MH17 Joint Investigation team. Press conference Live..

a reply to: Salander

Most of the Evidence is logged and noted.. Most of the Russian Hoaxes have been debunked most especially the Radar blah
and the Satellite Hoax.

I was looking for the best open documentary done by the BBC but it is not now on youtube and unavailable on their iplayer.
I found it here..

documentaryvine.com...

Take note of the pictures taken that captured the exhaust smoke from the Buk fired from near Pervomaiskyi Published very soon after the fatal launch..



Here is the written transcript from the press conference.. Snippets then link.

Our main conclusion was that on the basis of the criminal investigation results it could be established that Flight MH17 was shot down on 17 July 2014 by a BUK missile from the 9M38 series, which was fired from an agricultural field in the area of Pervomaiskyi. At that time this area was controlled by pro-Russian separatists. The presentation also demonstrated that the missile from the 9M38 series was fired by a BUK-TELAR. This BUK-TELAR was brought in from the territory of the Russian Federation and was returned to Russian Federation territory after use.

Conclusion – Fred Westerbeke: Today, the JIT has concluded that the BUK-TELAR which was used to shoot down flight MH17 originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian armed forces. This observation raises questions, such as the question whether the Brigade itself was actively involved in the downing of flight MH17 on 17 July 2014. An important question, which the JIT is still investigating. So far, the Russian authorities have not yet reported to the JIT that a BUK of the 53rd Brigade was deployed in Eastern Ukraine and that it was used to shoot down flight MH17. Already on 15 October 2014, we asked the Russian authorities to give us (in line with UN Security Council resolution 2166) all information that may be relevant to the discovery of the truth. Because the JIT no longer wants to turn exclusively to the Russian authorities to obtain information on this subject, today - via the media - we also call in the help of the public to answer questions about control and use of the BUK TELAR, as well as about the missile that was probably launched with that TELAR.

www.om.nl...

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Azureblue


Your questions and observations are spot on.

From the beginning, and just like the Skripal incident, the accusers have not offered a shred of evidence to prove their claims. And in the meantime, all the early photos and videos and witness statements were taken down from the internet.

What the west has proved again is that it is in full time Coverup Mode. A propaganda push meant to vilify Russia.

Good grief are you still making these claims? You did the same back in 2015 with claims of videos removed.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It was simply footage of an another shoot down over Ukraine. This one with the engine on fire. With fast moving events and social media such footage is always going to be mislabelled. Think about your claims in regards to the BBC. Think how many people would have seen your claimed footage and yet nobody has a recording of this unique MH17 footage? Not one person or organisation?

The early footage doing the rounds was a Ukranian An-30 that was shot down.

Even today it is still labelled as MH17 shoot down footage.



The footage was from the 6th June 2014

tvzvezda.ru...

The bellingcat press conference reported.

The investigation connected several of the dots based on documentation to lead them to the man with the call sign "Orion."

www.rferl.org...

a reply to: tommyjo


Yeah, I guess I am still aware of the deception involved in the official story. Yes, I'm still aware of the 24/7 effort by Washington to vilify Russia and Putin. Yes, I'm still aware of the false flag operation being a big card frequently played by Washington and London.

Yes, I understand that you still believe what you're told by propagandists. I'm able to recognize propaganda, and it seems you are not. It's quite alright.

The government must have its bogey man to thrash about, but all that means is that their lies and deception are brought in the open. Some of us can perceive it, some cannot.

AAM to the engine, and then the shooting gallery on the way down. Great shooting btw.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: tommyjo


Yeah, I guess I am still aware of the deception involved in the official story. Yes, I'm still aware of the 24/7 effort by Washington to vilify Russia and Putin. Yes, I'm still aware of the false flag operation being a big card frequently played by Washington and London.

Yes, I understand that you still believe what you're told by propagandists. I'm able to recognize propaganda, and it seems you are not. It's quite alright.

The government must have its bogey man to thrash about, but all that means is that their lies and deception are brought in the open. Some of us can perceive it, some cannot.

