You Don't Have to Bake a Gay Cake - SCOTUS

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Teikiatsu

If you come here looking for me to create a cake for a gay wedding from scratch, I regret to inform you that I will not provide that service.

"If you come here looking for me to create a cake for an interracial wedding from scratch, I regret to inform you that I will not provide that service."

That's not the topic, is it?

Really Sherlock?

Yes, really. Is there a religious dogma that says a man and woman of different races cannot marry?

Yep. KKK used that argument. See "curse of Ham".

a reply to: Teikiatsu

why should a belief that gays shouldn't be sold wedding cakes found more worthy of protection than the belief that interracial couples shouldn't be sold wedding cakes? or inter-religious couples... couples where one or both have been through divorce.... ect.

a reply to: ketsuko

Rights of individuals end where another's begin.

There is no right to not be offended.

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Teikiatsu

So your idea of 'loving your neighbor' is to concede to their every desire and whim?

What does that mean?
You do realize that Jesus would have served and DID serve people?

Yes, He healed and ministered to sinners. He also told them to go forth and sin no more.

Yep. The baker could have served the gay couple and told them to go forth and sin no more.

Hey! We agreed!

Sure, he could have sold them all sorts of other products if they were looking for a birthday cake, etc. My understanding is that he provides non-wedding cakes to gay people without any issues at all.

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Teikiatsu

If you come here looking for me to create a cake for a gay wedding from scratch, I regret to inform you that I will not provide that service.

"If you come here looking for me to create a cake for an interracial wedding from scratch, I regret to inform you that I will not provide that service."

That's not the topic, is it?

Really Sherlock?

Yes, really. Is there a religious dogma that says a man and woman of different races cannot marry?

Yep. KKK used that argument. See "curse of Ham".

Christian dogma doesn't include a ham-fisted interpretation of a curse from Noah, last I checked.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Teikiatsu

why should a belief that gays shouldn't be sold wedding cakes found more worthy of protection than the belief that interracial couples shouldn't be sold wedding cakes? or inter-religious couples... couples where one or both have been through divorce.... ect.

Did the baker somehow deny them the ability to purchase a wedding cake?

The other examples, there may actually be some people who sincerely believe those things and they should have the right to not participate in those events, then suffer the free-market fallout. The second example is pretty far-fetched, but the third and fourth sound plausible.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

so, you believe that it is only christian dogma that should be protected?
a non-religious person can have some pretty strong beliefs about what is right and wrong.... why shouldn't their beliefs be taken just as seriously as the current christian trends?

and... I'll just leave this link here for amusement purposes....

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: Teikiatsu

LOL. "Ham-fisted". That was good. Doesn't matter. It's a religious interpretation and according to some posters here the bakers have every right to deny services to certain people based on their interpretation. This baker interpreted the Bible to mean he can not serve the gay couples or else he'll suffer the consequence.

a reply to: DBCowboy

"The outcome of cases like this in other circumstances must await further elaboration in the courts, all in the context of recognizing that these disputes must be resolved with tolerance

It seems like the Supreme Courts will allow the states to make case law and only interfere when asked to.

Find a gay Muslim bakery.

No prob.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
Find a gay Muslim bakery.

No prob.

A gay Muslim baker who like to pork?

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
Find a gay Muslim bakery.

No prob.

A gay Muslim baker who like to pork?

Sure, halal prefortably.

a reply to: mamabeth

from your link

The same Ham who takes from the State but gives little back...that hypocrite?

Ham announced on Twitter that the ark will be lit with a massive rainbow every evening. In his first tweet, Ham said, “The @ArkEncounter is lit permanently at night with a rainbow to remind the world that God owns the rainbow & is a sign of His covenant.”

www.au.org...

he was quick to point out that the facility would be a for-profit enterprise. Local officials, eager to bring jobs to the economically distressed area, showered Ham’s big boat with subsidies and support. The town of Williamstown issued $62 million in high-yield (“junk”) bonds to help finance the project. In addition, the city and surrounding Grant County created a special “tax increment financing district” that allows Ark Encounter to get back 75 percent of any increase in property taxes. The state spent millions on road upgrades. A year has passed, and it looks like Ham hasn’t been very thankful for these gifts. In fact, the formerly warm relationship between the “Ark Park” and the town has lately become a little frosty. It’s unclear how many visitors the park is drawing, Williamstown and surrounding Grant County haven’t noticed much of an economic boost and now Ham is refusing to help offset the cost of emergency services.

a reply to: MiddleInsite

But but the earth is only 6000 years old and Noah said so


en.wikipedia.org...

Religious belief
The rainbow has a place in legend owing to its beauty and the historical difficulty in explaining the phenomenon. In Greco-Roman mythology, the rainbow was considered to be a path made by a messenger (Iris) between Earth and Heaven. In Chinese mythology, the rainbow was a slit in the sky sealed by goddess Nüwa using stones of five different colours.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Teikiatsu

so, you believe that it is only christian dogma that should be protected?
a non-religious person can have some pretty strong beliefs about what is right and wrong.... why shouldn't their beliefs be taken just as seriously as the current christian trends?

and... I'll just leave this link here for amusement purposes....

www.dailymail.co.uk...

To be consistent, I believe that anyone's religious beliefs should be protected so long as it does not infringe on other people's right to life, liberty, etc. I'll draw the line at ritual sacrifice, deal?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Hey I wanna sacrifice virgins.... in a different way.

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Teikiatsu

LOL. "Ham-fisted". That was good.

Doesn't matter. It's a religious interpretation and according to some posters here the bakers have every right to deny services to certain people based on their interpretation. This baker interpreted the Bible to mean he can not serve the gay couples or else he'll suffer the consequence.

No, he interpreted it to believe he will not participate (ie offer services to) an event that celebrates a lifestyle that includes a behavior that he believes is sinful.

He has sold other products of his own creation to gay people, and saying otherwise is a blatant lie.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: Teikiatsu

LOL. "Ham-fisted". That was good.

Doesn't matter. It's a religious interpretation and according to some posters here the bakers have every right to deny services to certain people based on their interpretation. This baker interpreted the Bible to mean he can not serve the gay couples or else he'll suffer the consequence.

No, he interpreted it to believe he will not participate (ie offer services to) an event that celebrates a lifestyle that includes a behavior that he believes is sinful.

He has sold other products of his own creation to gay people, and saying otherwise is a blatant lie.

Correct. As I have stated the racist bakers can interpret it to refuse service to interracial or black couples and there's nothing we can do about it as a few posters here have stated. That's my original point. Anyone can twist the Bible to mean anything.

a reply to: amazing

False. They sided with the baker in that the Colorado Commission handling the case originally did so with prejudice.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: amazing

False. They sided with the baker in that the Colorado Commission handling the case originally did so with prejudice.

Right. Which is a win for civil rights. But he still can't discriminate yet.