman it's also factually incorrect for me, the IRA were a lot worse in these lands.

It would be like me saying inflation is killing the UK economy then proceeding to post statistics on the Turkish economy.

a reply to: Freeborn

Genocidal Christians? 
Please explain. 

Are you saying all Christians are 'genocidal'? 
Are you saying only Christians are 'genocidal'? 
What exactly does 'genocidal' mean? 

I'd really like you to expand on that one sentence. 

Of course I'm not saying all Christians are genocidal (as in partaking in the practice of eliminating types of people) I was stating, clearly without going into enough detail that Christians have done such things in the past. I wasn't intending my comments to be a lesson in history but we can go their if you wish.

Whether it be Protestant or Catholic doing the killing and systematic abuse of others deemed lesser, it's been done, historically.

I know you know this freeborn. It's been done in Europe and in more foreign lands.

Including Islam? 
Guess what the Mullahs will say about that? 

I'm open to the reasoning of how my words can be misconstrued. I'm actually of the opinion that an individual should have the right to practice whatever religion they choose within the confines of law. No more no less. Religious practices that are considered illegal shouldn't be practiced.

Since I'm British my opinion only relates to Britain.

Again, please explain yourself. 
Do you mean 'westerners' aren't allowed to 'practice their own cultures' or are in some other way incapable of doing so? 

Hell no, I celebrate the fall with a feast, Christians do too. In lesser words than this I was saying that western culture, if you wish to call it that is being forgotten or not practiced. Personally I feel this is more due to civilization as a whole and how we are moving forward. Things such as the commercialisation of dates of importance whilst diluting the message and reasoning behind such events.

Remember remember the 5th of November?

Looking for scapegoats? 
Like who and why exactly do 'we' need scapegoats? 
A bit of plain speaking would be appreciated. 

Now now Freeborn, I've always respected you, it's good to see you on these boards again. Always loved the name too, guessing it's based on John?

Anyways, I can't imagine that you're ignorant to public opinion and how the general public love a scapegoat to blame for their perceived ills... I can elaborate but I feel it's not necessary.

Genocidal Christians? 
Please explain. 

Are you saying all Christians are 'genocidal'? 
Are you saying only Christians are 'genocidal'? 
What exactly does 'genocidal' mean? 

I'd really like you to expand on that one sentence. 

Indeed they do have thick skin, hence the footing and tongue in cheeck attitude I came forth with in this thread, sometimes it triggers good thought and dialogue and thus we all learn.

Australia isn't just white European, it's also white African too... Just sticking to the white folk here BTW. I know several white Afrikaans living in Australia today that would laugh at the misconception that they are white European stock(they are historically), they'd argue that was a long time ago, they've lived in Africa for 300+ years and consider their heritage as such... Considering some of these African settlers did so because of religious strife here in Europe, they feel kinda funny being compared to Europeans or even one denotation of Christianity.

But meh, they are but minorities... With that said, so was my family in a historical sense within the UK. Makes our rights and beliefs no lesser than anyone else's.

Most religions by their very nature are 'invasive', why be so particularly damning about just one religion. 
And almost every single religion has tried to eradicate other religions, that's not a trait exclusive to Christianity, far from it. 

I fully agree, it's in my nature to counterbalance an argument, since this is a thread about "white European Christian settlers" it was an obvious conclusion from what angle I would play my counter argument.

I'll refer to my earlier comment "ban religion" in hopes that you'll understand where I'm coming from. I was attempting to keep my post short and sour.

Seems long posts are often not read by a large percentage here at ATS, guess that's another aspect of the modern world? I digress.

Enlighten us, which lessons would they be? 

I unfortunately don't remember my trail of thought, guess it was fleeting and unimportant, it'll return.

It was most likely the demonization if the new comer or the outsider and the minorities. I'll return to this if you wish.

History teaches us many, many things - the vast majority of us cherry pick which lessons we want to learn from to justify our already entrenched beliefs and opinions.....pretty damning, but true.

