Stormy Daniels' lawyer: Cohen was paid $500K by Putin-tied company after election

a reply to: theantediluvian


Of course you see no proof of a crime being committed uin the U1 deal. But as you admit with the Cohen deal, thats why there needs to be an investigation.

Its a very simple issue; if cohen receiving half a million from a US company that may have connectioons to a russian oligarch is reason fro investigation, then surely Bill meeting Putin and getting half a million from a russian state bank is reason for an investigation at least on par with the cohen investigation.


The fact the FBi didnt feel that way again shows that when it comes to the trump camp, there is a different set of standards than with anyone else including the hillary camp.

Again you set this up as Cohen possibly failing to disclose that he was a foriegn lobbyist.

Yet again you dont answer its only trump connected people charged when they do this, when the Podesta group failed to register, they were allowed to retroactively file. When hillarys foundation failed to disclose donations they got from foreigners or people connected to foreign interests (like the U1 deal) they were also not charged.

Just like we see when trump people lie to the fbi, they are charged with it (as they should be) When Hillary people such as Mills and abedin lie to the fbi, not only are they not charged, but they are given immunity with nothing in return.

Or like we see how voracious the fbi is with trump, raiding his lawyer, using wiretaps on associates of his. But in the hillary case, they cant even keep chain of custody on the most important piece of evidence, her server.

Or how trumps team may have committed campaign finance laws that need a huge investigation; but hillarys team failing to disclose payments that went to a foreign agent to get dirt (a potential campaign finance violation) on trump from Kremlin connected sources (and then lying about it for a year) is no big deal at all.

Or when Trump connected people get payments from a ruusin person they need to have their offices raided and a pen registry on their phones, but when Bill clinton meets with Putin in srecret and gets half a million from a russian state bank its no big deal at all, his office is not raided or anything of the sort.

Its every single time!

Again, I dont mind the investigation into cohen or trump people.

But it is obvious that their is a double standard for how these investigations and laws are being applied (which isnt surprising seeing as how we now know that the highest people on all 3 major intel agencies hated trump, along with many of their coworkers).

The fact that you dont ackonwledge this double standard or are ok with it is very regrettful.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

That is so wonderful that you feel that way. Your wife is very lucky.
I know because my hubby says the same about me at sixty. I know he's just being the sweet man he's always been. I know I'm not thirty anymore. I also know if he wasn't the judge I wouldn't win any beauty contest. Actually he just said I would win if I was the only one in it. Lol.
Truce because a man who loves his wife deserves honor.

a reply to: theantediluvian

And as far as Flynn and the Kislyak call.

Yeah, so what?

Somehow trump wanting better relations with russia proves his team is guilty of something?

Flynn was in the incoming adminstartion; he had every right to discuss issues with his counter part to improve relations.

Again, you are silent when it comes to Obamas SOS John Kerry, who is not an incoming member of the adminstartion, meeting in sercet with Iran to undermine trumps policies.

Also, if trump wanting to lift sanctions somehow is proof of his guilt in things russia did, does that mean Obama lifting sanctions in iran and giving them money that his SOS admitted would partially go to fund terrorism is proof of criminality on Obamas part?

Of course you had a different standard for that, didnt you?

You mention Russia liked trump and hated hillary.

Well if they hated hillary, that would make it all the more supsicious that Puting met with Bill, then his state bank gives bill half a million, then Hillary does not intervene to stop russia from buying urnaium rights from the US.

Am I saying this is proof of a crime? Of course not/.

But the fact is trunmp sanctioned the oligarch his lawyer supposedly got half a million from, and Hillary did no such thing.

In every instance, the U1 deal is more supspicious and a bigger deal, asd I have outlined.

