Suicide now 10th leading cause of death in usa

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: DieGloke

Yeah, terrible conditions ...

2 or 3 jobs or 16 hour days and living at work to make it?

Half past 6 am to midnight, but maybe a couple hours of overtime ... for kids who should still be in school.

Yeah, we have the worst conditions ...

Artisanal mining (another name for primitive and horrific) ...

But you keep telling yourself we have it the worst here.

Notice I said worse in the western world.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: DieGloke

Your theory might be right in contributing to some suicides but there are places that have completely terrible working conditions and the people are not killing themselves.

Probably cause other diseases kill them first.

I think people, white people in general have too much to live up too. We’re taught as kids to compete and outperform our peers and that hard work is the key to happiness, but when happiness seems out of reach it’s just easier to end the suffering.

For some reason black folks don’t have this approach and therefor have very small suicide rates.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

From the stats, the highest rate of suicide is middle aged men - and in particular white men.

afsp.org...

And???

This social experiment began almost 35 years ago. That would place the initial recipients smack at the bleeding edge of this and match the stats.

a reply to: DieGloke

OK, so it's OK for the icky brown people to work like that but Western white folks are too fragile to take it?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: DieGloke

OK, so it's OK for the icky brown people to work like that but Western white folks are too fragile to take it?

Not really but there is not much I can do about it.

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

From the stats, the highest rate of suicide is middle aged men - and in particular white men.

afsp.org...

And???

This social experiment began almost 35 years ago. That would place the initial recipients smack at the bleeding edge of this and match the stats.

Not if by what you claim happens to them when they are teens and they have already committed suicide. Non-sensical logic.

anxiety everywhere.

people who have not, want.
people who have some, want more.
people who have much, are afraid of losing what they have.

mentioned this to my pastor. he quoted a verse about 'perilous times' at the end and said that the word 'perilous' there could be interpreted / translated as 'anxious'.

really something how some people, that appear to have much more than they need, are so stressed and miserable.
anybody remember the 'Richard Cory' poem from high school?

And he was rich - yes, richer than a king -
And admirably schooled in every grace:
In fine, we thought that he was everything
To make us wish that we were in his place.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;
And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
Went home and put a bullet through his head.

Maybe we could find a time when there wasn't all this suicide. Try to be more like that.

originally posted by: toms54
Maybe we could find a time when there wasn't all this suicide. Try to be more like that.

So women back in the kitchen,
Gays back in the closet,
Prayer back in school,
Blacks to the back of the bus,
Etc...

I'll pass, let's figure out a better solution.

a reply to: DieGloke

So you moved the goalposts then?

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: toms54
Maybe we could find a time when there wasn't all this suicide. Try to be more like that.

So women back in the kitchen,
Gays back in the closet,
Prayer back in school,
Blacks to the back of the bus,
Etc...

I'll pass, let's figure out a better solution.

Maybe instead of posting the insta knee-jerk, we could think about it and realize that maybe there were some things about that time that did keep us from wanting to all die in a corner, and maybe they aren't the same things as the ones you listed?

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: toms54
Maybe we could find a time when there wasn't all this suicide. Try to be more like that.

So women back in the kitchen,
Gays back in the closet,
Prayer back in school,
Blacks to the back of the bus,
Etc...

I'll pass, let's figure out a better solution.

Yes, like petitioning your government to put your tax dollars to fund research to find solutions.

a reply to: ketsuko

I was mostly referring to what some refer to the good old days. They forget things like polio.
It's very hard to single out what was good in the past without taking the bad into account too.
For every reaction there is an equal reaction or in most cases an overreaction.

I meant no offence in my reply

a reply to: Bluntone22

Just pointing out that among other things, we had a more cohesive society and better family structures across the board.

a reply to: ketsuko

We had more women stuck in bad marriages because they had no other options. That has changes but it went to far.
Societal changes are good and bad I guess.
We have just failed to adapt to the changes.

Suicide rates are up for a number of reasons and easy access to 'guns' is one of them.

Guns were the most common method used for suicide, accounting for almost half of the people who died.

Often, the suicide seemed to happen without warning: 54 percent of the people who killed themselves didn't have a previously known mental health issue. "Instead, these folks were suffering from other issues, such as relationship problems, substance misuse, physical health problems, job or financial problems, and recent crises or things that were coming up in their lives that they were anticipating," says Stone.

www.npr.org...

www.cdc.gov...

You post about suicide and turn the post into a 'justification' for gun possession so I present the above from the Centers for Disease Control.

You imply that 'mental health' is the sole cause of gun violence and suicide when there are multiple causes in each case as noted above and...

Additional Facts About Suicide in the US

The annual age-adjusted suicide rate is 13.42 per 100,000 individuals.

Men die by suicide 3.53x more often than women.

On average, there are 123 suicides per day.

White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2016.

Firearms account for 51% of all suicides in 2016.

The rate of suicide is highest in middle age — white men in particular.

afsp.org...

Mental Health issues are not a single disease nor can it be blamed on a single cause. Depression in particular has two broad and often mixed 'causes':

Endogenous (or chemical) depression to denote depression that arises without an obvious identifiable cause, thought to reflect some kind of “chemical imbalance” in the brain.

Exogenous (or external) depression which is thought to arise from a specific, identifiable external cause.

imaginemd.net...

There are six main reasons that people attempt suicide (see www.psychologytoday.com...)

Impulsivity is one of them. And that is exacerbated by the presence of fire arms.

The easy presence of weapons equates to more fatal attempts at suicide and more fatal attacks on others. Both good reasons to get fire arms out of the hands of all people.

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: toms54
Maybe we could find a time when there wasn't all this suicide. Try to be more like that.

So women back in the kitchen,
Gays back in the closet,
Prayer back in school,
Blacks to the back of the bus,
Etc...

I'll pass, let's figure out a better solution.

Not duplicate a past era over again but try to learn what went wrong. Unless you actually believe that not having those things you mentioned is the cause of suicide.

Somewhere along the line there was a change that went off the rails. Otherwise it would not be this way now.

There are some hard truths in here.

One of the most ironic things about the constant "toxic masculinity" complaints that we hear these days is that we live in an overly feminized culture where most of the "toxic" males seem to have either been raised without fathers or claim to be adherents of feminism. The statistics on men raised without fathers are grim almost beyond belief.

70% of gang members, high school dropouts, teen suicides...and teen substance abusers come from single mother homes.
...80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)

...85% of all youths sitting in prisons (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Department of Corrections 1992)

a reply to: toms54

I think it is the disconnect of society, friends and family not in walking distance, loneliness in a crowd, if you know what I mean.
I'm lucky, my social group is emotionally, socially, and geographically deeply connected. Checking a mates status is walking round to their house and knocking the door, or even just walking in and shouting 'Hi' if it isn't locked.
I bet there are many millions of lonely people in cities all over Britain.