No Two-Way Communications Allowed During National Emergencies Except by Established Groups

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
a reply to: tovenar

You do realize that in the emergency situations like you describe, where the Ham operators are helping the government, that will be the only communications allowed during a mandatory government security type blackout, licensed or not? If you aren't part of their program, then you will be SOL with your personal communications concerns in such an extreme scenario.

Bottom line IMO is that our ability or inability to communicate directly affects our right to free speech. You can't say anything when your mouth is gagged, regardless of what you may have to say or who you may want to say it to.

You have the right to free speech, just not amplitude and modulation...

originally posted by: butcherguy
I wonder if this has something to do with the shadow government if Trump moves to take them down?
Many of the black haps wives are known to have received ham radio licenses.

This is yet further evidence Trump aint doing squat about the Shadow Government.

Ergo, the CIA would already be shut down if he was.

MuthaF.

What about extremely local comms like bluetooth which can work well over 100m with an unrestricted line of sight. Very hard to locate if the messages are kept short and I doubt the authorities would even be concerned about it.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

A "skip" is also known as a Sporadic E propagation or skywave skip. There are also different kinds (Equatorial and Polar). As far as CB radio frequencies are concerned they are an unusual phenomenon and are not predictable. The ionosphere is constantly changing by the minute. There are conditions where skips are more likely occur, but predicting when one will happen and exactly where it will originate and terminate is next to impossible.

You are more likely to be able to predict when one will not happen versus predicting when one will.

Quite true, skip on CB is always unpredictable being on the high end of the frequencies that will skip. Another skip condition that will effect the higher frequencies, including VHF and UHF, is called tropospheric ducting that happens during weather when the signal encounters a temperature inversion. Unfortunately that too is unpredictable.

originally posted by: butcherguy
I wonder if this has something to do with the shadow government if Trump moves to take them down?
Many of the black haps wives are known to have received ham radio licenses.

Wow. It couldn't be common sense... making first responders the priority and all that. It must have something to do with the (Jewish?) plot to take Trump down.

originally posted by: Pilgrum
What about extremely local comms like bluetooth which can work well over 100m with an unrestricted line of sight. Very hard to locate if the messages are kept short and I doubt the authorities would even be concerned about it.

I'm sure that wireless communication within your home or yard will never be noticed or get you that knock at the door. However, if you have everyone in your neighborhood create a WiFi mesh-net network that catches on and expands, that might get some attention.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
a reply to: tovenar

You do realize that in the emergency situations like you describe, where the Ham operators are helping the government, that will be the only communications allowed during a mandatory government security type blackout, licensed or not? If you aren't part of their program, then you will be SOL with your personal communications concerns in such an extreme scenario.

Bottom line IMO is that our ability or inability to communicate directly affects our right to free speech. You can't say anything when your mouth is gagged, regardless of what you may have to say or who you may want to say it to.

You have the right to free speech, just not amplitude and modulation...

Yeah, you have the right to free speech, just no right to be heard. Kind of makes free speech useless though doesn't it?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Ergo, the CIA would already be shut down if he was.

I am not saying trump is here to save us...

But while we all have an idea of how much control the CIA has we will never know for certain unless we sit in the oval office. So you go in quietly feel it out and then you can enact a plan to try and do something.

When you consider the last president to make direct threats against the Intel agencies got popped in the head on Nov 22 1963.

It would be foolish to move fast or overtly.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

As with all things, there must be some kind of way around this. One assumes, for example, that what they are talking about is communications which uses radio or other finite bandwidth, which could interfere with, or clog up the communications channels, such that emergency response is somehow dulled by its inability to cut through the noise (although you can bet that whatever excuse is being used is bogus).

But how would it be if some manner of laser comminications system was developed, so that, for example, two buildings within sight of each other, could have a unit mounted on their roof, which delivered and received data transmitted in the shape of photons?

I suppose what I am asking, is this:

Is the justification for this clampdown on two-way comms during a national emergency about maintaining clean channels for emergency response, or is it about preventing people other than the government and those working with them, from having the ability to independently formulate immediate strategies to survive unfolding events?

a reply to: TrueBrit

Maybe it wouldn't require an optical carrier as there are many types of highly directional antennas that achieve the same sort of goal from as simple as 'cantennas' up to parabolic dishes. Ideally you'd have to consider the proposed comms clampdown as a way of reducing congestion on the radio spectrum to minimize interference to essential services needs.

