WAR: Russia backs Iran in nuclear row

Yuran,

I cant agree that people in these countries are so oppressed

What about the Kurdish Genocide of 1998? is that not oppression?
or

Saddam Hussein Allegedly Using Rape for Political Purposes

Democracy is something alien for them. How much time will they need to get accustomed for it?.. Or may be it will never happen and people will be doomed to live outside of their historical way, their values. Moreover, they will begin to serve for western countries.

Agreed, Democracy is an alien process for them especially after decades of oppression from their leaders.
One of the strongest tools that a tyrant has to keep themselves in power is they control of news, as well as ignorance.
They will be afraid, They will need assistance. I do not say that they even need democracy, I do support the idea that they at least be given the chance to decide for themselves.

Do you want this way come true?..

I want them to be able to stand u[ for themselves, to be able to make decisions for themselves. To be an assest themselves instead of an assest for the privledged few.

You know, I always try to look for the good in things. I would love to be able to think that this visit to Iran is a good thing and totaly harmless. Iran seems like it just wants to be left alone, but I think there might be a few that are going to try to entice them into joining arms aginst us. It almost seems like one of those secret clubs in elementary school. I cant help but think that there are a few countries that are covering for each other. I would love to think that Iran is just working on producing energy for peacefull reasons. BUT Lets face it, the US has not only lost respect in a lot of countries, but we have made several enemies. I am not by any means talking trash about the US because I love my country and I am proud to be an American. I am not nieve though I know that there is corruption.
As for N. Korea though they dont realy worry me. They have been very vocal almost like they are trying to pull attention away from something. It is the quiet ones who arnt saying a word that worry me.

Originally posted by marg6043

Also - Way to go marg!

Ever notice how these guys accuse you of making assertions, but post maybe one editorial propaganda link to support their own assertions?

Thanks sofi, that is one of the reason I have to be into research so I can find good links to back my "assumptions"

And again I am with Richard, also here, but with a twist, I am not nuclear reactor expert but don't you knee water for a water nuclear reactor to make it work? and how much does Iran has. I think water in the region is a valuable thing also.

[edit on 19-2-2005 by marg6043]

Marge, the reason they make nuclear power plants near water is because these power plants need to be cool down other wise they would “melt down”. There are other ways to cool them down but the best and cheapest way is water. That’s why Bushehr power plant was built near Persian Gulf.

I think water in the region is a valuable thing also.

Water in deed is very important for us, that’s why we have more 120 dams in Iran and more dams are built every year. The recent dam that was built in Iran is the seventh highest dam in the world.

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Thanks for the pictures, so Iran does have water to power water reactors, so I wonder what the difference is and why iran prefer the uranium enrichemnt ones over the light water ones.

Light Water Reactors
The nuclear fission reactors used in the United States for electric power production are classified as "light water reactors" in contrast to the "heavy water reactors" used in Canada. Light water (ordinary water) is used as the moderator in U.S. reactors as well as the cooling agent and the means by which heat is removed to produce steam for turning the turbines of the electric generators. The use of ordinary water makes it necessary to do a certain amount of enrichment of the uranium fuel before the necessary criticality of the reactor can be maintained.

The two varieties of the light water reactor are the pressurized water reactor (PWR) and boiling water reactor (BWR).

Now iran wants to used the uranium ones. Why?

You have Uranium enrichment and the Uranium Diffusion Enrichment breed plutonioum. Heavy Water Reactors are also another type.

So which kind does Iran wants to used?

So which kind does Iran wants to used?

The reactor that is being built in Iran is heavy water reactor and this is not a new project. This project started almost 30 years ago but because of revelation and then war (Iran/Iraq) it postponed and slowed down.

kenshiro2012,

"What about the Kurdish Genocide of 1998? is that not oppression?"

Of course it was an oppression. And world leaders should interfere at such situations.
But U.S. president doesn't see any others facilities except bombing. How many peole
in Iraq have died during American war company?.. A number of victims (peaceful) were comparatevely
much larger than loss of your troopses. It was the same genocide.
I'd like to think all these actions in Iraq were not for oil. And I'd like
to consider you country as "fighter for rights". But your presence in Iraq like in Afghanistan didn't
bring observable improvements. It just brought disorder. And of course you saved your military
presence and set puppet govenments. Its became the place for your military bases...
We dont see any real improvements in social life...
And I understand that your government lies.

