Trump: We Will Guard Our Border With Our Military

a reply to: Xcalibur254

got anything that says the President can legally deploy the military on US soil in this case?

I just realized I didnt answer your question. I apologize.
Want me to quote the military rules of engagement or the military code ? It would take a rather lengthy post ...

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

"Posse Comitatus" has nothing to do with sending troops to defend the international border.

Will they be deployed on US Soil?

Posse Comitatus expressly forbids a sitting president from using the military for law enforcement, and border security is a law enforcement function.

and border security is a law enforcement function.

No , it is not. Law enforcement is local and State. Border Security is Federal.

BS or ignorance? Only your brain knows.

Law Enforcement can be local or federal. Christ, it is like you forgot about the FBI.

Military can not be federally deployed for Law Enforcement activities.

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United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is the largest federal law enforcement agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security
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Well ,yeah . I believe I stated Border Security is a Federal Responsibility.
And your debate point is......

Well, yeah. You can "believe" you stated that if it helps you feel better, but it aint what you stated.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: soberbacchus

"Posse Comitatus" has nothing to do with sending troops to defend the international border.

Will they be deployed on US Soil?

Posse Comitatus expressly forbids a sitting president from using the military for law enforcement, and border security is a law enforcement function.

and border security is a law enforcement function.

No , it is not. Law enforcement is local and State. Border Security is Federal.

BS or ignorance? Only your brain knows.

Law Enforcement can be local or federal. Christ, it is like you forgot about the FBI.

Military can not be federally deployed for Law Enforcement activities.

..
United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is the largest federal law enforcement agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security
..

Well ,yeah . I believe I stated Border Security is a Federal Responsibility.
And your debate point is......

Well, yeah. You can "believe" you stated that if it helps you feel better, but it aint what you stated.

You even did a quote of my post earlier ,
My exact post
Whats wrong , you tired and missed that part ?
I know how that goes

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: shooterbrody

Actually it is the job of the National Guard to guard the nation. I mean it's right there in the name.

Ummm. No. The National Guard is under command by the Governor of each State . Their responsibility starts and ends with that State.

Depends on the role in which it is activated. If they are under Title 32 orders than it would be the governor, if it is under Title 10 then it would be POTUS. All depends on what they are being activated for and by who.

I am curious as to how this group of 1000-1500 people are trekking so far to America? If they are refugees seeking asylum, why are they not seeking asylum in Mexico? It would make more sense 'culturally' would it not? How are they feeding themselves? For that matter, how are they able to protect the women and children in their group against attack?

I mean I would imagine if this group of folks can afford to trek and feed themselves 100s of miles, they would be an easy victim to multiple attacks along the way...yes?

Are they arriving on our border with armed protection intending to make demands?

I honestly can understand families needing to leave their country but why the push for the long distant America when Mexico is closer to home, culture, and language?

I can also see where military may be needed and or used as a supportive role assisting the border guard. Basically a military wall that would indeed be intimidating. I would rather my military family members were here in America securing our own borders and not securing foreign nations borders. That is a given, naturally.

originally posted by: Grimmley

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: shooterbrody

Actually it is the job of the National Guard to guard the nation. I mean it's right there in the name.

Ummm. No. The National Guard is under command by the Governor of each State . Their responsibility starts and ends with that State.

Depends on the role in which it is activated. If they are under Title 32 orders than it would be the governor, if it is under Title 10 then it would be POTUS. All depends on what they are being activated for and by who.

That is true. I shall quantify that statement by :
1) Under normal conditions such natural disasters , rioting , the National Guard falls under the command of the State government
2) In the case of a National Emergency they may be placed under command of the Commander in Chief . Yet , only operational in the State they are based in.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Grimmley

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: shooterbrody

Actually it is the job of the National Guard to guard the nation. I mean it's right there in the name.

Ummm. No. The National Guard is under command by the Governor of each State . Their responsibility starts and ends with that State.

Depends on the role in which it is activated. If they are under Title 32 orders than it would be the governor, if it is under Title 10 then it would be POTUS. All depends on what they are being activated for and by who.