So although it is not proof of guilt, there should be an investigation using at least equal pressure as the cohen investigation.

a reply to: TheRedneck

No it hasn't. When did they have secret meetings on tiny islands hidden away on the other side of the world in the indian ocean? When did any past president arrange a way to speak so that the rest of the government won't know about it. By pass security channels and create back channels? When did a past president lie to such a morally objectionable extent.. No one can trust him. He is totally untrustworthy.
Convince yourself there's nothing unusual with this. That's the very definition of cognizant dissonance.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Seems you are right about the subpoena.
I don't know where Avanatti got them either then but it sounds from the timeline that Mueller knew about them before Ananatti made his announcement because he stopped Vekselberg in JFK two months ago. It appears the Mueller had this bank info a while now.
Now I'm interested in knowing how he got them too.
More reading to do.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Rosey ODonnell

Funny you mention her as there is actual evidence she has committed crimes with respect to the campaign. We wait to see if the law will be applied equally in that case as well.

Thank you for the honor of memorializing my words.

No problem, seems "I'm with her" only works with some hers.

As far as this thread and the info discussed here....
www.nbcnews.com...
it is nbc news, you know the wire tap people....

Michael Avenatti provided no documentation for his claims, which he posted on Twitter

funny nbc put that right below their headline
funny they choose to run this so quickly after getting their tail caught in a crack

Cohen has disagreed with the story

Cohen disputed Avenatti's accounting but provided no details. "His document is inaccurate," he said as he left a Manhattan hotel and got into a cab Wednesday morning.

and Columbus Nova has disagreed with the story

In a statement, an attorney for Columbus Nova said the management firm is owned and controlled by Americans and not Vekselberg, who is the president of the Russian conglomerate Renovo Group.
"After the inauguration, the firm hired Michael Cohen as a business consultant regarding potential sources of capital and potential investments in real estate and other ventures," the Columbus Nova statement said.

"Reports today that Viktor Vekselberg used Columbus Nova as a conduit for payments to Michael Cohen are false. The claim that Viktor Vekselberg was involved or provided any funding for Columbus Nova's engagement of Michael Cohen is patently untrue.

"Neither Viktor Vekselberg nor anyone else other than Columbus Nova's owners, were involved in the decision to hire Cohen or provided funding for his engagement."

Also the farce that is the mueller investigation has looked into the spooky ruskies in question and they are still walking around free, and the case was referred off to NY.
Either Muellers fbi questioning of these ruskies was incompetent as they let them go or there was nothing there worthy of charges.

As the New York Times first reported last week, citing people familiar with the matter, agents working for Special Counsel Mueller searched and questioned Vekselberg as he got off a private plane in the New York area earlier this year.
Vekselberg — one of the richest men in Russia, with a fortune from aluminum and oil — also attended a much-discussed 2015 dinner in Moscow where Michael Flynn, soon to become Trump's national security adviser, was seated next to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Vekselberg, who was among the Russian oligarchs sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department last month, has not been accused of wrongdoing in connection with either Mueller's investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election or a separate probe of Cohen by the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan.

Not been accused of wrongdoing.......hmm would you look at that....

Nicholas Biase, a spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Manhattan, declined to comment on Avenatti’s report and declined to confirm its authenticity.

Thanks to another member for a PM with this info.

Well once more, as in every single major allegation against trumps team, it seems the person in question has connections to the Clintons.

New emails show Clinton Foundation staff pushed Hillary Clinton's State Department to approve a meeting between Bill Clinton and a powerful Russian oligarch as her agency lined up investors for a project under his purview.

The Clintons' relationship with Viktor Vekselberg, the billionaire whose name appears in the documents, has taken on new significance amid an expanding criminal investigation into his company. Last week, authorities raided the offices of Vekselberg's firm, Renova Group, following allegations of bribery from several of Renova's subsidiaries.

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Vekselberg's Renova Group has donated between $50,000 and $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation, donor records show. Another firm associated with Vekselberg, OC Oerlikon, donated $25,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

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The former president's travel to Russia for the speech and potential meetings with Vekselberg and others came as Hillary Clinton's State Department labored to drum up interest in a technology-sharing project, led by Vekselberg, called Skolkovo.

