Revenge of the Immune System

Well I tried to hold out, I tried to hunker down, I tried to fight back. I've crammed myself full of beets and tuna with olive oil. I'm in tons of pain and can hardly move around right now. I'm calling the doctor tomorrow to try and find a rheumatologist.

Needless to say it couldn't have come at a worse time for me. I can't really afford to miss work, but I can't afford to forego medication either, as that will also result in loss of my ability to work. Affording the medication will be tough but hopefully it'll all fall back into place.

Damned if I do, damned if I don't! But if I don't, I know permanent damage to my musculature and paralysis is not far off.

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a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Could cherry juice (the real stuff) help at all?

It does help with gout and many friends have had great success with it. I don't think it could hurt.

It's supposed to help with immune system issues as well.

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4. Speeds up Healing Process

The anti-inflammatory properties, as well as the presence of antioxidants, help speed up the healing process after intense physical activities. Muscle soreness and body stiffness that are caused by physical activities can be greatly reduced by consuming tart cherry juice. This is because the tart cherry juice will prove to be beneficial in decreasing the inflammation and the pain associated with it at a faster rate than others. So if you find yourself stiff and sore due to intense exercise at the gym, you can consume tart cherry juice for a quicker healing process.

You can make cartilagenous bone broth from beef soup bones, it helps to dampen the immune system. Some cabbage and carrots and celery in it along with salt can help to dampen it too. Add about eight drops of tabasco sauce and onions, the sulfur and onions help keep the n-acetylcystiene from falling apart. Dark meat chicken is the best, because it contains more taurine which has neuromodulator activity and it has more cartilage that dampens the immune system. Collagen can help to dampen it, chicken skin has a high collagen content too.

Or, here is some information on a cheaper version. Sodium can help to moderate the potassium a little to lower the immune strength. But there is more with this link than that. I would say a half a teaspoon in a glass of water can dampen it enough.

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Many veggies build the immune system, be aware of that. Beets contain betaine, that is a methyl product, trimethylglycine,you would think that would boost the immune system. Tuna isn't that good for autoimmune, it contains chemistry similar to mackeral and sardines which can boost immune response. Whitefish or cod might be a better choice for that, even pollack which is similar in taste to cod and cheap. Avoid overconsumption of tyramine foods, we need some but too much is no good. A ketogenic diet also works to dampen it, so do foods containing taurine. The dark meat of chicken contains way more taurine than white meat. Same with the dark in all of the meats. N-acetylcysteine containing foods also dampen it, homemade soups work well to supply that or there are suplements.

A considerable amount of the food chemistry I use to control my epilepsy also moderates the immune response and also dampens available energy for cancer cells, so the tumors cannot grow and the immune system can fight it because it is only dampened. A wild immune system has a hard time fighting anything, it causes lots of damage in the body.

I am probably just repeating myself with some of this from commentson the other thread. I think the baking soda article is newer than my last comment, I have not tested the baking soda on myself yet to see if it works though. I do not think baking soda would control my epilepsy though, the method of action probably is wrong.

Baking soda, not baking powder. Try to stay away from eating stuff made with baking powder that contains alum or aluminum chemistry in it, it is bad for autoimmune because aluminum is a neurostimulant. Also watch the pickles, buy the ones that do not say alum on them. Soft fast melting cheeses sometimes have alum in them to melt faster, don't get the cheesefood american cheeses.

I do colloidal silver for joint pain

under the toungue sorta as much as i can hold it there

3 spoons a day

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Checked your other threads. Are you sure you haven't been misdiagnosed and actually have pitirysis rubra Polaris? The only things that work with prp are drugs like soriatane, Accutane and methotrexate. Your condition sounds a lot like my father's, who has prp. Get an hla scan, if you come out 4b27 or 4b28 positive, you likely have an aberrant immune system. You can also have them check for a P53 protein flag in skin samples.

BTW, is the redness symmetrical on the left and ride sides?

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Affording the medication will be tough but hopefully it'll all fall back into place.