Yet you still can't work out that the footage you saw was simply old footage mislabelled. Why can't you understand this basic concept? It happens all the time and especially with fast moving events on social media.

originally posted by: Salander
AAM to the engine, and then the shooting gallery on the way down. Great shooting btw.

No not an AAM (Air to Air Missile) but a MANPAD and then anti aircraft fire if you are referring to the Antonov 30.

aviation-safety.net...

a reply to: Salander

Fake News dude tried a few times but easily de bunked.. Believe your mother Russia
Or the 5 Countries honestly Investigating . Easy choice really.

a reply to: tommyjo


No. Because it was quickly taken down, the footage I saw was fatal to the official story told by the media. In a time of universal deception, electronic suppression of evidence is a handy tool for propagandists.


The early footage showed clearly that the airplane had been struck by cannon fire, and that's why it was so quickly suppressed.

A more interesting question would be : "why do you believe a story with so many holes in it?" No pun intended.

a reply to: skywatcher44

For an independent thinker like myself, definitely an easy choice.

Do I believe what I saw on videos and pictures that were quickly taken down by powers known for their mendacity, or do I believe the words and pronouncements of known liars?

A very easy choice.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: skywatcher44

For an independent thinker like myself, definitely an easy choice.

Do I believe what I saw on videos and pictures that were quickly taken down by powers known for their mendacity, or do I believe the words and pronouncements of known liars?

A very easy choice.

Well you have well and truly been hoodwinked my friend,, No bullets were found in the cockpit seats or framing only shards from a Buk missile. You carry on believing in your Russian propagandized version quickly retracted as found to be false.. Good day.

a reply to: skywatcher44


Actually sir, it is YOU who have been hoodwinked. For that you can thank a tremendous propaganda push, which this latest report from Holland makes the push nearly 4 years old.

Fear not my friend, when everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts. Bravo!

a reply to: Salander

Russia should do its own investigations again and have another press conference with that Radar ( De bunked ) and that dodgy fighter Jet picture that was proved docted.. I think they may well invade Ukraine Again after the word cup ? ( Hope not ) so they may yet get back on the panel but their/Your truth will be law then if anyone still standing ? I would love to know the real truth you to of course..

Note the metal pieces found in the cockpit frame and Pilot's bodies parts of a Buk not Rounds from an air cannon..
160 commercial flights passed over that area on the 17th July 2014 before the airspace was closed..

a reply to: skywatcher44

Sounds like another case of accusation equals guilt.

Nothing in the article about EVIDENCE let alone PROOF.

Funny how this "investigation" plays out and finds Russia guilty just when its also coming attack from other quarters regarding similar themed matters. Timing couldn't have been better for the prosecution.

Funny how the mutual self gagging agreement between Australia, Nederlands and Malaysia can be turned on and off at will. Is it Australia or the Netherlands that runs the mutual gagging game.

originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: skywatcher44

Sounds like another case of accusation equals guilt.

Nothing in the article about EVIDENCE let alone PROOF.

Funny how this "investigation" plays out and finds Russia guilty just when its also coming attack from other quarters regarding similar themed matters. Timing couldn't have been better for the prosecution.

Funny how the mutual self gagging agreement between Australia, Nederlands and Malaysia can be turned on and off at will. Is it Australia or the Netherlands that runs the mutual gagging game.

I Just want the truth to be found for those 298 departed..
The evidence has been produced . They are not allowed to blame.. Russia has had many variations of stories most de-bunked, hell they even agree it was a BUK do you know ? Or they have done before.

Under the rules of international crash investigations, the DSB has no authority to apportion blame, although board chairman Tjibbe Joustra said later that pro-Russian rebels had been in charge of the area from where the fateful missile was fired. For months, Russian experts directly challenged the DSB's findings, and all the while the Russian arguments constantly appeared to change.

