The Follies of Activism

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do you believe, like the Nazis, that the state should be given powers over human choice?

Nope. The state should not give power to people to discriminate against others.

By denying their very freedoms to choose who to associate with.

You are talking about social circles. Private clubs.

I’m speaking about everyone.

I can somehow understand the desire to get the state to tell you who you have to associate with. Freedom can be ugly.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do you believe, like the Nazis, that the state should be given powers over human choice?

Nope. The state should not give power to people to discriminate against others.

By denying their very freedoms to choose who to associate with.

You are talking about social circles. Private clubs.

I’m speaking about everyone.

I can somehow understand the desire to get the state to tell you who you have to associate with. Freedom can be ugly.

We all have the freedom who to associate with. I think you're talking about things like wedding cake bakers. That's different.

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do you believe, like the Nazis, that the state should be given powers over human choice?

Nope. The state should not give power to people to discriminate against others.

By denying their very freedoms to choose who to associate with.

You are talking about social circles. Private clubs.

I’m speaking about everyone.

I can somehow understand the desire to get the state to tell you who you have to associate with. Freedom can be ugly.

We all have the freedom who to associate with. I think you're talking about things like wedding cake bakers. That's different.

I’m speaking about everyone. Human rights apply to human beings.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do you believe, like the Nazis, that the state should be given powers over human choice?

Nope. The state should not give power to people to discriminate against others.

By denying their very freedoms to choose who to associate with.

You are talking about social circles. Private clubs.

I’m speaking about everyone.

I can somehow understand the desire to get the state to tell you who you have to associate with. Freedom can be ugly.

We all have the freedom who to associate with. I think you're talking about things like wedding cake bakers. That's different.

I’m speaking about everyone. Human rights apply to human beings.

That is without dispute. You keep repeating what we already know for some reason.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.

The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol

I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do you believe, like the Nazis, that the state should be given powers over human choice?

Nope. The state should not give power to people to discriminate against others.

By denying their very freedoms to choose who to associate with.

You are talking about social circles. Private clubs.

I’m speaking about everyone.

I can somehow understand the desire to get the state to tell you who you have to associate with. Freedom can be ugly.

We all have the freedom who to associate with. I think you're talking about things like wedding cake bakers. That's different.

I’m speaking about everyone. Human rights apply to human beings.

That is without dispute. You keep repeating what we already know for some reason.

“We all have the freedom who to associate with. I think you're talking about things like wedding cake bakers. That's different.”

“You are talking about social circles. Private clubs.”

You keep saying otherwise.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.

The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol

I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.

No, i’d bow to a monarch before I march with the likes of you.

You seem herd-like and bovine to me.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.

The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol

I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.

No, i’d bow to a monarch before I march with the likes of you.

You seem herd-like and bovine to me.

Wow, you'd bow before a monarch before joining fellow citizens in activism against a common cause.
No wonder Monsanto owns the US but pulled out of Britain if your attitude is typical. Activism won, the people won, and I am proud to say I was part of it. No GM crops in the UK solely because of activism and civil disobedience destroying their test crops.
All UK organic farms are truly organic, no cross pollination from GM crops. All because of activism.
Yes, you sound submissive and subservient to your corporate masters. People like you do not represent any romantic ideas of 'the land of the free', more perhaps 'land of the apathetic'.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.

The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol

I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.

No, i’d bow to a monarch before I march with the likes of you.

You seem herd-like and bovine to me.

Wow, you'd bow before a monarch before joining fellow citizens in activism against a common cause.
No wonder Monsanto owns the US but pulled out of Britain if your attitude is typical. Activism won, the people won, and I am proud to say I was part of it. No GM crops in the UK solely because of activism and civil disobedience destroying their test crops.
All UK organic farms are truly organic, no cross pollination from GM crops. All because of activism.
Yes, you sound submissive and subservient to your corporate masters. People like you do not represent any romantic ideas of 'the land of the free', more perhaps 'land of the apathetic'.

I’m not American. But I’d much rather live there than to swim around in that nanny, surveillance-state fishbowl you call home.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.

The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol

I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.

No, i’d bow to a monarch before I march with the likes of you.

You seem herd-like and bovine to me.