Try the aca. It works great for me and my mother. Our meds are very affordable.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Checked your other threads. Are you sure you haven't been misdiagnosed and actually have pitirysis rubra Polaris? The only things that work with prp are drugs like soriatane, Accutane and methotrexate. Your condition sounds a lot like my father's, who has prp. Get an hla scan, if you come out 4b27 or 4b28 positive, you likely have an aberrant immune system. You can also have them check for a P53 protein flag in skin samples.

BTW, is the redness symmetrical on the left and ride sides?

Cheers - Dave

methotrexate is used to treat autoimmune issues too. It is anti-folate and blocks the uptake of some nutrients from the digestive system. I am not fond of how it works, there must be a better way than that. I think, but am not positive, that it blocks calcium channels too. That would lower the ability of the immune system to function well. Limiting calcium in the diet would do the same thing.

Neurontin works by increasing gaba and inhibiting calcium channels. Taurine moderates calcium channels and also increases GABA. Taurine is cheap, less than the copay on the meds. If you are hypoglycemic you have to watch taurine, it increases the uptake of insulin at cell receptors and also it also lowers lipids in the blood because of it's activity in the bile. It can lower the lipids too low for those on meds for diabetis or those who naturally produce too much insulin.

I haven't studied the two other meds you listed yet, I know a lot about the method of action of classes of drugs, not necessarily by brand name.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Checked your other threads. Are you sure you haven't been misdiagnosed and actually have pitirysis rubra Polaris? The only things that work with prp are drugs like soriatane, Accutane and methotrexate. Your condition sounds a lot like my father's, who has prp. Get an hla scan, if you come out 4b27 or 4b28 positive, you likely have an aberrant immune system. You can also have them check for a P53 protein flag in skin samples.

BTW, is the redness symmetrical on the left and ride sides?

Cheers - Dave

methotrexate is used to treat autoimmune issues too. It is anti-folate and blocks the uptake of some nutrients from the digestive system. I am not fond of how it works, there must be a better way than that. I think, but am not positive, that it blocks calcium channels too. That would lower the ability of the immune system to function well. Limiting calcium in the diet would do the same thing.

Neurontin works by increasing gaba and inhibiting calcium channels. Taurine moderates calcium channels and also increases GABA. Taurine is cheap, less than the copay on the meds. If you are hypoglycemic you have to watch taurine, it increases the uptake of insulin at cell receptors and also it also lowers lipids in the blood because of it's activity in the bile. It can lower the lipids too low for those on meds for diabetis or those who naturally produce too much insulin.

I haven't studied the two other meds you listed yet, I know a lot about the method of action of classes of drugs, not necessarily by brand name.

Imuran is another one like methotrexate, but even pricier. If you want to check on the users mailing list for prp, it HERE. You can get a lot of info from the archived and current mailing lists on this rather rare form of auto-immune disease. When my father got it he turned symmetrically red with very bad flaking of the skin, his hair turned white and his eyes changed from brown to blue, was very strange. The prp seemed to be a p53 triggered flag that was indicative of the bowel cancer he was developing. He had surgery, removed the cancer and went into prp remission. The cancer was however still in his system, cells were in his blood and lymph nodes. When he got liver cancer, the prp came back. He had a second surgery removing the liver cancer and again the prp went into remission. About 3 years ago the cancer moved again and they found nodes on his lungs. We caught it fast though and blocked the cancers, thereby blocking a new recurrence of prp.

I have only second hand experience with prp (father and uncle), but our family is hla 4b27 positive, so my brothers and I have to deal with ankylosing spondylitus, uvietis and iritis. Methotrexate is a viable solution to reset the auto-immune system if monitored properly for liver and other issues.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: rickymouse

I will look to your posts for long term management, thanks! I am always impressed with your knowledge of nutritional chemistry.

Unfortunately my muscles are so swollen I feel like I'm walking around in a puffball suit. I'm also in crazy levels of pain.

I am in the ER trying to get some temporary relief before I OD on naproxin and ibuprofin.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Checked your other threads. Are you sure you haven't been misdiagnosed and actually have pitirysis rubra Polaris? The only things that work with prp are drugs like soriatane, Accutane and methotrexate. Your condition sounds a lot like my father's, who has prp. Get an hla scan, if you come out 4b27 or 4b28 positive, you likely have an aberrant immune system. You can also have them check for a P53 protein flag in skin samples.

