InfoWars Banned from Facebook and iTunes

Let me see if I understand this correctly...

People are OK with Trump threatening to take "press credentials" and shut down a network like CNN. They themselves are OK with that level of censorship and removal of free speech.. and even call for networks like CNN and the Washington Post to be shut down.

Yet they cry foul, censorship and removal of free speech when PRIVATE COMPANIES shut off access to a single deranged lunatic, who posts things MUCH worse, and MUCH more ridiculous than any other MSM source.

Seriously? Just LOL - you folks are hilarious. ATS abounds with hypocrisy and double-standards.

a reply to: fleabit

And your a member.

We are all like that so you can feel better about yourself.

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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Keyword is COMPANIES. They are free to decide who they want to do business with. Infowars is still up , yes ? You could argue the free speech angle if had they taken down infowars. But they havent. Alex Gay frog Jones is still free to post whatever crap he wants on the internet, just not on youtube,facebook or Apple. So there is no nazi germany methods or repression of free speech.

I don't know anything about nazi germany but this is clear repression of free speech. It happens quite often lately, to lesser known individuals. Also to some high profile conservatives. In fact, it's becoming a trend. Who's next?

Keyword is COMPANIES. And that's the problem. These handful of companies monopolize the public square. In Alex Jones's case the all banned him within 12 hours of one another. They are obviously working together as a group like a cartel. Similar to the way the top media conglomerates work together to control the news and all other information.

They are private companies so what is the solution? 2 choices. We can bust them up in an attempt to diversify the market or we can regulate. We can regulate them like a public utility. Up until now we tried to avoid these options but they abuse their position. All these "mistakes" with algorithms. Algorithm is a guy from the ADL or SPLC holding a red pencil. That's the algorithm. Time for these companies to straighten up or face the music.

originally posted by: NJE777
a reply to: fleabit

And your a member.

We are all like that so you can feel better about yourself.

😎

It's just funny to me how mass censorship and removal of entire media sources is "OK" for people here, if they are not conservative. Even if the government were to carry it out. Yet the same people go off the deep end when the joke of a radio host gets banned for his hate-tirades from private sites.

a reply to: fleabit

Funny, I don't recall anyone openly calling for that and I'm a regular visitor. If there are it likely makes up a very small perentage.

I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill and if people want to weigh the credibility and authenticity of Jones and CNN neither will come out a clear winner.

originally posted by: fleabit
Let me see if I understand this correctly...

People are OK with Trump threatening to take "press credentials" and shut down a network like CNN. They themselves are OK with that level of censorship and removal of free speech.. and even call for networks like CNN and the Washington Post to be shut down.

Yet they cry foul, censorship and removal of free speech when PRIVATE COMPANIES shut off access to a single deranged lunatic, who posts things MUCH worse, and MUCH more ridiculous than any other MSM source.

Seriously? Just LOL - you folks are hilarious. ATS abounds with hypocrisy and double-standards.

No one had threatened to shut down CNN or removed any press credentials from them.
There is no comparison here.

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
This is like Infowars is banned from youtube, twitter, etc., too!

How could Infowars stay online?!

I know.

By doing their own website!

How simple!
How independent!

Yes, I am mocking this whole thread pushing content providers to provide content they do not want to provide. Because it is not their job. But neither is Infowars BANNED from being online.

Paypal, stripe, think mastercard too, they've been seen banning conservatives, or so it is said. As have several advertisers. How long before they too cut ties with alex? You know it takes money to operate a big platform. For how long could he keep his online site if people can't buy his products? Which is only a matter of time before payment processors follow suit as they've done with other conservatives.

How long before his hosting is also cut?

The problem you don't see is that these companies have an oligopoly on online public spaces. IF free speech alternatives were allowed to compete, we could be talking. But free speech alternatives are banned by financing platforms like paypal and stripe.

How about mobile presence, has he been banned from mobile? You know google and apple own the mobile marketplaces as I said previously.

a reply to: Konduit

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Does this ban say something about social media, AJ or society in general. Corp's #1 goal is to make money. If hosting AJ loses them dough then this makes sense. That also extrapolates to their audience. So maybe it's society behind their move to do this.

originally posted by: TheSpanishArcher
a reply to: Swills

Still a bunch of apps on my Android for Alex Jones and Infowars.