That is true. I shall quantify that statement by :
1) Under normal conditions such natural disasters , rioting , the National Guard falls under the command of the State government
2) In the case of a National Emergency they may be placed under command of the Commander in Chief . Yet , only operational in the State they are based in.

the NDAA allows president to deploy US troops on US soil for national defense. And guarding our borders from Invaders fall sunder that.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: dug88
....why does 2018 seem so similar to 1938??

FDR became President in 1933. 👋

Ya well extreme nationalism, xenophobia, military level police actions and tightening control over the population's actions were fairly popular across Europe in the late 30's...much like America today. I dunno what Roosevelt has to do with anything. I meant more the general climate of the world today.

a reply to: Gothmog

Why should i know all this?

I know enough to know its a nonsensical notion at best which will have very little effect regarding the influx of people into the continental united states.

I know enough to know it's going to cost monies and possibly cause atrocity and death.

a reply to: xuenchen

About time...

Mexico announced they will intercept and disband that caravan heading to the US from Central American countries. They will also provide humanitarian refugee assistance for the ones who will remain in Mexico.


On the other side of the Border Huntington Beach California opted to join the lawsuit challenging the states sanctuary policies. This comes after Los Alimitos, Orange County and I am seeing reports the City of San Diego will most likely join the lawsuit as well.

I didnt think it was possible but apparently the CA state government went a bridge to far.

If California keeps ignoring immigration laws Trump needs to declare California in a state of rebellion to federalize their national guard to enforce those laws the State is interfering with / outright ignoring.

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: dug88
....why does 2018 seem so similar to 1938??

FDR became President in 1933. 👋

Ya well extreme nationalism, xenophobia, military level police actions and tightening control over the population's actions were fairly popular across Europe in the late 30's...much like America today. I dunno what Roosevelt has to do with anything. I meant more the general climate of the world today.

Try again...

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: TheLotLizard

The military was never intended to be deployed on US soil. It was supposed to be up to the states, and the militia by extension, to defend the US on US soil.

Doesn’t the oath “ defend from enemies foreign and domestic” ring a bell?

Presidents receive formatting information from advisors that we armchair forum "experts" never considered.. For instance:

I don’t know how many people are connecting the dots of President Trump’s border security proposals, and the increased urgency therein, to the upcoming -almost guaranteed- outcome of the Mexican election… but the connection is too brutally obvious to be ignored by the intellectually honest.

With a commanding -and growing- 18 point lead, it is almost a certainty our closest Southern neighbor is going to be run by a far-left Marxist ideologue, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.

It is against this backdrop, and the certain conflict with the U.S. economy, where we see a renewed sense of urgency from President Trump today...

Continued at: theconservativetreehouse.com...

If this Andres Manuel Lopez is "far-left", just like our USA "far-left" politicians, he may open the jails and airlift prisoners into CA/AZ/TX. Our military needs to be ready for that possibility.

a reply to: carewemust

Mexico could become another "Cuba" or "North Korea" 🆘

a reply to: xuenchen

If we want to see what America would have become if Hillary Clinton had won, all we need to do is keep our eye on Mexico after their far-left El Presidente takes over.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: xuenchen
June 2014 article..

Report: 90% of illegals skip immigration court appearances; 135,000 will go missing

Ninety percent of the mostly-teen illegal immigrants flooding over the Mexico-U.S. border won't show up for their immigration court hearing, meaning at least 135,000 of the youths will simply vanish into the country this year alone, according to a key House committee chairman.

😃

And yet there is STILL a backlog of 600,000 Illegal Immigrants waiting to be processed. UNREAL. Can't blame Obama either. Republicans have run Congress since 2012.

Except Obama created the border corridor "constitution free zones" So if military is going to be used it won't be illegal anymore. Perhaps Trump will be thanking Obama now.

I think it was Obama did that, can't remember.

People are saying it will be illegal to use military at the border, but the law doesn't apply along 100 mile corridor around borders.

a reply to: Gothmog

Actually no still not completely accurate. They can be placed under Title 10 orders at anytime. In fact even if the governors have them activated under Title 32 status, they can be called up to Title 10 status. If they are activated under Title 10, due to a national emergency they can be activated and sent anywhere needed. For that matter, they can deploy to any state or territory under Title 32 as well, under RFRs -Request for Resources.