Mulvany explains regulations on Pizza Chicken Fish etc and it is Ridiculous

a reply to: liveandlearn

It is right up there with Radar detectors being regulated by the FCC and laser detectors being regulated by the FDA.

If we can clean up government waste and overlap.....

Thats real money.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Mulveny ia talking too sensible. If you do not blur the lines how are these agencies going to hide their expenditures that they are misappropriating?

There you go. Coming in hear and making perfect sense.

originally posted by: liveandlearn

originally posted by: rickymouse
Mulveny ia talking too sensible. If you do not blur the lines how are these agencies going to hide their expenditures that they are misappropriating?

There you go. Coming in hear and making perfect sense.

Yeah, I have never worked in high level agencies but worked at the bottom of a bureaucracy for a few years. Back when they had to keep good records of all money spent and it had to be spent on the right thing. Now they just change the computer programs every three or four years to hide disappearing or misappropriated money. They are doing it agency wide to blur any agencies being identified, everyone is confused by all the changes and anyone knowing how to track the money can't.

originally posted by: skunkape23
The nose knows.
If it doesn't smell rotten, eat it.

Exactly!
I heard on the radio the other day somebody talking about how T-cells, one of the bodies front line defences against cancer(cell mutation)are basically going into "stasis mode" in many people which is why cancer rates are skyrocketing, they don't know how to wake them up again.
We used to live naturally where a person wasnt constantly sanitized from dirt and bacteria and therefore the bodies natural defences are kept alert and fighting fit from constant use. In the last few decades there's been an explosion of sanitation practices that are now completely overused and because our natural defences are wasting away many people are suffering from allergies, hayfever etc all the way through to cancer.
Obviously there are other contributing factors, I.e diet and overuse/reliance on medications, but it reinforced something that I've long considered to be detrimental to health rather than what all those ads with baby crawling through bacteria and dirt(just spray it away!)are trying, successfully I might add, to sell.

a reply to: liveandlearn

of course, Capitalism and Corporatism have infected everything... and now we have "Green-Capitalism" that the liberals/democrats/progressive push, which is just the same tired reformist approach they always have...

"See the Sun, it is free, you can get energy from that... but we are going to charge you for the equipment, and the service, and tax... #SaveThePlanet"

same with water...

food agencies, medical, pharmaceutical

a reply to: Osirisvset

While I agree with most of what you are saying, the average life expectancy in 1950 was 48 years old

So I think it’s a little bit of technology and advancement doing good but also producing negatives as well

a reply to: seeker1963

seeker1963,

People more often get sick because the meat they are eating has either been improperly cooked, or been contaminated with something either while the animal was alive, when the meat was being processed, or when the meat was being packed. Its damned rare for someone to get genuinely sick because they ate chicken which had been sat out waiting to go on the grill for longer than regulations stipulate. Now, you cooking at home, or on the BBQ, can do whatever you like with your chicken, beef, what have you.

But the reason that standards have to be applied to these things and followed, is to cover the asses of the people in the supply chain. If an animal is killed, slaughtered, and packaged within x time, assuming it is clean meat and not infected with a disease of some sort, the regulating bodies involved can stamp it approved, because they KNOW that you the consumer are not going to get sick, and sue the retailer, the packing plant, the slaughterhouse or the farm from which that material came.

There was a big scare some years ago, you will recall, about beef.

Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), also known as mad cow disease, and variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD), are related in that a cow with BSE being consumed by a person, puts the person at risk of contracting CJD. The illness is lethal dangerous, and a horrible way to go.

Ecoli has also been responsible for massive product recalls from meat suppliers, and these recalls and concerns have without a doubt prevented deaths, and not a few hundred here or there, but thousands. While everything looks peachy, you can look at these regulators and say "Heh, you are just punching in and out and getting fat. You don't do anything worth doing!". But when people start dropping dead because they contract food poisoning or even lethal bacterial and viral infections from their food, which has occurred before and will again without vigilance, those calling for a more relaxed atmosphere around food, usually wind up looking pretty damned silly.

Now, that being said, and this will shock some of you...

I think that Mulvany made a good case, laid it out well, and has some good suggestions as to how to move forward with streamlining. The only concern I would have about ANY of it, is that the total size of the regulatory power and workforce as employed by the numerous agencies involved in food standards, must not reduce just because the number of regulatory bodies involved has shrunk. All the people ticking boxes for someone are going to have to keep ticking them, regardless of which agency windbreaker they happen to walk around in while working away from the office. The work being done to protect the food chain is necessary. Its damned stupid in some respects, given that some backward idiot thought that America deserved a little chlorine with its chicken (which is fundamentally idiotic, by the way), and so how any organisation in a nation which accepts that could be anything to do with food standards is beyond me...

But this stuff needs doing, and as long as the same workforce is available to make sure these checks and balances are applied to regulatory matters, I think the proposals by Mulvany actually have legs.

originally posted by: liveandlearn
He, among others, has been tasked to stream line the government. This report is from today at a cabinet meeting. I was appalled at how many agencies become involved in regulating one item dependent on what you do with it. And the salmon is regulated by three agencies dependent on where it is.

It all comes out pretty funny. Only 7 minutes

None the less, I am glad to see movement on this.

What do y'all think of the way he proposes to move agencies around?

Damn! That is why i voted for Trump.....great speach by a great hire by a great president.

I've always believed we should have de-sanitizing stations set up. Dirt, manure,etc.

My God how did our ancestors survive long enough to bring us into existence living in such a filthy world.

I had a nice snapping-turtle for brunch.
Cooked over cedar coals.
The FDA and health inspectors would have shat their diapers.
It was delicious.

Maybe slightly off topic but I opened a brewery once and between the State and federal branches of IRS, department of agriculture, liquor control , health department and approval from local churches... it is a nightmare.

Can’t move forward with group A until you get approval from group B who won’t approve anything without signing off from group C who needs clearance from group A...

All this to create new jobs and add value to the local economy.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: liveandlearn

of course, Capitalism and Corporatism have infected everything... and now we have "Green-Capitalism" that the liberals/democrats/progressive push, which is just the same tired reformist approach they always have...

I have a one-word response to 'streamlining' of all those pesky regulations: Walkerton

I like the proposal to merge the Dept. of Education with the Dept. of Labor. For the benefit of non-Americans: In this country, education is controlled at the local level, with state oversite. The only thing the US Department of Education really does is distribute student loan money. It most definitely doesn't need to be a cabinet-level position.

Trump's proposed combined department would coordinate student loans to encourage students to study in fields we actually need, like science, math, and engineering.