What Alien desclosure are sceptics actually expecting?

a reply to: one4all

Truth be told all computers are modeled after the human form and all technology follows natures parameters and laws....including the technolgys so-called Aliens use....everyone must play by Mother Natures rules.

Basically I agree , but going deeper into science and physics it becomes clear to me that the so called laws of nature aren't really understood by science. Ask any scientist about the bigbang or blackholes. Is there consensus ? I don't thinks so. There are many conjectures and as time advances nature is filled with virtual particles and all kinds of darkmatter. Just because these entities provide a solution to an ever growing list of anomality's in our universe.

The simple notion science has the fundaments wrong is considered heretic in science. Exactly this is the reason that disclosure has to come from science first. Yes we have to play by Mother Natures rules.
But these rules aren't in my opinion the same as the incomplete rules of presentday physics because science hasn't advanced to a point that a real Theory of everything exists (as being part of public knowledge).
Add to that all the blackprojects in science and it becomes clear that science is steered by the same forces that kept humanity ignorant for centuries.

a reply to: andre18
If you immerse yourself in existing information on UFO's you may end up realizing that a secret military has all the crashed UFO's and has reverse engineered them, the POTUS is not in the need to know circle.
So disclosure will not come from the POTUS or the US government, if that ever happens it will come from a never heard 'secret' military branch...

Except for the occasional invocation of a supernatural entity to favor their continued existence, the government doesn't deal in metaphysics. Not in its wheelhouse.

It's really not their job to try to inform the public about the true nature of physical and non-physical reality, spacetime, perception, and the limits of human intelligence.

This subject comes up occasionally in other threads, and for me, most sightings on this site arent quite there. For example, the O'Hare sighting was interesting, and legit could be something, but I wouldnt go tell anyone to research it in order to convince them of visitation. What would put that case over the top? I know there was visibility concerns, but for me, it would have been really nice if the people in the tower got a look at it.

However there are cases that are over the top for me. Why not for others? Im sure there are many different reasons, ultimately people are wired differently like being conservative or poor soulless liberals...

If you search the interwebs, you will notice there are online communities who seem to thrive on being skeptical, kinda like fans of a sports team like the ebil patriots. They arent really interested in knowing the truth, just rather point out some quick fact they think disproves the sighting so they can move on to the next sighting and prove how truly skeptical they are, b/c thats really freaking important ! Till they get spoon fed 4k high rezz video, they arent believing...

Some cases I think are over the top...
Levelland 57 - Several motorist encounter a glowing sphere that stops their motor, police try to locate the object and also see it.
New Guinea 58 - Father Gill and others wave at the aliens
Westall 66. Daylight sighting of a drone like craft that levitates up on a school campus.
Colares 1977 - UFOs burning residents
Eupen 89,90 - (start in at 2:20min) start of the Belgium wave

originally posted by: frenchfries
a reply to: one4all

Truth be told all computers are modeled after the human form and all technology follows natures parameters and laws....including the technolgys so-called Aliens use....everyone must play by Mother Natures rules.

Basically I agree , but going deeper into science and physics it becomes clear to me that the so called laws of nature aren't really understood by science. Ask any scientist about the bigbang or blackholes. Is there consensus ? I don't thinks so. There are many conjectures and as time advances nature is filled with virtual particles and all kinds of darkmatter. Just because these entities provide a solution to an ever growing list of anomality's in our universe.

The simple notion science has the fundaments wrong is considered heretic in science. Exactly this is the reason that disclosure has to come from science first. Yes we have to play by Mother Natures rules.
But these rules aren't in my opinion the same as the incomplete rules of presentday physics because science hasn't advanced to a point that a real Theory of everything exists (as being part of public knowledge).
Add to that all the blackprojects in science and it becomes clear that science is steered by the same forces that kept humanity ignorant for centuries.

Nice synopsis of the current and historical state of suppressive affairs when we discuss how science has been globally bastardised using the privately owned publishing houses to control peer approved publications and papers hence the direction humanity many times goes in for better or for worse.

Truth be told Alchemy is closer to true science than what we call science,science is a path of most resistance and seeks to replicate nature and its processes artificially but Alchemy endorses use of technology but works WITH nature and simply polices existing processes as opposed to trying to replicate process and product.

The principals of natural law when honestly presented are extremely simple and basic and do not have to be cloaked in 1000 layers of misdirects.....extremely simple and basic and easily represented by basic symbolism.

Besides....LMAO...exactly how could any scientist alive backtrack to tell the truth about the source and origin of gold and what it can really do...as well as transmutation....none of them will ever do it unless they are forced to do it.