True.

We can all be guilty of that, I'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise about myself.

I'm not entrenched and my opinions and beliefs are willing to change, it's part of learning.

That's actually what I want out of life, to perceive and know... I want others to too.

I'm not that proud or egotistical that I can never be proven wrong. On the contrary, I look forward to such things.

Anyways all the best, I hope I went into enough detail on my reasoning, thoughts and opinions.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
You are all missing the whole point.

This is not about some cultural differences or racism or excluding people or sins of the white man and colonisatation or whatever. It's not about the people or the immigrants or the systems.

This is about islam. A very very driven, motivated, well funded political ideology that seeks to establish it's doctrine across the entire western world. It very literally is the death of democracy and human rights that western civilisation holds as foundations to our entire culture. It's very very important for the future of mankind that islam fails it's goal.

There is nothing on Earth more diametrically opposed to leftist ideology than islam. Nothing. Yet they defend it.
An ideology that is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT opposed to EVERYTHING the left 'claims' to stand for. No matter what you see of them in public and among friends. They don't support women being allowed to go out drinking on her own at a club, they don't support gay rights, they support islam. And when islam is the majority, they'll be islamic and you will not.

The left can not be so thick as to believe that islam will not take over their country's political system. That very occurance is the openly stated goal of every islamist on Earth. The spread of islam is the whole point. Gain population majority through immigration and birth rates, use the democratic system against the host country and become voted into power (if an 'islamic party' wanted to form, the left would applaud it), install islamic laws and make islam the law of the land.

THATS what they DO! I cannot believe the left would want that. Why would you imbeciles support or defend such a thing? Is it just to 'get back at those bigots on the right'? It's insane. Totally insane. Have you people ever SEEN an islamic political system? Ever seen an islamic country?

You pathetically believe the right-wing of democracy wants to eliminate gay rights, then you defend islam. You scream about equal rights for women, then you defend islam. You stand up for rights of all minorities, then you defend islam. In fact, EVERYTHING the left claims to be defenders of is 100% opposed to the most moderate of islamic beliefs.

The left need to embrace this man. The country and indeed the whole of Western Society needs to take this opportunity, while the 'right wing' has still got the voice and the conviction to ensure that this ideology, this killer of civilisations, is stopped in it's tracks before it gets a foothold. Because a foothold is all it needs. It's absolute goal is to destroy our democracies and instill theirs. And thery're actively working toward that goal while we're all sitting here with the fricken looney left.

Islam does NOT want multi culturalism. You allow islam in and islam WILL become majority. When islam is majority there with be NO multiculturalism, there will just be islam. Take your shades off islam is bad. Like the KKK, like the nazis. It's a culture that you do NOT want your grandchildren to live in.

And don't even tyry claiming racism. Less than half of all muslims on Earth are Arabic or Middle Eastern. Islam is not a race. Neither is Christianity. I can convert to islam and that would make me a muslim. I cannot convert to 'negro' can I?

Absolutely Nailed It - Best thing I've read all day!

a reply to: RAY1990


First of all, thank you for your detailed reply.

And it would seem we have more in common than it first appeared.

Of course I'm not saying all Christians are genocidal (as in partaking in the practice of eliminating types of people) I was stating, clearly without going into enough detail that Christians have done such things in the past. I wasn't intending my comments to be a lesson in history but we can go their if you wish.

The important thing in that statement is in the past.

Barring a very small handful of 'nut jobs' its been quite a while since atrocities have been carried out in the name of Christianity.
Christianity has a history of persecution etc that can equal most religions but nowadays I can't really recall any action that has been carried out specifically in the name of Christianity, political ideology yes but not specifically Christianity.

Christianity seems to have moved on and adapted, possibly because its had to because its been losing its relevance and influence.

Whether it be Protestant or Catholic doing the killing and systematic abuse of others deemed lesser, it's been done, historically.

Historically.
Despite lingering differences it seems they aren't actually doing much killing of each other at present.
Lets hope it remains that way.