A few days after the air crash Russia's Ministry of Defence suggested the Boeing 777 was downed by an air-to-air missile. It said Russian radar had spotted a Ukrainian fighter jet 3-5km (2-3 miles) away from the plane. In July 2015, Russia's investigative committee repeated the allegation, saying the missile "was not produced in Russia". And this version was widely promoted by Russian state TV, with one channel even showing an experiment involving a fighter jet firing on an old plane. But then the story switched, and Russian missile company Almaz-Antey blew up another plane to prove MH17 had been downed by a BUK surface-to-air missile. In another apparent chess move, Moscow was now arguing that MH17 was brought down by a rocket launched from Ukrainian government-held territory, although it acknowledged it was missile made by Almaz-Antey.

As the Dutch Safety Board prepared its report, several meetings were held with Russian specialists, who analysed the information they were given and at their last joint meeting questioned the Dutch findings. The Russian team put forward three arguments:
The blast location for the warhead was closer to the plane than the DSB said
MH17 must have been hit by a different, older type of BUK missile
The BUK missile must have been launched from a different area

July 2014 positions..


www.bbc.co.uk...

www.bbc.co.uk...

www.google.co.uk...@48.5617129,39.3474213,8z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40e0527fe326ac47:0xa186a4453c6 414ce!8m2!3d48.0282789!4d38.7656122

Peace.

a reply to: skywatcher44


Oh my, what a sweet appeal to emotion. You're here because you want to make things right for those who died.

Very sweet, but totally void in facts, and totally oblivious to the strong record for mendacity and propaganda held by the NATO folks.

The goal was to crucify Russia in the public eye, nothing more.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: skywatcher44


Oh my, what a sweet appeal to emotion. You're here because you want to make things right for those who died.

Very sweet, but totally void in facts, and totally oblivious to the strong record for mendacity and propaganda held by the NATO folks.

The goal was to crucify Russia in the public eye, nothing more.

So the picture above with the launch zone nominated by The Russian federation defence group or the Russian Missile manufacturer you notice that ? and the little map up in the corner showing how far into the Russian/Rebel area the launch Zone was you Notice that also ? Also the fact that you have produced no evidence of your version of sad events and most Russian attempts have fallen down.. Have a heart for those wasted lives and stop with your conspiracy rubbish about the Five fair countries investigating opposed by Russian hatred of Ukraine which is like the dark bitterness of a spurned Lover..
RT and Russian media have done such a propaganda indoctrination job on Russian peoples and supporters most are still spouting the Ukraine fighter Jet rubbish and an Air to Air strike with cannon fire all correctly DE-BUNKED. :

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: tommyjo


No. Because it was quickly taken down, the footage I saw was fatal to the official story told by the media. In a time of universal deception, electronic suppression of evidence is a handy tool for propagandists.


The early footage showed clearly that the airplane had been struck by cannon fire, and that's why it was so quickly suppressed.

A more interesting question would be : "why do you believe a story with so many holes in it?" No pun intended.

LOL. Not again! So "quickly taken down" that nobody, and I mean nobody got a copy of it? So "quickly taken down" that nobody mentioned it on social media? Come on, seriously. Nobody referenced it on any form of media?

If you are referring to the cockpit footage that isn't "cannon fire" but fragmentation warhead damage. You are clearly living in a fantasy land if you think that what you claim was unique "suppressed footage" could be shown and nobody got a copy or referenced it on social media.

a reply to: tommyjo

Come on seriously TommyJo--just because you didn't see them doesn't mean they weren't there. I saw them and others saw them, and then others saw them and realized they obliterated the official story, and however the chain of command works in that business, had them taken down.


Come on seriously TommyJo, some of have actually seen aircraft and other objects hit by cannon fire. Maybe you have not, but I have. Seriously, some of us have seen damage from Claymore mines and other HE devices. And yes, some of us can recognize such damage.


So deal with the propaganda in your own style, as I do.

You accept the propaganda, I see through it and reject it. Seriously, some of us are able to recognize propaganda, even as some of us are completely clueless about it.


MH17 was a large propaganda effort to frame Russia. It may have served other purposes as well, but its main goal was to frame Russia.