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Just one day after Hillary Clinton had a private phone call with John Chambers, CEO of Cisco, Medvedev met with Cisco executives in California. That same day, Vekselberg announced that Cisco and Boeing would invest in Skolkovo.

Both Cisco and Boeing are major Clinton Foundation donors. Cisco paid Bill Clinton $256,000 for a speech in Oct. 2010, just three months after Vekselberg's announcement that the firm would invest $1 billion in Skolkovo.

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The Clinton's relationship to Vekselberg continued throughout Hillary Clinton's time at the State Department.

In 2012, Desai approached members of Hillary Clinton's staff to determine whether they would have "concerns" about Vekselberg's attendance at an upcoming Clinton Global Initiative meeting, according to emails Citizens United obtained last year.

Vekselberg was reportedly questioned a year later during a 2013 investigation of alleged corruption within Skolkovo.

Russian security officials raided the Moscow offices of Renova last week amid "allegations that executives in firms controlled by Vekselberg had bribed regional officials," according to a Reuters report.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Well there we have it!

Money and connections to Vekselberg was suspicious and reason for investigation for so many on this thread; so surely his connections to the clintons should warrant the exact same type of invetsigation!

I look forward to seeing everyone ignore this, or make reasons why its ok for the VClitnons to take money from the very same russian oligarch that its wrong for trumps people to take money from.

a reply to: Grambler


Supposedly this was all investigated and nothing illegal found. Sorry.

a reply to: Sillyolme

OK, I'm not going to debate with reverse logic. There have been Russians all along. Russia did not spring into being when Trump was elected. You are taking a conclusion ("Trump is untrustworthy") and working backward to "Trump is lying," therefore "The media is not lying," therefore since the media keeps talking about Russians, there must be more Russians than normal.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Grambler


Supposedly this was all investigated and nothing illegal found. Sorry.

Oh did they raid the clinton foundations office? Did they put pen registries on their phones?

Oh thats right; its only trump connected people that get that treatment!

a reply to: Sillyolme

It appears the Mueller had this bank info a while now.
Now I'm interested in knowing how he got them too.
More reading to do.

Be careful, you may find some actors in this case are far from what they claim to be... and I'm not talking about Trump or Cohen.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Grambler

That must be fake news. Sillyolme just informed me that there were no Russians before Trump was elected.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Grambler

That must be fake news. Sillyolme just informed me that there were no Russians before Trump was elected.

TheRedneck

Isn't that something?
Seems like most of these Russian stories that are supposed to be Trump connected... end up being Hillary connected.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Grambler

That must be fake news. Sillyolme just informed me that there were no Russians before Trump was elected.

TheRedneck

I just wish they would be honest.

They have no problem with Hillary taking money from the EXACT SAME RUSSIAN they accuse trump of.

They just want trump taken down at all cost.

the fact that they cant be honest about this when it is so obvious makes everything they say suspect.

And I again reiterate; I have no problem with looking into cohen for this. He and trump and whoever else may have broke the law should be held accountable.

I just want the same standard to be applied no matter which person or party it affects.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Grambler

That must be fake news. Sillyolme just informed me that there were no Russians before Trump was elected.

TheRedneck

Isn't that something?
Seems like most of these Russian stories that are supposed to be Trump connected... end up being Hillary connected.

There are two things in common with almost every major allegation against trump.

A. They stem from people connected with hillary in some way.

B. Hillary people are not charged or investigated by investigators for the same crimes that Trump people are

Lets look at the biggest accusations.

1. George Papadopoulos.

He is connected to hillary, the maltese lawyer that set him up with russians is connected to hillary, the australian diplomat that reported this to the fbi is connected to hillary.

2. Don Jr. meeting with russian lawyer.

This woman was left in to the country by the Obama admin despite her questionable situation, and she was meeting with the Hillary employed firm Fusian GPS all around the time she met with don jr.