I'm actually of the opinion that an individual should have the right to practice whatever religion they choose within the confines of law.

Of course they should.
If only Islam would preach that.

Most countries whose laws and morals are based in Christianity allow for freedom of worship.
Most Islamic base countries don't.

Since I'm British my opinion only relates to Britain.

I'm English and British....our opinions, as long as they are reasoned and considered, have merit regardless what country it may relate to.

Remember remember the 5th of November?

I was also raised Catholic.

Now now Freeborn, I've always respected you, it's good to see you on these boards again.

Thank you, that's very kind.
Hopefully I'll be about a bit more often.

Always loved the name too, guessing it's based on John?

Very impressed.
Not many people at all have made that connection.

Indeed they do have thick skin, hence the footing and tongue in cheeck attitude I came forth with in this thread, sometimes it triggers good thought and dialogue and thus we all learn.

Sometimes its necessary to provoke to get a response.

But meh, they are but minorities... With that said, so was my family in a historical sense within the UK. Makes our rights and beliefs no lesser than anyone else's.

All my Grandparents were Irish Catholics.
Catholics - the largest minority in the UK and the only one legally discriminated against - a topic for another thread methinks.

I'll refer to my earlier comment "ban religion" in hopes that you'll understand where I'm coming from. I was attempting to keep my post short and sour.

Can't agree with banning anything.

Personally I'm agnostic - why worry about something that is unprovable?
I live my life in accordance with my own moral code and its how I live my life that counts, no adherence to some obscure man made dogma.

I'm certain any form of omniscient, omnipotent being would see that.

Seems long posts are often not read by a large percentage here at ATS, guess that's another aspect of the modern world? I digress.

I do.
Sorry I had to cherry pick parts from your post to reply to but otherwise it would have been a tediously long reply.

I've just got in from the pub but I thought your post warranted a reply straight away.

I unfortunately don't remember my trail of thought, guess it was fleeting and unimportant, it'll return.

Happens to me all the time, goes hand in hand with worryingly advancing years.

I'm not entrenched and my opinions and beliefs are willing to change, it's part of learning.

Indeed.
And I hope I'm not too entrenched in my viewpoint....but I am getting quite cynical.

That's actually what I want out of life, to perceive and know... I want others to too.

Challenge everything and please, please have an opinion - far too many people don't.

Anyways all the best, I hope I went into enough detail on my reasoning, thoughts and opinions.

You did.
And all the best to you - maybe one day we'll argue the toss and put the world to rights over a few glasses.

a reply to: Azureblue

a one way street,

Yes - police will stop people filming and walking down certain streets in the name of not offending Muslims

a reply to: Azureblue

This is the reason they were sent here. This is why they are were selected by those who planned, organized, paid for and transported them all here and to Sweden, Norway, Germany, Spain, Greece and other countries as well.

Couldn't agree more. What better way to control the population then to rid them of their value system.

Islam means submission.

a reply to: Breakthestreak

half the posts mentioned the Aborigines the past and more whataboutisms. LOL

Thank you for your post. People who think Islam is benign and can co-exist are fooling themselves.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
This is about islam. A very very driven, motivated, well funded political ideology that seeks to establish it's doctrine across the entire western world. It very literally is the death of democracy and human rights that western civilisation holds as foundations to our entire culture. It's very very important for the future of mankind that islam fails it's goal.

There is nothing on Earth more diametrically opposed to leftist ideology than islam. Nothing. Yet they defend it.
An ideology that is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT opposed to EVERYTHING the left 'claims' to stand for. No matter what you see of them in public and among friends. They don't support women being allowed to go out drinking on her own at a club, they don't support gay rights, they support islam. And when islam is the majority, they'll be islamic and you will not.

The left can not be so thick as to believe that islam will not take over their country's political system. That very occurance is the openly stated goal of every islamist on Earth. The spread of islam is the whole point. Gain population majority through immigration and birth rates, use the democratic system against the host country and become voted into power (if an 'islamic party' wanted to form, the left would applaud it), install islamic laws and make islam the law of the land.