When they talk about Aliens, they probably talk about asteroids and the alien nations.

When they talk about asteroids and world peace...they are talking about Aliens...or interdimensiobal space fareries.

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: andre18

For one thing if the government wanted you to believe they didn't exist,first off making any info on them top secret,making ufo programs etc,nothing new the government must control everything

Maybe think about it like this, in no government system do all members agree on one single ideological agenda, unless it's religiously motivated. So there is most likely some disagreement within their goals of the agenda and it's also most likely that multiple governments world wide are involved in this cover up.

So the important point here to understand is, if any governments world wide wanted to open disclosure whilst being apart of this cover up, they would have to build enough influential power behind them that could balance this decision of disclosure in their favor. I believe this is an ongoing real process currently in motion.

I would advise you to believe in the possibility that such opposition exists and it will eventually and soon enough balance closer to our favor.

a reply to: one4all


a reply to: one4all

Truth be told Alchemy is closer to true science than what we call science,science is a path of most resistance and seeks to replicate nature and its processes artificially but Alchemy endorses use of technology but works WITH nature and simply polices existing processes as opposed to trying to replicate process and product.

Well right , and here there is the problem. Because science is trying to understand processes on a mathematical level first ! For instance the whole invention of 'virtual particles' makes no sense at all take for instance graviton or bending of spacetime ? Light a wave so what is waving ? On the other hand doing experiments and trying to understand and copy nature is frowned upon.

The principals of natural law when honestly presented are extremely simple and basic and do not have to be cloaked in 1000 layers of misdirects...

.. dark matter , dark energy , bigbang , blackholes , wormholes etc... All exotic stuff in a far away galaxy. Makes good sci-fi. But in my opinion misdirects created from science that doesn't observe reality but tries to fit reality into their artificial mathematical constructs. No doubt their constructs work but that doesn't mean that they in any way describe the true nature of physical reality.

Truth be told Alchemy is closer to true science than what we call science,

Could be but also al Alchemy is based on a mindset that is also almost incomprehensible for most presentday scientists. Take for instance the platonic solids. In scientific context it's a laughable mostly misunderstood concept. Most scientist wouldn't waist their time with it. But as it turns out it's perfectly capable for predicting properties of the elements in the periodic system.

Periodic system and platonic solids

exactly how could any scientist alive backtrack to tell the truth about the source and origin of gold and what it can really do.

Aurum... So mysterious , too mysterious for presentday science.

Well I think they can't (at least on a professional level). But on a more private level it's surely possible. Personally I'm starting to question a lot that has been introduced after the Michelson and Morley experiment.In my opinion science has taken the wrong turn by completely discarting the Aether. The waving nothingness of light and time without events in empty space as a result. So at a private level I started to mentally 'reset' science looking for alternatives of mainstream science.
Here is a link you might find interesting...

Thunderbolts Project YT

originally posted by: frenchfries
a reply to: one4all


a reply to: one4all

Truth be told Alchemy is closer to true science than what we call science,science is a path of most resistance and seeks to replicate nature and its processes artificially but Alchemy endorses use of technology but works WITH nature and simply polices existing processes as opposed to trying to replicate process and product.

Well right , and here there is the problem. Because science is trying to understand processes on a mathematical level first ! For instance the whole invention of 'virtual particles' makes no sense at all take for instance graviton or bending of spacetime ? Light a wave so what is waving ? On the other hand doing experiments and trying to understand and copy nature is frowned upon.

The principals of natural law when honestly presented are extremely simple and basic and do not have to be cloaked in 1000 layers of misdirects...

.. dark matter , dark energy , bigbang , blackholes , wormholes etc... All exotic stuff in a far away galaxy. Makes good sci-fi. But in my opinion misdirects created from science that doesn't observe reality but tries to fit reality into their artificial mathematical constructs. No doubt their constructs work but that doesn't mean that they in any way describe the true nature of physical reality.

Truth be told Alchemy is closer to true science than what we call science,

Could be but also al Alchemy is based on a mindset that is also almost incomprehensible for most presentday scientists. Take for instance the platonic solids. In scientific context it's a laughable mostly misunderstood concept. Most scientist wouldn't waist their time with it. But as it turns out it's perfectly capable for predicting properties of the elements in the periodic system.

Periodic system and platonic solids

exactly how could any scientist alive backtrack to tell the truth about the source and origin of gold and what it can really do.

Aurum... So mysterious , too mysterious for presentday science.