Her supposedly giving dirt to Don Jr. is a crime worth invetsigating, Hillarys team paying for dirt from a fdoriegn agent (and lying about it) to get on trump from kremlin sources is ok.

3. Manafort

Manafort is charged with failing to register as a foriegn lobbyist for lobbying for russian interests in 2012 and around there.

His colleague in this was the Podesta group that also failed to register, and yet they were not charged despite the fact they too did not register as a foriegn lobbyist, and were allowed to retroactively fill out paperwork.

4. The dossier

Paid for by Hillarys team, parts pushed through by Clinton hatchet man Sid Blumenthal.

Its every single time.

a reply to: butcherguy

Seems like most of these Russian stories that are supposed to be Trump connected... end up being Hillary connected.

I have noticed that most of the accusations leveled towards Trump and associates are projection... if someone is accused of lying to the FBI, we find out that the FBI heads were lying to the FBI. If someone in the Trump administration is accused of obstruction of justice, we find out that the accuser is guilty of obstruction of justice. If someone in the Trump administration is accused of collusion with Russia, we find out the accuser is guilty of collusion with Russia.

Using that pattern, Daniels' lawyer is guilty of money laundering with Russian nationals. Watch and see if evidence to support that comes out.

Of course, as Grambler keeps (correctly) pointing out, you won't get to see charges pressed... different standards and all.

TheRedneck

Novartis has confirmed that it paid as much as $1.2 million dollars to Cohen... for one meeting.

Nova rtis paid Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen more than $1 million for advice on president's approach to Obamacare – work he was unable to do

Novartis said it signed a one-year contract with Cohen's shell company, Essential Consultants, for $100,000 per month in February 2017, shortly after Trump was inaugurated as president. Novartis said it believed Cohen "could advise the company as to how the Trump administration might approach certain U.S. health-care policy matters, including the Affordable Care Act."

Okay, WOW. $100k a month? There are top lobbyist who get half that a month from countries. But wait, it gets worse.

But just a month after signing the deal, Novartis executives had their first meeting with Cohen, and afterward "determined that Michael Cohen and Essentials Consultants would be unable to provide the services that Novartis had anticipated."

It says "after one month" here but according to Tom Winter (NBC) on Twitter, it was apparently a single meeting. Despite him being apparently useless, they kept paying him:

But Novartis kept on paying Cohen, despite that fact. "As the contract, unfortunately, could only be terminated for cause, payments continued to be made until the contract expired by its own terms in February 2018," Novartis said. That means that Cohen was paid up to $1.2 million for his work. Novartis did not immediately disclose the total amount paid.

So we're to believe that Novartis paid this guy $1.2 million sight unseen to do what exactly? "advise the company as to how the Trump administration might approach certain U.S. health-care policy matters, including the Affordable Care Act."

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Grambler


Supposedly this was all investigated and nothing illegal found. Sorry.

Tell that to Manafort.....

originally posted by: toysforadults
wait, why would Trump risk losing everything for 500k??

doesn't make sense and how would this guy know this?

Mueller leaking it to him? Or are we to believe he got this himself, while unnoticed by Everyone since he got elected including Mueller?

That, or its phoney

a reply to: Grambler

A. They stem from people connected with hillary in some way.

In a stable society, everyone is three handshakes away from everybody else. (This is the basis for the "Kevin Bacon" game.) Successful politicians are successful because they are good at finding the "handshakes" they need. In other words, everybody is connected with the Clintons in some way. Even Trump.

B. Hillary people are not charged or investigated by investigators for the same crimes that Trump people are

Hillary was investigated for years. Bill was even impeached. Please stop whining because your boy can't cover his tracks properly. Incidentally, have you noticed that Fox has stopped pushing "Uranium One?" Could that possibly be because the web of rumor, innuendo, and aspersion that they have woven around Hillary is threatening to snare Trump instead?