Gaza again.. ?

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: skywatcher44

There is to much old hate over there.

and that's the greatest, seemingly unsurmountable, obstacle to any peaceful resolution ever happening. it's all rather bleak.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: skywatcher44

This guy above is aiming to kill right ?

It worked for David Vs Goliath.

Now 19 Deaths is not that many when hundreds are throwing/cattapulting even shooting to kill..

19 death may "not be that many" but don't forget the hundreds injured by the IDF in the unrest.
When you have nothing to live for death is probably not the ultimate price.

Despotic governments are despotic regardless of their religion or history.

So what is wrong there?

Why can't they live in peace?

Don't throw rocks and don't get shot.

Sounds like a plan.

Idiots.

You're calling the Gaza population idiots?

Idiots why? Because they're being oppressed. Have no freedom. Have to hope for a better life. live in poverty of Israels making? I guess that could make them idiots.

Or idiots for fighting against oppression? I suppose then that you think George Washington, Ben Franklin and the gang were idiots too?

Do tell.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: intrptr

BEcause the PLO and palestinians were thrown out of every country they also lived in because they tried to overthrow each of those countries governments. They are nothing but traitors to their surrounding home countries. its why their home countries refuse to help them.

LOL, you just described the history of the Jews before they invaded Palestine.

Yeah. The PLO apparently loved copying Israel in everything they did apparently. The Only difference is the Israelis are backed by the US and therefore had the advantage. And they didnt invade Palestine btw. plenty of jews lived there under the regional name of Palestinianians according to the Ottoman empires records.
MOst jews were in surrounding Middle eastern countries and didnt come from europe.

a reply to: yuppa

But what about now. YOu have generations of Palestinians who were born in Gaza. Were never thrown out of another country. Why punish them because of something their grandfathers or great, great grandfathers did?

What about when the people of Gaza try to do things diplomatically like Join the UN or global human rights organizations and Israel and the US Block them. Why would we block them when they're trying to do this diplomatically? That doesn't make any sense.

Why did the US block the UN inquisition of what's going on? Wouldn't you want other countries to see what's really going on? Truth is never wrong...unlesss..you have something to hide?

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: skywatcher44

This guy above is aiming to kill right ?

It worked for David Vs Goliath.

Now 19 Deaths is not that many when hundreds are throwing/cattapulting even shooting to kill..

19 death may "not be that many" but don't forget the hundreds injured by the IDF in the unrest.
When you have nothing to live for death is probably not the ultimate price.

Despotic governments are despotic regardless of their religion or history.

So what is wrong there?

Why can't they live in peace?

Don't throw rocks and don't get shot.

Sounds like a plan.

Idiots.

You're calling the Gaza population idiots?

Idiots why? Because they're being oppressed. Have no freedom. Have to hope for a better life. live in poverty of Israels making? I guess that could make them idiots.

Or idiots for fighting against oppression? I suppose then that you think George Washington, Ben Franklin and the gang were idiots too?

Do tell.

Gaza Belongs to Egypt actually,but they refuse to retake it back because they dislike the people there. its where they send exiles they kick out of Egypt too these days. ISrael tried to give Gaza back at one time after the fighting was over.

a reply to: amazing

one mans truth is another mans lie. They have been raised to be as bad as their fathers before them.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: skywatcher44

This guy above is aiming to kill right ?

It worked for David Vs Goliath.

Now 19 Deaths is not that many when hundreds are throwing/cattapulting even shooting to kill..

19 death may "not be that many" but don't forget the hundreds injured by the IDF in the unrest.
When you have nothing to live for death is probably not the ultimate price.

Despotic governments are despotic regardless of their religion or history.

So what is wrong there?

Why can't they live in peace?

Don't throw rocks and don't get shot.

Sounds like a plan.

Idiots.

You're calling the Gaza population idiots?

Idiots why? Because they're being oppressed. Have no freedom. Have to hope for a better life. live in poverty of Israels making? I guess that could make them idiots.

Or idiots for fighting against oppression? I suppose then that you think George Washington, Ben Franklin and the gang were idiots too?

Do tell.