Sounds like you just described Christianity to me. The way I see it, if as a liberal, I can co-exist with Christians then I can co-exist with Muslims.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Sounds like you just described Christianity to me. The way I see it, if as a liberal, I can co-exist with Christians then I can co-exist with Muslims.

Yes, you can co-exist with Muslims.....as long as they remain an insignificant minority......but, as per historical examples and current ones like England and some municipalities in Melbourne, once their number increase to a point where they can use our Democracy to vote against us, that is where the slippery downhill slope begins. and it is the highest form of ignorance to not see or accept that.

Not compatible with Democratic Western Society and everything that we have built this place up to be now......

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Being an actual European so am I.

It isn't foreigners destroying western history and culture it's westerners inability to practice their own cultures whilst looking for scapegoats to blame.

Hahaha, still laughing at the "European Christian background" quote, it was an invasive religion that did it's best to eradicate the more native beliefs of the day. Personally I love the ironic lessons history teaches.

I'm all for protecting our European Western heritage.

Genuinely, which one?

Laughs on you. Were it not for the church native Europeans would all be Muslims today. Many are loathe to admit it but the Catholic church formed the basis for Western societies and was key in developing everything from art to engineering, astronomy, agriculture (the monks), music, law (cannon law), architecture - all those things we take for granted. The Protestant revolution led to current ideals of individual freedom and liberty. Together they created the kind of society people from all over the world clamor to get to.

We all know the negatives of Western culture and the destruction of indigenous people but it seems no one wants to give credit where due for all the good things we enjoy. Bushmen are still free to go wander the Outback if they desire but most want air conditioning, food on demand and an Iphone.

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

Wait. Citizens vote to change things to the way they want in a Democracy? And you are pitching this as a problem just because it is things YOU don't like? I mean, without speaking to what you think these Muslims are allegedly voting for, you are basically supporting authoritarianism against a group of people because you disagree with them. Which, ironically, is the exact OPPOSITE of the democracy you are pretending to defend.

a reply to: Freeborn

Cheers for the detailed reply, hopefully I'll get the chance to reply more thoroughly but for now I'll just say it seems we agree on many points.

People are individuals, it's sad when aspects of a person are used to define them, whether it be skin colour, religion or place of birth. Don't get me wrong, all too often people fulfill the stereotype associated with them.

We often assume too much.

You did. 
And all the best to you - maybe one day we'll argue the toss and put the world to rights over a few glasses. 

I'd enjoy that I often find wisdom in a pint of beer or two.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

I'm well aware of our cultural and technological history and yes, a good portion of it has been inspired or directly created by religious institutions.

But at the same time I'd argue that much that was worked out or developed was done before... The Renaissance was after all a rebirth. It's worth mentioning that period when considering the dark ages because when the Romans disappeared (or evolved) many Europeans had to claw their way out of the age they found themselves in it did happen to be the church that retained, refined and shared/used that knowledge.

Point being, Christianity has been a major part of western evolution... I'd be wilfully ignorant to deny that. But that's our world, the world we find ourselves in.

Other worlds have and do exist, humans are fascinating in that we often come to the same conclusions and works even if the outcomes can be radically different in practice. As humans we are all the same. We adapt to the world we live in.

Variation is a brilliant thing.

In essence it's why I find comments like what this thread is about rather abhorrent, it's basically stereotyping of "white christian europeans" in a positive nature. It's ignorance really.

But of course, yes. As a white European I'm not detested by Christianity, far from it actually. I posted with a stance that can clearly be misconstrued, I'm not offended by Christianity. I'm probably a bit peeved about what's been done in the name of Jesus though, that extends to "followers" who are bigoted, xenophobic, racist and practice jingoism. Kinda the opposite of Christianity in my eyes bit then again I wouldn't really know.

I'm not a Christian.