Wow, you'd bow before a monarch before joining fellow citizens in activism against a common cause.
No wonder Monsanto owns the US but pulled out of Britain if your attitude is typical. Activism won, the people won, and I am proud to say I was part of it. No GM crops in the UK solely because of activism and civil disobedience destroying their test crops.
All UK organic farms are truly organic, no cross pollination from GM crops. All because of activism.
Yes, you sound submissive and subservient to your corporate masters. People like you do not represent any romantic ideas of 'the land of the free', more perhaps 'land of the apathetic'.

I’m not American. But I’d much rather live there than to swim around in that nanny, surveillance-state fishbowl you call home.

Lol, yes, so oppressed our civil disobedience kicked out one of the most powerful corporations in the world. A nation where cops mostly have sticks, private security isn't even allowed sticks, LMAO, we are so not oppressed here, which is why activism works.
You'd bow to a monarch before joining your citizens in a common cause, YOU are the apathetic subservient one, certainly not Brits.
Where do you live anyway, just curious, I always thought you were from the US.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.

The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol

I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.

No, i’d bow to a monarch before I march with the likes of you.

You seem herd-like and bovine to me.

Wow, you'd bow before a monarch before joining fellow citizens in activism against a common cause.
No wonder Monsanto owns the US but pulled out of Britain if your attitude is typical. Activism won, the people won, and I am proud to say I was part of it. No GM crops in the UK solely because of activism and civil disobedience destroying their test crops.
All UK organic farms are truly organic, no cross pollination from GM crops. All because of activism.
Yes, you sound submissive and subservient to your corporate masters. People like you do not represent any romantic ideas of 'the land of the free', more perhaps 'land of the apathetic'.

I’m not American. But I’d much rather live there than to swim around in that nanny, surveillance-state fishbowl you call home.

Lol, yes, so oppressed our civil disobedience kicked out one of the most powerful corporations in the world. A nation where cops mostly have sticks, private security isn't even allowed sticks, LMAO, we are so not oppressed here, which is why activism works.
You'd bow to a monarch before joining your citizens in a common cause, YOU are the apathetic subservient one, certainly not Brits.
Where do you live anyway, just curious, I always thought you were from the US.

You also helped limit the amount of choices for the average citizen, and gave the state more power over private affairs.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.

The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol

I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.

No, i’d bow to a monarch before I march with the likes of you.

You seem herd-like and bovine to me.

Wow, you'd bow before a monarch before joining fellow citizens in activism against a common cause.
No wonder Monsanto owns the US but pulled out of Britain if your attitude is typical. Activism won, the people won, and I am proud to say I was part of it. No GM crops in the UK solely because of activism and civil disobedience destroying their test crops.
All UK organic farms are truly organic, no cross pollination from GM crops. All because of activism.
Yes, you sound submissive and subservient to your corporate masters. People like you do not represent any romantic ideas of 'the land of the free', more perhaps 'land of the apathetic'.

I’m not American. But I’d much rather live there than to swim around in that nanny, surveillance-state fishbowl you call home.

Lol, yes, so oppressed our civil disobedience kicked out one of the most powerful corporations in the world. A nation where cops mostly have sticks, private security isn't even allowed sticks, LMAO, we are so not oppressed here, which is why activism works.
You'd bow to a monarch before joining your citizens in a common cause, YOU are the apathetic subservient one, certainly not Brits.
Where do you live anyway, just curious, I always thought you were from the US.

You also helped limit the amount of choices for the average citizen, and gave the state more power over private affairs.

What choices? GM food? The overwhelming majority of Brits don't want GM crops grown here. We had the backing of the public, the police, and I dare to say the government as well because they COULD have cracked down on us, but they didn't.
Monsanto lost to the people, and activism alone won that victory.
...and how exactly did we give the state more power over private affairs? We were fighting a corporation and got arrested frequently. Released a few hours later with no further action and cops saying 'sorry, just had to do our job but we agree with your cause' but it could have gone either way.
No, you are someone who will just bend over and take it, while activist Brits will not.
Hunting foxes for hours with dogs would still be legal without us activists disrupting hunts and breaking the law, I guess you'd just go 'meh, I'm not a fox' and that cruel sport would still happen today.
I am proud to be an activist, not a bowing scraping peasant subject as you are.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I'm not going to pretend that I've taken the time to read all of this thread, far from it.
But I've read enough to know that your argument is bollocks.