Gaza Belongs to Egypt actually,but they refuse to retake it back because they dislike the people there. its where they send exiles they kick out of Egypt too these days. ISrael tried to give Gaza back at one time after the fighting was over.

That's not quite true. Remember that most of these border issues are because of British colonialism and their forced borders.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: amazing

one mans truth is another mans lie. They have been raised to be as bad as their fathers before them.

So you hold Israel unaccountable and no part in any of this violence? What about Israel blocking them from going to the UN. They do that all the time. Wouldn't Isreal want that? A world stage for negotiations so the world can see what's really going on? The Truth?

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: intrptr

BEcause the PLO and palestinians were thrown out of every country they also lived in because they tried to overthrow each of those countries governments. They are nothing but traitors to their surrounding home countries. its why their home countries refuse to help them.

LOL, you just described the history of the Jews before they invaded Palestine.

... plenty of jews lived there under the regional name of Palestinianians according to the Ottoman empires records.

Judea was a peaceful place before it became Israel. It was a center of diverse world culture, a hub of trade, for centuries.

Only when the west and / or its cronies try and occupy it does it become a hell hole (Rewind to the Crusades).

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: amazing

one mans truth is another mans lie. They have been raised to be as bad as their fathers before them.

So you hold Israel unaccountable and no part in any of this violence? What about Israel blocking them from going to the UN. They do that all the time. Wouldn't Isreal want that? A world stage for negotiations so the world can see what's really going on? The Truth?

Palis killed someone I really liked one time so you can say i have no love for those pieces of crap. BUT i also blame the Israeli military leadership for it as well. If the Palis would be peaceful id side with them but they are not and never will be because they are all taught to be jack waggons. At least you dont see the IDF knifing people just walking around minding their own business. Or blowing up someone out for a cofee run for their workplace.
ANd the UN is well known for its partisan views. Israel has a seat but its not realy there to do anything.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: intrptr

BEcause the PLO and palestinians were thrown out of every country they also lived in because they tried to overthrow each of those countries governments. They are nothing but traitors to their surrounding home countries. its why their home countries refuse to help them.

LOL, you just described the history of the Jews before they invaded Palestine.

... plenty of jews lived there under the regional name of Palestinianians according to the Ottoman empires records.

Judea was a peaceful place before it became Israel. It was a center of diverse world culture, a hub of trade, for centuries.

Only when the west and / or its cronies try and occupy it does it become a hell hole (Rewind to the Crusades).

Try the ROMANS invading them. before the crusades. Judea AND israel existed at the same time.

a reply to: yuppa

Try the ROMANS invading them.

The Romans occupied the whole Mediterranean seaboard to control trade and raise tariffs. Modern Israel is but a forward base for the West, a toe hold on the Middle eastern vast wealth of natural resources.

Hitler wanted it too, but he lost and the Allies won. To the Visctor go the spoils.

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: intrptr
Why is there a border inside Israel?

Probably because bus and restaurant bombings became to groups like the PLO what baseball was to Americans.

You mean shooting back against armies of occupation and conquest , after they invade, conquer and occupy your homeland?

Oh, I forgot. Bombing buses, restaurants, malls and stabbing young children is always justifiable.

Well, that's why there's a wall and checkpoints.

Have you heard of the Lavon Affair? King David Hotel? The Zionist Jews started a terror campaign to put Israhell on the map, don't deflect onto the Palestinians. Would you have denied the French Resistance?
Those supremacists say some old book gives them the right to the land and they start illegally bulldozing villages and stealing homes for their own people. Israel is an army of occupation and the sooner the US gets rid of the fifth columnists in government the better a solution will be found. But, $149 billion so far since circa 1949 to these vampire parasites and there's no sign of them stopping the slaughter until they have Eretz Israel. Only a committed Zionist would even contemplate endorsing the actions of a rogue state that has duped the world and ignores UN protocol.
# Israel.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: amazing

one mans truth is another mans lie. They have been raised to be as bad as their fathers before them.

So you hold Israel unaccountable and no part in any of this violence? What about Israel blocking them from going to the UN. They do that all the time. Wouldn't Isreal want that? A world stage for negotiations so the world can see what's really going on? The Truth?

