Christian Leaders To Jeff Sessions: The Bible Does Not Justify Separating Families

a reply to: TheRedneck

How is 'upholding' also 'attacking'? The President's whole job is to uphold the laws enacted by Congress. He's doing just that.

No he's not! He's calling for elimination of legal immigration systems already in place for decades. In fact, Trump is creating problems where there are few. Immigration is down. Refugees coming into the USA is down 70% under Trump. He's expelling over 1 million legally protected refugees and asylumees, revoking their protected status. He's instructing ICE to illegally away asylum seekers at border stations.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
So people don't want "open borders".

They just want people to cross at will and not be punished.

Why misrepresent? Isn't your case strong enough based on the facts?

Open Borders mean "people cross at will."

I'm against that, Sookie has stated they're against it. Who is "they"?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Jeff Sessions seems to think so, since he whipped the Bible out to defend his "no tolerance" policy.

What has the Bible even got to do with the application of the law? We are not governed by the Bible.

Now, if he was defending his position in a religious context (which I am sure he was), that might be a little more understandable. But I'm sorry, unless you are a Christian, what dog do you have in that kind of race? "Sessions is defending his position by misusing values I don't believe in! OMG! OMG!"

In this case, Jeff Session wants you to adhere to Romans 13

Is it part of the Bible? What is the context surrounding it? Is it being applied according to Christian understanding of the context?

If you want to have a religious debate, I'm game.

If you want to complain about Sessions, I'm game for that too. I just don't need to come up with specious reports about his morality to do so. I have evidence to back up my change in position on Sessions.

TheRedneck

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do the children of those families go in to prison camps or into foster care?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Apologies.


I was under the impression you did not want to deport or punish those who violated nation sovereignty.



Again, I'm sorry.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Are you saying Trump and Sessions and others are prevented from having Christian morals?

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How exactly did you get that out of what I wrote?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Gryphon66

Apologies.


I was under the impression you did not want to deport or punish those who violated nation sovereignty.



Again, I'm sorry.

I didn't take it personally, I just wonder who you're talking about.

Isn't the issue in this thread the treatment of children?

Are you okay with kids being put into tent cities or camps?

Is that really the best we as Americans can do?

a reply to: TheRedneck

Your response to the OP was that we aren't a Christian nation.

OP didn't say that, imply it or suggest it.

OP stated the response of Christian leadership to Mr. Sessions comments.

Right?

How does any of that imply a claim on OP's part that we are a Christian nation???

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Gryphon66

Apologies.


I was under the impression you did not want to deport or punish those who violated nation sovereignty.



Again, I'm sorry.

I didn't take it personally, I just wonder who you're talking about.

Isn't the issue in this thread the treatment of children?

Are you okay with kids being put into tent cities or camps?

Is that really the best we as Americans can do?

Yes.

And yes.

They are here illegally. Doesn't matter if they are children or adults.


They are here illegally.

Don't want to see kids placed in detention facilities? Don't bring them here illegally.


Simple.

a reply to: TheRedneck

How is 'upholding' also 'attacking'?

It's not. How could you conflate the two? Trump is attacking and demanding the repeal of existing immigration systems that have been in place for decades, like the VISA Lottery and Family Reunification programs.

Sounds like chain migration to me. One guy gets in; he gets to bring his family in; uncle Otto gets to bring his family in; Uncle Otto's Cousin Bill gets to bring his family in; Uncle Otto's Cousin Bill's sister-in-law Ethel gets to bring her family in; ad infinitum. I'm against that too.

Sounds like you've been drinking too much of the GOP Kool Aide if you believe that! LOL

Blatant lies. Show me where he did that.

Ignorant fool! www.vanityfair.com...
www.foxnews.com...
www.westernjournal.com...

We should beat any which are unruly just like Jesus said.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Maybe they can come stay at your home?

All that compassion you got flowing out.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Okay, it's okay to put kids into prison camps.

Gotcha.

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Gryphon66

Maybe they can come stay at your home?

All that compassion you got flowing out.

Conversely, maybe you can imprison them in your basement or some shed?

Save the taxpayers some money?

Puhleeze.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do the children of those families go in to prison camps or into foster care?

For the children in this case, they are looked after until their next of kin are located, and sent to them.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You said "Don't want to see kids placed in detention facilities? Don't bring them here illegally." Not a bad sentence but...why can't we just keep families together during processing or stop the "entire" family at the border? Easy to do. Take a few million dollars from the "Wall" project and hire a few extra border guards, processing agents and rent some empty buildings as processing centers. Easy. Look I just solved the problem for everyone.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do the children of those families go in to prison camps or into foster care?

For the children in this case, they are looked after until their next of kin are located, and sent to them.

Would it be fair to describe "looked after" as "putting them in tent confinement areas reminiscent of prison camps?"

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do the children of those families go in to prison camps or into foster care?

For the children in this case, they are looked after until their next of kin are located, and sent to them.

No...it's called ripping families apart and putting children in prison camps.

a reply to: Gryphon66

#, send 'em back, I'm not the one trying to keep them here.

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