Without the 'activism' of groups like Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth etc the vast majority of us would be totally unaware of many of the ecological and environmental issues that face us today.
It was their activism that forced these issues onto the world stage.

Many of the social advancements gained throughout history have been as a direct result of the organised protests of activists.
There are countless examples I could list.

To link activism to the alleged activities of Harvey Weinstein and other 'serial rapists' truly beggars belief.
You then seek to label activists alongside Islamic terrorists, KKK and dictators.
That is an incredible stretch by anyone's standards and looks like a blatant attempt to discredit at any cost.

I'm no PC lover, leftist Pinko or any other label that people seem so keen to pigeon hole other people with and I certainly don't agree with many of the opinions of those who seek to publicly protest but your dislike borders on the irrational.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.

The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol

I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.

No, i’d bow to a monarch before I march with the likes of you.

You seem herd-like and bovine to me.

Wow, you'd bow before a monarch before joining fellow citizens in activism against a common cause.
No wonder Monsanto owns the US but pulled out of Britain if your attitude is typical. Activism won, the people won, and I am proud to say I was part of it. No GM crops in the UK solely because of activism and civil disobedience destroying their test crops.
All UK organic farms are truly organic, no cross pollination from GM crops. All because of activism.
Yes, you sound submissive and subservient to your corporate masters. People like you do not represent any romantic ideas of 'the land of the free', more perhaps 'land of the apathetic'.

I’m not American. But I’d much rather live there than to swim around in that nanny, surveillance-state fishbowl you call home.

Lol, yes, so oppressed our civil disobedience kicked out one of the most powerful corporations in the world. A nation where cops mostly have sticks, private security isn't even allowed sticks, LMAO, we are so not oppressed here, which is why activism works.
You'd bow to a monarch before joining your citizens in a common cause, YOU are the apathetic subservient one, certainly not Brits.
Where do you live anyway, just curious, I always thought you were from the US.

You also helped limit the amount of choices for the average citizen, and gave the state more power over private affairs.

What choices? GM food? The overwhelming majority of Brits don't want GM crops grown here. We had the backing of the public, the police, and I dare to say the government as well because they COULD have cracked down on us, but they didn't.
Monsanto lost to the people, and activism alone won that victory.
...and how exactly did we give the state more power over private affairs? We were fighting a corporation and got arrested frequently. Released a few hours later with no further action and cops saying 'sorry, just had to do our job but we agree with your cause' but it could have gone either way.
No, you are someone who will just bend over and take it, while activist Brits will not.
Hunting foxes for hours with dogs would still be legal without us activists disrupting hunts and breaking the law, I guess you'd just go 'meh, I'm not a fox' and that cruel sport would still happen today.
I am proud to be an activist, not a bowing scraping peasant subject as you are.

You’re fear-mongering efforts on GM foods is unscientific. Not only are you wrong to want to do away with GM foods, but you’d run to the government restrict the choices of others.

a reply to: Freeborn

You can only speak about your own ignorance on these topics, so your whole argument is bollocks.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

My ignorance?
Please elaborate.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.

The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol

I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.

No, i’d bow to a monarch before I march with the likes of you.

You seem herd-like and bovine to me.

Wow, you'd bow before a monarch before joining fellow citizens in activism against a common cause.
No wonder Monsanto owns the US but pulled out of Britain if your attitude is typical. Activism won, the people won, and I am proud to say I was part of it. No GM crops in the UK solely because of activism and civil disobedience destroying their test crops.
All UK organic farms are truly organic, no cross pollination from GM crops. All because of activism.
Yes, you sound submissive and subservient to your corporate masters. People like you do not represent any romantic ideas of 'the land of the free', more perhaps 'land of the apathetic'.

I’m not American. But I’d much rather live there than to swim around in that nanny, surveillance-state fishbowl you call home.

Lol, yes, so oppressed our civil disobedience kicked out one of the most powerful corporations in the world. A nation where cops mostly have sticks, private security isn't even allowed sticks, LMAO, we are so not oppressed here, which is why activism works.
You'd bow to a monarch before joining your citizens in a common cause, YOU are the apathetic subservient one, certainly not Brits.
Where do you live anyway, just curious, I always thought you were from the US.

