Democracy at its root is a leftist ideology

a reply to: neo96

I support gun rights and I'm a leftist who has never owned a gun.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: ScepticScot

Try again.

Constitutional Republic.

simple.wikipedia.org...

I don't need to, I was correct first time. The US is both.

Ok class everyone say it with me...
republic

republic

republic

A true democracy does not work beyond about the size of a city state, and would certainly never work on the level of the United states.

a reply to: ScepticScot

No it isn't.

See the presidential election.

The people don't elect their own president.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: ScepticScot

No it isn't.

See the presidential election.

The people don't elect their own president.

They don't directly elect the president.


Which is nothing to do with it being democratic or not.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

I think you hit a lot of great points on the head JC, however there are a few things I think are important to add

I am a conservative voter (typically, although locally we've elected to vote for Democrats fairly consistently). I do not personally like abortion, but am pro-choice because it isn't my place to force my beliefs onto others. I am pro-LGTB, not because I prefer those lifestyle choices but because they are people with rights and I support their rights as I hope they would support mine.

And I suppose the change vs. tradition is where the "radical vs. reactionary" comes from. In a sense, you are correct. Only in my personal view of "MAGA", I don't see it as a return to a bygone era or the resurrection of terrible social policies (like legalized slavery, oppression of women and minorities, etc). I see it exclusively through the lens of upholding our Constitutional rights. Including the right of all people to be free and to choose their own path forward in life.

I suppose my opposition to what you would call progress is really non-existent. Like many others, I realize that historically progress is inevitable. Technology has accelerated that, no doubt about it. But the only reason I ever oppose specific acts is because I disapprove of the method/means vs. the desired outcome.

As a broad-brush example, I fully support making our nation's schools safer for children and employees. I fully oppose, however, efforts to do so by infringing on the second amendment (although I don't see background checks, etc as infringing). That is one limited example

Same goes for legislation against abortion. While I appreciate pro-life legislation and the intent to lower the abortion rates, I oppose this legislation because it would requiring infringing on (as SCOTUS has said) that person's privacy rights. To me, infringing on someone's right, regardless of how noble the ultimate objective is, is unacceptable. If not simply because allowing one right to be trampled on opens the revolving door of abuses, depending upon who is in power during that 4-8 years

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: CB328

Of course it is, which is why al the right wingers on this forum are always claiming that our country isn't a democracy, and why they like fascism and dictatorship so much.

Because it isn't.

Article 4 Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,

www.law.cornell.edu...

The different between democracy and republic is.

A GD piece of paper that flips the middle finger to mob rule aka 'democracy'.

No matter what the majority thinks.

The republic guaranteed INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

It's a democratic republic. Being a Republic isn't anything to do with the guarantee of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

It is democratic, I agree, but it isn’t a democracy, if that makes any sense.

a reply to: Harpua


Left and right would be better seen as 2 halves of a whole. Its clear that issues social, economic, whatever are just window dressing for ease of particular applications. I mean in reality vs the fiction.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: CB328

Of course it is, which is why al the right wingers on this forum are always claiming that our country isn't a democracy, and why they like fascism and dictatorship so much.

Because it isn't.

Article 4 Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,

www.law.cornell.edu...

The different between democracy and republic is.

A GD piece of paper that flips the middle finger to mob rule aka 'democracy'.

No matter what the majority thinks.

The republic guaranteed INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

It's a democratic republic. Being a Republic isn't anything to do with the guarantee of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

It is democratic, I agree, but it isn’t a democracy, if that makes any sense.

It's not a democracy in the classic sense. It is in any meaningful use of the word.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens called for repealing the 2nd amendment just the other day. Something like 1/3 of all Democrats want the same thing. It’s not a fantasy.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Paying off 95% of the worlds climate scientists?

Pretty sure they're just too scared of losing their grant money from the socialist elite to disagree with "the inconvenient truth"

:sarcasm:

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Its a fantasy that it will ever happen.

Same with abortion rights... people can scream all they want to but there is literally zero chance they pass legislation banning it outright. Even conservative politicians with half a brain know its a non starter, but you gotta keep the dream alive to get those votes.

originally posted by: Harpua
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Its a fantasy that it will ever happen.

Same with abortion rights... people can scream all they want to but there is literally zero chance they pass legislation banning it outright. Even conservative politicians with half a brain know its a non starter, but you gotta keep the dream alive to get those votes.

I hope so. But the desire to repeal is not a fantasy.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

No elected official in HISTORY on earther side has ever even suggested banning guns and confiscation...

Yes they have, but no I am not going to bother with linking videos because they have already been linked on ATS many times and you and others that think like you immediatly attack the source or say its just a state guy who cares.

So step outside your comfort zone in the search and you can find card carrying members of the DNC that have said confiscation is the goal.

For what its worth I think the RNC wants that end as well, they just have to be quieter about it.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

No elected official in HISTORY on earther side has ever even suggested banning guns and confiscation...

..... except for at least one >>>

Dianne Feinstein confiscate all guns
😳🆘

a reply to: JBurns

What the rightwing talking heads pretend are the 2 choices are entirely fabricated...


A) The left’s MOST EXTREME policy on guns is they want to ban the new sale of assault rifles types... leaving the millions in circulation perfectly legal..

The rights rebuttal?? “They are comming to get all your guns and repeal the second amendment!”.

Now it is 100% legit to argue the merits of banning the new sale of assault rifles. It IS NOT LOGICAL to shift the conversation to a total ban and confiscation.

2) “There is a liberal bias against conservatives, so everyone not a conservative is in a vast conspiracy against us,”

From the mainstream conservative POV if your not with us , your against us..

In there world there are not 1000s of various factions all competing for dominance, including them selves..

There is one deep state of leftists all working in concert to discredit conservatives and bring about some illuminati type agenda..


The truth is the smartest people on the planet think up the new ideas.. they break from the traditions of the past and find a new and hopefully better way.

They are the ones breaking the staus quo the conservatives want to maintain.


So that makes them the enemy, by definition..

Conclusion) I kinda lost where I was going, but in a nutshell.

ALL of the conservative media I see is based off logical fallacies... taking random individuals no one listens to and pretending there is a national movement to do X, Y or Z.

They fabricated a bad guy where none really exists and hope truely salt of the earth good people will be stupid enough to buy it.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

That’s because “they are comming to get your guns” is a rightwing rape fantasy.. No elected official in HISTORY on earther side has ever even suggested banning guns and confiscation...

That is outright lie.

There were over 100 attempts during the last administration.

They called for outright bans at the DNC convention last go round.

And the runt of the litter was given instant celebrity status along with hollywood shills at their little march.

They have came.

They have succeed for the most part in creating their little utopia.

Where the cops,and federal leo is better armed than the public they are suppose to serve.

The complete antithesis of what the second amendment was all about.

A government that FEARED the people.