___________________
From Russia with truth

All governments lie.... and in Iraq many people were killed by insurgents.

Just do a search through google looking for insurgent attacks and you will see that insurgents have killed more Iraqis than soldiers.

Originally posted by subz
Russia is completely within its rights to sell this technology to Iran. ...........................................

Then perhaps the US should be selling all sorts of weapons, including helping them get nuclear power, to Chechen fighters.... Hey, the US is within it's rights to sell to whoever they want right?....

Originally posted by persian

The reactor that is being built in Iran is heavy water reactor and this is not a new project. This project started almost 30 years ago but because of revelation and then war (Iran/Iraq) it postponed and slowed down.

So the reactors are heavy water reactors,

Heavy Water Reactors
Nuclear fission reactors used in Canada use heavy water as the moderator in their reactors. Since the deuterium in heavy water is slightly more effective in slowing down the neutrons from the fission reactions, the uranium fuel needs no enrichment and can be used as mined. The Canadian style reactors are commonly called CANDU reactors.

They are the kind used in Canada, I does Canada is into nuclear weapons?, so actually the uranium used on this type of reactors is not enriched like it would be on the with the other three types.

So I feel that it would be easy to monitor how much uranium is used for the reactor and if any is used for something else.

How much uranium will these reactors will used for regular energy production function.

Any experts in the matter here?

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by subz
Russia is completely within its rights to sell this technology to Iran. ...........................................

Then perhaps the US should be selling all sorts of weapons, including helping them get nuclear power, to Chechen fighters.... Hey, the US is within it's rights to sell to whoever they want right?....

Yeah like to a rag tag bunch of Saudi's fighting in Afghanistan and to Saddam Hussein in the 80's. They're saints arent they.

Yuran:

But your presence in Iraq like in Afghanistan didn't
bring observable improvements. It just brought disorder.

Much as the Russian invasion and presence did, eh?

And of course you saved your military
presence and set puppet govenments.

Something that the Russian's could not do.

Its became the place for your military bases...

Just a few, but then again, when one does take over a country, for which again, Russia could not do, having a base or two or three seems quite the deal, eh?

We dont see any real improvements in social life...

As per who? Might want to ask the Afghanistan people themselves?

And I understand that your government lies.

As I understand that the Russian's also do, among most governments of this "civilized" world. Your point was?
BTW, from the U.S. with 'truth''.





seekerof

[edit on 20-2-2005 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by subz
ShadowXIX, whats that prove though? China threatens Taiwan frequently yet we dont stop them buying missiles from France and Russia.

The USA is the most agressive nation on the planet, it treatens war to any country that doesnt behave how it wants.

Just what exactly does proving Iran has threatend Israel prove? That it shouldnt have a nuclear power plant? That it shouldnt hae nuclear weapons? Why should Iran be so special as to warrant the threat of invasion because people "suspect" them of having aims to acquire nuclear weapons?

Where was the invasion of India or Pakistan? Oh wait, Israeli lobbyists didnt strong-arm the US government over it.

I has was proven a point in response to a post from RichardPrice saying Iran didnt act threateningly when the evidences is quite to the contrary.

Your remarks about the US are not in the same league. Iran calls for the complete destruction of a entire nation. They are not calling for regime change or the removal of a dictator in Irsael. They are publicly calling for the genocide of a people in that area. Does the US ever do that? I think not.

Why shouldnt Iran not have nuclear weapons you say. Man am I they only on that heard of the NPT. Really peoples ignorance on the subject of the NPT is amazing. See Israel is not a signing member neither is India,Pakistan or Cuba so they are not breaking any treaty.

But guess what Iran is a signing member . Someone really needs to make a thread on the NPT I have to explain this so many times its just amazing.

[edit on 20-2-2005 by ShadowXIX]

I know about the NPT but the US cant preach about treaties when it either doesnt sign up to major world treaties (Kyoto, Landmines and Rights of the Child - the US wants to keep the right to execute minors, to name a few)

How about the ABM treaty? The US reserved the right to pull out of that treaty as well.

Remind me why Iran cant do the same again?

got hypocrasy?

[edit on 21/2/05 by subz]