You also helped limit the amount of choices for the average citizen, and gave the state more power over private affairs.

What choices? GM food? The overwhelming majority of Brits don't want GM crops grown here. We had the backing of the public, the police, and I dare to say the government as well because they COULD have cracked down on us, but they didn't.
Monsanto lost to the people, and activism alone won that victory.
...and how exactly did we give the state more power over private affairs? We were fighting a corporation and got arrested frequently. Released a few hours later with no further action and cops saying 'sorry, just had to do our job but we agree with your cause' but it could have gone either way.
No, you are someone who will just bend over and take it, while activist Brits will not.
Hunting foxes for hours with dogs would still be legal without us activists disrupting hunts and breaking the law, I guess you'd just go 'meh, I'm not a fox' and that cruel sport would still happen today.
I am proud to be an activist, not a bowing scraping peasant subject as you are.

You’re fear-mongering efforts on GM foods is unscientific. Not only are you wrong to want to do away with GM foods, but you’d run to the government restrict the choices of others.

Stick to the topic of your own thread, activism, not the scientific arguments about GM crops.
The point is that activisim in the UK scored a massive victory over Monsanto...I am proud to have been part of that and I hold my criminal convictions as badges of honour. (2X lame arsed fines of £200)

EDIT
Both were "Criminal damage namely crops owned by..."
I am proud of that. We beat them, let other nations be the crash test dummy's

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

My ignorance?
Please elaborate.

I’ll quote you:

“Without the 'activism' of groups like Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth etc the vast majority of us would be totally unaware of many of the ecological and environmental issues that face us today. ”

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.

The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol

I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.

No, i’d bow to a monarch before I march with the likes of you.

You seem herd-like and bovine to me.

Wow, you'd bow before a monarch before joining fellow citizens in activism against a common cause.
No wonder Monsanto owns the US but pulled out of Britain if your attitude is typical. Activism won, the people won, and I am proud to say I was part of it. No GM crops in the UK solely because of activism and civil disobedience destroying their test crops.
All UK organic farms are truly organic, no cross pollination from GM crops. All because of activism.
Yes, you sound submissive and subservient to your corporate masters. People like you do not represent any romantic ideas of 'the land of the free', more perhaps 'land of the apathetic'.

I’m not American. But I’d much rather live there than to swim around in that nanny, surveillance-state fishbowl you call home.

Lol, yes, so oppressed our civil disobedience kicked out one of the most powerful corporations in the world. A nation where cops mostly have sticks, private security isn't even allowed sticks, LMAO, we are so not oppressed here, which is why activism works.
You'd bow to a monarch before joining your citizens in a common cause, YOU are the apathetic subservient one, certainly not Brits.
Where do you live anyway, just curious, I always thought you were from the US.

You also helped limit the amount of choices for the average citizen, and gave the state more power over private affairs.

What choices? GM food? The overwhelming majority of Brits don't want GM crops grown here. We had the backing of the public, the police, and I dare to say the government as well because they COULD have cracked down on us, but they didn't.
Monsanto lost to the people, and activism alone won that victory.
...and how exactly did we give the state more power over private affairs? We were fighting a corporation and got arrested frequently. Released a few hours later with no further action and cops saying 'sorry, just had to do our job but we agree with your cause' but it could have gone either way.
No, you are someone who will just bend over and take it, while activist Brits will not.
Hunting foxes for hours with dogs would still be legal without us activists disrupting hunts and breaking the law, I guess you'd just go 'meh, I'm not a fox' and that cruel sport would still happen today.
I am proud to be an activist, not a bowing scraping peasant subject as you are.

You’re fear-mongering efforts on GM foods is unscientific. Not only are you wrong to want to do away with GM foods, but you’d run to the government restrict the choices of others.

Stick to the topic of your own thread, activism, not the scientific arguments about GM crops.
The point is that activisim in the UK scored a massive victory over Monsanto...I am proud to have been part of that and I hold my criminal convictions as badges of honour. (2X lame arsed fines of £200)

EDIT
Both were "Criminal damage namely crops owned by..."
I am proud of that. We beat them, let other nations be the crash test dummy's

My point is it may have been a win for you, but a great loss to your country, to the consumer, to the producer, to free markets, and to freedom in general.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So you deny that their activities helped force these issues to the forefront?