Palis killed someone I really liked one time so you can say i have no love for those pieces of crap. BUT i also blame the Israeli military leadership for it as well. If the Palis would be peaceful id side with them but they are not and never will be because they are all taught to be jack waggons. At least you dont see the IDF knifing people just walking around minding their own business. Or blowing up someone out for a cofee run for their workplace.
ANd the UN is well known for its partisan views. Israel has a seat but its not realy there to do anything.

No, but you do see them wearing t-shirts depicting a pregnant woman in the cross hairs or the body parts of three children playing football on the beach for the last time. How do you expect an occupied and brutalised nation to react to the invading army, roll over and negotiate? Negotiate for what exactly ? What do you seriously expect Israel to offer except servitude and restrictions for the Palestinians?

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: amazing

one mans truth is another mans lie. They have been raised to be as bad as their fathers before them.

So you hold Israel unaccountable and no part in any of this violence? What about Israel blocking them from going to the UN. They do that all the time. Wouldn't Isreal want that? A world stage for negotiations so the world can see what's really going on? The Truth?

Palis killed someone I really liked one time so you can say i have no love for those pieces of crap. BUT i also blame the Israeli military leadership for it as well. If the Palis would be peaceful id side with them but they are not and never will be because they are all taught to be jack waggons. At least you dont see the IDF knifing people just walking around minding their own business. Or blowing up someone out for a cofee run for their workplace.
ANd the UN is well known for its partisan views. Israel has a seat but its not realy there to do anything.

But we know that not all people are the same. Not all Palestinians are murderers. Some are peaceful.

It would be like if you lived in Iraq and a US drone killed your wife and children. You'd think all Americans were evil, brainwashed killers and we aren't.

A bucket of worms for sure.. How are the Israelis meant to deal with insurrection and Terrorism ?
Turn the other cheek like most others would not do ?
While Hamas control Gaza and look to create more martyrs this is what happens and such has happened for the last 70 years.
Go back before that there were hangings, firing squads or even earlier off with heads for such insurrections.
Israel have always been strict because weakness gets more incidents. The only time things have improved is when the Palestinians have had peaceful intended leaders, it is never for long as they get pushed aside or worse..
The deal was on the table at the start of Israel but was always rejected, in the meantime settlements in Israel
have flourished and maybe over 125 are now in areas that were offered to the Palestinians with close to 1/2 a million settlers and some in Government aim for a Million.
If you have a sensible solution pipe up ?

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck

I guess they aren't that imaginative or resourceful, or aren't really serious about killing anyone. I imagine that most Palestinians aren't interested in an all out war with casualties, just a smaller percentage are using violent resistance.

Lots of funds supporting the effort. Many of these "freedom fighters" are getting paid to do what they are doing. Most is just propaganda...

a reply to: skywatcher44


How about get the hell out of Palestine for a start? Get out of the Golan heights. Get the hell out of America. If they want to live in some chosenistic enclave start one up where nobody else actually lives.

originally posted by: Fermy
a reply to: skywatcher44


How about get the hell out of Palestine for a start? Get out of the Golan heights. Get the hell out of America. If they want to live in some chosenistic enclave start one up where nobody else actually lives.

Israel was legally re created under the rules of the former body the UN used to be. And they didnt invade either a majority of them were already living there and started calling themselves Israelis when Israel was re created. You hate westerners messing with palestine? The romans renamed it to palestinia and changed everyone to palestinians even jews. So you are against the league of nations righting a historic wrong?

originally posted by: Fermy
a reply to: skywatcher44


How about get the hell out of Palestine for a start? Get out of the Golan heights. Get the hell out of America. If they want to live in some chosenistic enclave start one up where nobody else actually lives.

Well you can blame the British, the Americans, the Israeli's, the Egyptians, the Jordanians, the Syrians, the Russians,
the Ottomans, the Romans O and the % of Palestinians who jumped on the cause bandwagon and have never had roots in that area.
Your Martyrs will only bring more sorrow and only some peace will bring further peace. There was only sand and scrub in most of those now thriving enclaves within Israel .
Best of luck with your Evil wishes.. Shalom..