BTW, is the redness symmetrical on the left and ride sides?

Cheers - Dave

methotrexate is used to treat autoimmune issues too. It is anti-folate and blocks the uptake of some nutrients from the digestive system. I am not fond of how it works, there must be a better way than that. I think, but am not positive, that it blocks calcium channels too. That would lower the ability of the immune system to function well. Limiting calcium in the diet would do the same thing.

Neurontin works by increasing gaba and inhibiting calcium channels. Taurine moderates calcium channels and also increases GABA. Taurine is cheap, less than the copay on the meds. If you are hypoglycemic you have to watch taurine, it increases the uptake of insulin at cell receptors and also it also lowers lipids in the blood because of it's activity in the bile. It can lower the lipids too low for those on meds for diabetis or those who naturally produce too much insulin.

I haven't studied the two other meds you listed yet, I know a lot about the method of action of classes of drugs, not necessarily by brand name.

Imuran is another one like methotrexate, but even pricier. If you want to check on the users mailing list for prp, it HERE. You can get a lot of info from the archived and current mailing lists on this rather rare form of auto-immune disease. When my father got it he turned symmetrically red with very bad flaking of the skin, his hair turned white and his eyes changed from brown to blue, was very strange. The prp seemed to be a p53 triggered flag that was indicative of the bowel cancer he was developing. He had surgery, removed the cancer and went into prp remission. The cancer was however still in his system, cells were in his blood and lymph nodes. When he got liver cancer, the prp came back. He had a second surgery removing the liver cancer and again the prp went into remission. About 3 years ago the cancer moved again and they found nodes on his lungs. We caught it fast though and blocked the cancers, thereby blocking a new recurrence of prp.

I have only second hand experience with prp (father and uncle), but our family is hla 4b27 positive, so my brothers and I have to deal with ankylosing spondylitus, uvietis and iritis. Methotrexate is a viable solution to reset the auto-immune system if monitored properly for liver and other issues.

Cheers - Dave

My brother was diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitus. I warned him about taking calcium supplements from my own experience years ago, but he said they made him feel better and blew me off. Well, the spondylitus came to bay. They wanted to shut down his immune system, I told him not to...told him to give up the supplement and his spondylitus went into remission. There is a reason other than milk allergy that we cannot consume much milk. The symptoms of the milk allergy are a warning.

I only take a very small calcium supplement occasionally, it has some magnesium in the pill too, I only take one pill instead of two, I know better, seventeen percent of the RDA is all I need supplemented and not every day.

My cousin died of Lupus, I have a very increased risk of Lupus too, so I try to avoid triggers for that. My sister was plagued with RA. She loved milk and bread, both are very high in calcium. Keeping calcium consumption down is important with autoimmune disease, calcium and glutamate are used in the receptors to power up cells Too much is no good for people who have the genetics, even though initially you feel great. I only had knobs build up on my joints when I took the calcium supplements, my brother had fusing of things happen and where the bone was needed, it got weak. He is doing well now other than the doctors bugging him about treatment even though the spondylitis is in remission now and not bothering him at all, he is still working his mine job. His hip is bothering him, he fell at work and damaged it years ago, but he is doing ok, working light duty there now because of the damaged hip. He did not want a hip replacement yet, he figured they last twenty years, he will get one when he only has twenty years to go.

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

I took ibuprofen for about two weeks about a year ago. It seemed to work somewhat for my sore back, but after a while I started to get sore muscles throughout my back and in my left arm. Also some aches in my calfs. I never knew that it was hard on the kidneys of some people and that those side effects can occur from the kidneys not filtering correctly. I quit it and within two or three days the pains were gone, the original back pain was still there, I went to the chiropractor after the symptoms of the ibuprofen went away and I have never taken one since then. I take aspirin occasionally, that does not give me the problems ibuprofen does. The kidney issue is listed in the medical sites and so is the soreness that it can indirectly cause. I think it is an acidosis problem that occurs but cannot remember for sure. My anion gap is always high on blood tests.

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missed the first 2 parts:

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i missed the first 2 parts thanks

originally posted by: MerleWoods
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i missed the first 2 parts thanks

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