Well I think they can't (at least on a professional level). But on a more private level it's surely possible. Personally I'm starting to question a lot that has been introduced after the Michelson and Morley experiment.In my opinion science has taken the wrong turn by completely discarting the Aether. The waving nothingness of light and time without events in empty space as a result. So at a private level I started to mentally 'reset' science looking for alternatives of mainstream science.
Here is a link you might find interesting...

Thunderbolts Project YT

You are passionate and driven...nice to see.

Yes the numeric representations are the PATH OF MOST RESISTANCE....however it is also the easiest quickest way to negatively impact most peoples minds...and also to fool them and confuse them and to DISEMPOWER THEM ...no one discusses with objectivity and honesty the different types of minds and abilities people posess....and this must be accomodated for us to be progressive and positive in intentions.I once went to school to do some upgrading and I took Chemistry and Physics concurrently....I was very young but because I had opted out of school early I had been out of school for nearly a decade....and I ended up crossing over formulas but coming up with the correct answers....then I was punished for not using the correct formulas on my exams....the answers were correct but incomplete they said....because if you took the calculations further than the exam demanded there would eventually arsise departure points in the numbers....I fought them at the administrative level...it was a Mexican Stand-off.....lol....you see my mind had been out of the school system for so long I had begun to think naturally and normally again in concepts....not in numerical cadence.....contextually it was easy for me to see that the formulas were interchangable...however there was a trap set for my conceptual thinking within the numbers which I recognised and intentionally tripped ...there were departure points embedded into the processes so as to discourage the conceptual approaches.

Language is a poor substitute for telepathy which is what we are suppossed to be using en masse....our broadcast setting is on and working but our reciever has been neutralised geneticlly.An interesting take on this can be found via the FoxP2 gene and the forkhead box Protein P2 located on Chromosome #7......if you are so inclined to go look.


Computer language is simply mans latest and best attempt to replicate TELEPATHY ....this is all it is...communal interactive real-time global communication.....telepathy.


I voluntarily checked out of the formal education system when I was about ten years old...I went through the motions till my early teens but was not a willing participant....At ten I was already on a level where I was ordering books for the School Library with the Librarian, I was allowed out of my regular classes so I could GO CHOOSE THE BOOKS I THOUGHT KIDS WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE AND UNDERSTAND AND ENJOY...a new Award was created for Literacy for our entire School on Awards night because of me...I would read ten to fifteen books a day....by ten I was in grade 5 in my system and had been given special permission to go to a different school to use their Library I was allowed to go to the High Schools Library....lol...first ever.....I was also allowed special access to one of my Instructors personal Libraries when I could convince my Parents to take me.....I learned very early on that there were direct conflicts to be found within literature or books and this spurred me to get to the bottom of why this was possible....I just didn't know why anyone would mislead others and I couldn't accept that many ACCIDENTS...lol...I was a kid....lol...but I did correlate quality of publication as in binding and paper/pictures to a greater volume of LIES AND MISDIRECTS....lol...now I know why this was.

I was stone-walling my Teachers in gradeschool and embarrasing my Instructors at higher learning levels because I CONSTANTLY AND CONSISTANTLY encountered contrasts and pattern breaks that I recognised and reasoned out that made the data they were teaching me wrong or non-applicable....and I was of the nature of passionate innocent curious and lusting to learn type....so I did not back down not because I was confrontational or oppositionally defiant but because my data superceded their data and I could prove it and we all knew it and from there there was NO RETREAT TO ME ONLY FORGING AHEAD TO THE NEXT RELEVANT QUESTION...which they couod never answer and would refuse to embrace.

Being a rebel tok me down a road that stopped in places like the one I will show you now.

Some of the Craft we see flying around that we incorrectly call unidentified are operating within artificially generated Neutral Dimension Fields.

Picture in your mind a bubble of air rising up from the bottom of a glass. of water.....what is BETWEEN the air bubble and the water....it is a naturally occuring NEUTRAL DIMENSION ZONE...there is nothing between them...it is a neutral dimension an undefined dimension....all conventional rules are suspended.

originally posted by: frenchfries
a reply to: one4all

Truth be told all computers are modeled after the human form and all technology follows natures parameters and laws....including the technolgys so-called Aliens use....everyone must play by Mother Natures rules.

Basically I agree , but going deeper into science and physics it becomes clear to me that the so called laws of nature aren't really understood by science. Ask any scientist about the bigbang or blackholes. Is there consensus ? I don't thinks so. There are many conjectures and as time advances nature is filled with virtual particles and all kinds of darkmatter. Just because these entities provide a solution to an ever growing list of anomality's in our universe.