For how long?

originally posted by: GeechQuestInfo

originally posted by: Saiker
a reply to: SailorJerry

At what point does a private company become a monopoly over the majority of free speech.

Never, if you understand what free speech is.

No company controls your freedom of speech and it’s absolutely eye opening how many people (yes, you’re included) either skipped this day in school or had dropped out by the time they got around to this subject. You’re conflating two absolutely separate things.

You don't seem to understand what social media is.

If the vast majority of people talk and express themselves on a particular platform or platforms, that is the space where they share and communicate ideas. It is a travesty such spaces are now partisan private property. And it is a travesty alternatives are demonetized and censored.

They censor sharing of links, censor speech promoting them, wouldn't surprise if search results are also distorted. They are fake social media were true social communication is controlled and regulated and distorted through censoring and fake trending, they control trending, and real social media sites are demonetized and chastised.

If they are going to be partisan and censor and shadow ban, they should be forced to disclose that, and not make lies of omission by keeping it secret. How many would abandon their platforms if it became publicly known they take such partisan views?

originally posted by: GeechQuestInfo

originally posted by: Spacespider
Does not matter if you know, or liked info wars.. what matters is this is the beginning to silence free speech on the internet.
So I guess we should all be angry about this and demand free speech, but hay.. they start off slow with wiping out some lesser know sources and then slowly but surly creating a global controlled platform of information.
This is just the beginning.

Silence free speech on the internet? Are you no longer able to access Inforwars’ website?

I’m late to the party and on page 3 but this seems to be the sentiment. That Alex had his right to free speech taken away. I don’t listen to his show anymore, but I’d LOVE to see him to push this as far as he could go in the judicial system. I believe he’d get all of nowhere with it, which is why he won’t.

He will tell his followers that his 1st amendment right is being violated, but won’t take any legal action because he’s actually a pretty smart guy and knows that what he says is bunk.

More offensive sites than jones have lost their hosting their hosting isn't guaranteed.

Other conservative outless have lost access to payment processors, and have had to close doors. How long until payment processors target him too? How long do you think alex can operate if his followers can't buy his products?

It is not just the big online platforms controlled by the radical left but hosting and payment platforms are also under their control and fighting free speech alternatives.

This vast collusion is A THREAT against free speech on the internet.

originally posted by: Xenogears
Other conservative outless have lost access to payment processors, and have had to close doors. How long until payment processors target him too? How long do you think alex can operate if his followers can't buy his products?

Sounds like Alex would be a victim of the free market then to me.

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

I fail to see this as a first amendment issue
AJ accepted (with approval) the T&C's, fully aware his rights to free expression would be limited.

Thing is the reason the guidelines are nebulous is so that they can ban conservatives while not banning radicals on the left like antifa.

If he does not violate the T&C and he is banned on ideological grounds what then? It is not the first time someone says Alex said X when he never said X. You can't be banned on made up hearsay, you have to be banned on actually breaking T&Cs. He has been heavily evaluated and has been on these sites for years, there is nothing new or far more radical that he has posted as compared to his usual and within T&C videos. It is a concerted attack, collusion, to remove him from all big platforms on groundless terms.

The only term they can use is "we may remove you at any time without reason or for any reason without need for explanation", which something like that is always sneaked into the T&C legalese.

a reply to: fleabit

Acting like the news and being a conspiracy site are two different things -if they gave Inforwars a press pass and Alex Jones stood 100 feet away yelling aliens and calling the president a coward, Trump would ban him too.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Xenogears
Other conservative outless have lost access to payment processors, and have had to close doors. How long until payment processors target him too? How long do you think alex can operate if his followers can't buy his products?

Sounds like Alex would be a victim of the free market then to me.

That’s a misunderstanding of the free market.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

The same can be said for literally every mainstream media outlet out there. The fact is these companies like google, facebook and youtube have monopolized free speech on the internet. They're a monopoly.

They also directly work with institutions of media and government to do this. All these companies banned AJ within the same day, and Democratic congressman Ted Deutch just last week called for these platforms to ban Infowars before the mid term elections. Really raises the question of collusion.

You think this is a coincidence? Wake up. We are reliving in a sad iteration of 1930's Germany all over again.