Ideally that is, unless you were to feel that the authorities are trying to keep the general public in the dark during a crisis. Even then they can't stop the public listening to their radio traffic (maybe just make it difficult with encryption etc). To me it sounds like they just don't want the air clogged up with public chatter.

a reply to: TrueBrit

... But how would it be if some manner of laser comminications system was developed, so that, for example, two buildings within sight of each other, could have a unit mounted on their roof, which delivered and received data transmitted in the shape of photons?

Already exists. Was developed over a decade ago, and implemented just exactly as you describe...in Gaza, among other places (where everything is hacked). Completely invisible to the naked eye, and unhackable unless you know where, when, how, what angle and elevation.

a reply to: Pilgrum

I think it would be lovely to assume the best of ones government, but there have been more than enough examples over the years, and more recently too, of government doing things that are bad for the people, then preventing people from reporting the fact to anyone who will do something about it. That is how you get people like Snowden and folk like him, by creating a circumstance where not only is the government lying, but also preventing people from reporting as much to the people who are paying the bills.

I would not trust it as far as I could throw the body which issues the instructions, in this case or any other. The government would have to prove that their reasoning was clearly in the public interest, and open their reasoning up for external peer review before any kind of trust could be developed, I would have thought, given the history the US government has of not being straight with the people about its motives.



a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Well that is wonderful! In that case, schematics should be widely available in... certain places, for these things. Might be wise to make a little investment in the consumer electronics sector, for those this may concern most!

I asked a question on page 2 about the GWEN towers. Does anyone have an answer? please and thank you.

originally posted by: Archivalist
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Emergency situation?

If I'm trapped, injured, or in duress of some sort, I will gladly break the ruling and use my radio, to my heart's content.

If they want to fine me, or arrest me for it... They have to come find and save my ass, first.

And you're allowed to do that. Even people who are not licensed are allowed to broadcast for help in a true emergency. Running out of diet Pepsi in a snow storm does not constitute an emergency, btw. Just thought I'd add that disclaimer due to all the ridiculous 911 calls I've heard about.

a reply to: Pilgrum and TrueBrit

Like how you guys are thinking out of the box and proposing some good stealth communications ideas.

Concerning the laser communications device, a far simpler version would be to use lasers to transmit Morse code. I had knocked around an idea for a simple manually operated line of sight set up that could do the trick with mirrors and a couple of laser pointers. This could be integrated into a computer hook up that would convert text to code and back again. Not sure of the distances you could achieve though, seems like the aiming would be seriously touchy. Still, it would be virtually undetectable in a radio silence blackout.

Also, good to hear from you True Brit, I trust things are well with you.

Makes me wonder how GoTenna fits in with a radio blackout. I have two of those little things. I haven't used them much.

Another idea I had was to transmit on the AC grid, like the utility companies do with their smart meters. For example, we used to have a simple analog intercom that would send signals through the wall outlet to other units plugged into the same circuit. The trick would be to have a signal that wouldn't be detected by the utility companies and send it out over the grid.

Another idea would be to send analog signals out on the broadcast TV frequencies, so that people with an old analog TV within receiving distance could get the information. That of course could be triangulated and located if someone caught the signal. I feel pretty certain that digital converter boxes and TVs that only receive digital would never get any interference.

a reply to: likefood

GoTenna sounds pretty good. There is also the Multi-Use Radio Service Text Call Walkie Talkie.

MUR Texting Walkie Talkie

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Depending on the circumstances, it could be very hard to enforce anyway. They'd need the resources to triangulate the source of the illegal broadcasts and the manpower to do something about it.

I ran a CB radio with a 500 watt foot warmer back in the 1970-80s and talked to japan,Australia and europe many nights from a 4X4 truck mounted rig. The fun was watching the FCC enforcement rigs trying to find a road to get to me.

The FCC never was very good at tracking moving off road rigs.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

In what scenario does the government have total control and a prepper still care whats illegal? Maybe I'm missing something but imo, the SHTF scenario's that really count would have me disregarding much bigger laws than local broadcasts for communication. IMO, the people with licenses will be the first to have their equipment confiscated. So it would be smart to stash some radios or equipment at someone's house you trust, who is not licensed.