The simple notion science has the fundaments wrong is considered heretic in science. Exactly this is the reason that disclosure has to come from science first. Yes we have to play by Mother Natures rules.
But these rules aren't in my opinion the same as the incomplete rules of presentday physics because science hasn't advanced to a point that a real Theory of everything exists (as being part of public knowledge).
Add to that all the blackprojects in science and it becomes clear that science is steered by the same forces that kept humanity ignorant for centuries.

Following the Book of rules by TM Mother nature is easy...
Although i suspect mankind is only half thru page ONE atm...
Page 1!!...In a book that contains perhaps 1000s of pages...

@ frenchfries.

Now consider that Super-cavitating Torpedos which have changed the balance of World Power lately....generically speaking they shoot streams of gas bubbles out ahead of the Torpedo essentially piecing together an adhoc Neutral Dimension Zone that aloows the weapon to exponentially increase its speed as it travels thru the gas bubbles instead of the water....this duct-tape and bubblegum application of the NDZ concept basically PAVES the way thru the water for the weapon...lets just agree that NDZ is such so I can type less.....lol...


This creature produces a natural type of NDZ application.

science.sciencemag.org...

www.folio.ca...

www.youtube.com...


All the NDZ driven Craft are doing is reproducing this effect....they are super-cavitating thru the air by creating an NDZ and slipping around within it by focusing it as a directive field.

a reply to: Miccey

Page 1!!...In a book that contains perhaps 1000s of pages...

basically stuck on page 1... endless repetition of 'but Einstain seid.....'. Aliens laugh at us ,anyways I think the human intellect is much smarter and science is controlled by forces that hinder it's advancement in certain area's. A TV squirted on wallpaper , no problem just wait a decade. But men on the moon (again) , a better propulsion system , free-energy , nuclear fusion , thorium reactors , atmospheric energy I don't think so in the [current] situation.

Mundane Scientists must obey or suffer the consequences , but true science is without limits.
Still it is my hope that in the end true science will prevail over artificial mathematical constructs put in place to distort and distract from experimentation.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: myselfaswell

Aliens technology would probably be a million years more advanced than ours. They would have insane technology. Why would they even care to deal with us anyway other than keeping us as pets or harvesting us for food or something.

I doubt extraterrestrials would be a good thing. Just imagine how bad the Republicans would be after million years of controlling all three branches of government.

I have always ALWAYS loved this excuse that they must be MILLIONS of years more advanced than us. Why?

No really Why?

Let's use our progress for an example. We have literally gone from covered wagons to walking on the moon in around 100 years. Now let's say there is a breakthrough technology allowing either interstellar travel or gravity manipulation or whatever that is soon to be discovered.

Next let's say both species had the same starting point i.e. they just discovered space travel in less than 100 years...

Now let's further speculate that just because you have interstellar travel doesn't have to correlate with being a 1,000 year old much less a Million year old civilization...

I mean if we are just speculating, why exactly do "Aliens" need to be more advanced than us?

Best short answer I ever heard of as spoken by an af colonel in response to a question do aliens/ufos exist, are they real?
His response: "They are not gods you know"..... and that's all he ever said.

originally posted by: manta78
Best short answer I ever heard of as spoken by an af colonel in response to a question do aliens/ufos exist, are they real?
His response: "They are not gods you know"..... and that's all he ever said.

This is the Keystone issue here....of course they are not gods.....but other Cultures might call Trump and Putin and other major world leaders gods based upon the cosmetic power they weild if they had been taught to do so.

a reply to: andre18

For it seems, that there is plenty of disclosure out in the public environment as it is

No


plenty of claims but no disclosure.


To disclose something is to to make something secret known.

The key word there is "known"


Knowledge is simple, if it can be passed on and replicated and learned then its known because there is a line of reasoning with evidence that points to this conclusion.


Saying aliens are here is not knowledge but a simple claim so you are not disclosing anything other than your beliefs when you say such things.

I feel this would be highly important and even significant for everyone else reading the many expectations you skeptics all have within your minds, of how you would allow disclosure to be identifiably credible.

This is why Ufology is looked at like a joke.


Disclosure has a meaning, claims made are not disclosure.

There are no expectations to any rational thinking person interested in life elsewhere and wondering if its intelligent and traveling the stars to come here.


What alien disclosure are skeptics actually expecting?

simple


disclosure for exactly what it means combined with exactly what knowledge means.

It doesn't matter who discloses alien life is here as long as it fits with what disclosure and knowledge are then there can be no denying.

Proof that William Shatner actually is Captain Kirk. Or maybe just a police report of a row he had with Ricardo Montalban?