Keyword is COMPANIES.
They are free to decide who they want to do business with.
Infowars is still up , yes ?
You could argue the free speech angle if had they taken down infowars.
But they havent.
Alex Gay frog Jones is still free to post whatever crap he wants on the internet, just not on youtube,facebook or Apple.
So there is no nazi germany methods or repression of free speech.

They haven't YET. But what do you think will happen after the payment platforms demonetize them like they did to makersupport?

It should be noted that MakerSupport has not officially shut down. But, like Hatreon, it has gone dormant. Two weeks ago MakerSupport posted that its payment processor, Stripe, was conducting a “routine review … and put a short hold on payouts.” It claimed payouts would resume “in the next 4 to 5 days.” The post also promises a “big update coming soon.”-hornet.com

Paypal, Patreon, Stripe, Mastercard, have been seen banning conservatives, or so it is said. If payment processors ban you, you can't operate without money!

And again these are major public conversation spaces. It is a big issue if there isn't at least a disclaimer notifying people that they will be censored as conservatives and that the trending is a lie, that they shadow ban, etc.

You don't see issue with people thinking that they are freely sharing and things are naturally trending, when it is all a lie? When certain views are censored, certain individuals are banned, certain ideas that are kept from trending others that are not trending are falsely put into trending.

This mass control of the population's means of communication, is disgusting and disturbing. We need real social media sites not fake ones. Problem is payment platforms demonetizing alternatives as do several advertisers.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: fleabit
Let me see if I understand this correctly...

People are OK with Trump threatening to take "press credentials" and shut down a network like CNN. They themselves are OK with that level of censorship and removal of free speech.. and even call for networks like CNN and the Washington Post to be shut down.

Yet they cry foul, censorship and removal of free speech when PRIVATE COMPANIES shut off access to a single deranged lunatic, who posts things MUCH worse, and MUCH more ridiculous than any other MSM source.

Seriously? Just LOL - you folks are hilarious. ATS abounds with hypocrisy and double-standards.

No one had threatened to shut down CNN or removed any press credentials from them.
There is no comparison here.

or to ban cnn from twitter, facebook, ios, android, etc, etc, etc

originally posted by: intrepid
Does this ban say something about social media, AJ or society in general. Corp's #1 goal is to make money. If hosting AJ loses them dough then this makes sense. That also extrapolates to their audience. So maybe it's society behind their move to do this.

Companies filled with radical leftists are known to take moves that cost them millions of dollars. Putting radical SJW ideology on marvel comics and on star wars cost them millions of dollars. Yet they did it anyway.

If taking alex jones off, costs them millions, they may do it anyway. Ideology trumps money with some.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Xenogears
Other conservative outless have lost access to payment processors, and have had to close doors. How long until payment processors target him too? How long do you think alex can operate if his followers can't buy his products?

Sounds like Alex would be a victim of the free market then to me.

Aha, I hear getting a domain registrar corp going is like 200,000 to ask for approval and cannot be done until 2020, and then it will be vetted by private parties which may be radical leftist.

How free of the market does that sound?

The cost of creating a payment processor is very heavy, and requires lots of regulation. How free of the market.

You know when alex has the support of millions and yet, you are claiming keeping millions who support him, millions who want to buy his products from being able to buy them is free market. How ridiculous. Free market is consumer choice, when you put highly regulated intermediates that block consumer choice, that is the opposite of the free market.

originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: intrepid
Does this ban say something about social media, AJ or society in general. Corp's #1 goal is to make money. If hosting AJ loses them dough then this makes sense. That also extrapolates to their audience. So maybe it's society behind their move to do this.

Companies filled with radical leftists are known to take moves that cost them millions of dollars. Putting radical SJW ideology on marvel comics and on star wars cost them millions of dollars. Yet they did it anyway.

If taking alex jones off, costs them millions, they may do it anyway. Ideology trumps money with some.

I work for marvel, Sony, Disney on occasion. If they are losing money, then why are they still cranking out CGI shows, one after another? With so many in pre production and in production. If it's a SJW agenda...the American public love's it. You don't commit to a 20 mil show without expecting a return on your investment.

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Alex was a victim of his own silly BS not some media agenda. Capitalism....