The source of the mysterious ozone-killing emissions is confirmed: China

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Today (July 9), the EIA published a report solving the mystery. It finds that Chinese producers—at least 18 companies in 10 provinces—have found ways to dodge legal compliance and continue to use CFC-11 (trichlorofluoromethane). It estimates that majority of the mystery emissions can be explained by China’s use of the banned substance. Chinese producers told the EIA that they continue to find ways to use CFC-11 because it’s a superior chemical when it comes to creating insulating foams. These foams have been in great demand in China because of the country’s construction boom. CFC-11 is also cheap and easy to make, compared to the legal alternatives.

So in the name of capitalism and consumerism, we're going to destroy the ozone because it's cheaper. Yeah, good going China, thanks for wanting to kill us all. Butt munchers!

Ya mean China is a polluter?? They don’t care about the kale in California?? But what about all the children!!! Color me shocked that they don’t give a sh@t.....

a reply to: SkepticalRogue123

IMO China is probably the worst polluter of the air, sea, and land in the whole world. India is probably close with all their trash problems but can not hold a candle to China.

a reply to: 727Sky

We need to find a way to stop this. Imagine waking up one day, only to discover humanity is on the fast track to extinction because of climate change and pollution.

a reply to: SkepticalRogue123

capitalism and consumerism

Not exactly the description I'd use for China.

China is an authoritarian communist regime that is even prepared to kill it's own people to achieve it's own ends. China, broadly, does not give a # about anything or anyone other than itself. Sadly, because people can buy cheap sh!t from there this point seems to have been forgotten.

a reply to: myselfaswell

Yes, that's state capitalism. China is no more communist than the Soviet Union was or even North Korea today. I mean these nations simply replaced the former tyrants with themselves in control and exploit the working class in the name of profit! Which as a result destroys the Earth!

a reply to: SkepticalRogue123

It was always going to be China. pfft.

a reply to: SkepticalRogue123

I'm assuming you haven't woken up yet. We're already there.

a reply to: SkepticalRogue123

Woah hey! You mean the same China that doesnt have to change what they do or pay into the Paris aaccord?

originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: SkepticalRogue123

Woah hey! You mean the same China that doesnt have to change what they do or pay into the Paris aaccord?

Is that in reference to Paris , France or Paris Hilton ?
I cannot keep that stuff straight.

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There is now a global cement shortage due to all the construction going on. So it's cheaper to insulate buildings than to give them thicker walls.

a reply to: SkepticalRogue123

Of course!

You didn't expect the Chinese Communist Party to enforce standards which they signed onto did you?

Did you also expect cheap ass factory owners to spend more money to the correct chemicals?

a reply to: stormcell

hemp crete ^__^

a reply to: SkepticalRogue123

Well, two takeaways from this:

- No, China isn't wanting to kill us all because of the ozone hole (which, BTW, has been recovering since the Montreal Protocol went into effect)

- All of the efforts in the world to affect human-caused issues don't always mean much if every country isn't on board

Also, it's important to say that even without CFCs produced by man, the "ozone holes" would still exist on the planet earth, just maybe to a very slightly lesser degree. Worthy of mention, too, is that the amount of chlorine gas in the atmosphere, which is what thins the ozone from CFCs, is on a stead decrease, meaning that our affect on the natural hole is lessening and lessening over time.

Let's not get too cray-cray over China, even though it'd be nice if they'd jump on board.