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That was nearly twenty years ago. Life is good.
originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: skunkape23
I'm sorry hear that buddy. I hope things are better now.
originally posted by: putnam6
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: intrptr
Prisons are a private business now, prisoners are product. Profits are foremost, the more prisoners the more profit.
Ergo... the uS has the highest prison population on the planet. Many languish for menial crimes, some are incarcerated for lengthy periods without charge or set trial date, sometimes for years.
I would enthusiastically rebut that....of, course. We have had record prisoners for a long time. Long before privatized prisons.
Yes, they ARE products. Products of the public Union Sectors prison system that engenders rape murder and integration into ethnic groups for personal survival. That has been our lot for generations. Privatized prisons at least allows for safer facilities for prisoners and I have seen zero examples of prisoner abuse in the private system.
Sans the Public Sector Union agreements, wages, pensions and the like, the private system saves money.
It's not the private system that is incarcerating these people either. It's the legal system. I would say that the private system is an improvement, not that it's hard to improve what we've laughingly called our 'rehabilitation system'....
All fine points and would agree thats great,but the private prison systems also has lobbyists and funds the continued criminalization for the use of marijuana. SURELY YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT KIND OF INFLUENCE needs to be curtailed or eliminated all together.
originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: zosimov
I read The Lucifer Effect about 10 years ago, a fascinating story if ever there was.
We greatly misuse prison in my opinion. Keeping dogs and people in cages will generate hostile personalities. Those to whom evil is done do evil in return said W.H. Auden.
What would you suggest?
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: zosimov
I read The Lucifer Effect about 10 years ago, a fascinating story if ever there was.
We greatly misuse prison in my opinion. Keeping dogs and people in cages will generate hostile personalities. Those to whom evil is done do evil in return said W.H. Auden.
What would you suggest? Lazi-boys and beach front property?
originally posted by: skunkape23
Prison only breeds better criminals.
Rehabilitation my ass.
I've done three months in county for a charge that was dismissed.
ALL CAPS. F-YOU-C-K THE PRISON SYSTEM.
It took some time to reintegrate in society.
I was turned loose with no job, no home...no pot to piss in.
Not even a simple apology for their screw up.
originally posted by: skunkape23
What would you suggest?
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: zosimov
I read The Lucifer Effect about 10 years ago, a fascinating story if ever there was.
We greatly misuse prison in my opinion. Keeping dogs and people in cages will generate hostile personalities. Those to whom evil is done do evil in return said W.H. Auden.
What would you suggest? Lazi-boys and beach front property?
Throwing 20 men in a concrete cubicle and let them fight for food?
Then release them to the street?
Get your self righteous head out of your ass.
The system does more harm than good.
originally posted by: zosimov
This is clearly a highly charged issue, which many of us have been affected by in some way. I grieve for all of the innocent people affected- whether as a victim to crime or as a victim to injustice done in the name of the law.
This is a multi-faceted issue, and so far I've heard interesting ideas about what we can do to reduce crime (revival of the family unit, decriminalization of non-violent drug possession), but am very curious as to what the more "hard line" members think about the topic in the OP-- if we should treat all crime with strong punitive measures, how should we handle the cases of abuses of power or straight up illegal activity which is too often unpunished when perpetrated by the system, and does anyone care to take it to an even more personal level and wonder what it is in our psychology that leads people to abuse power or degrade and humiliate fellow man?
The prison experiment has less to do with prison and more to do with human nature- when given the opportunity to degrade another person, a surprising number of people will do it.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
It's not the private system that is incarcerating these people either. It's the legal system. I would say that the private system is an improvement, not that it's hard to improve what we've laughingly called our 'rehabilitation system'....
originally posted by: nwtrucker
It's not the private system that is incarcerating these people either. It's the legal system. I would say that the private system is an improvement, not that it's hard to improve what we've laughingly called our 'rehabilitation system'....
originally posted by: Edumakated
I do agree that we are too quick to jail some people, but I also think we have a lot people in prison simply because we have a lot of criminals. I think in order to explore this topic fairly, you have to look at it from all angles.
I think we have a lot of criminals because we have a severe breakdown of the family over the past 40 years, namely the social acceptance of single mothers a la baby mamas. We've literally mainstreamed a ghetto / redneck sub culture that breeds criminality and social dysfunction. The prison system is a symptom, not the actual problem imho.
In order to fix the prison system, you have to get to the root causes. Very few people are thrown in jail "just because". I'm a mid 40s black male. I've never been arrested and never jailed. My only interaction with the criminal justice system is arguing a traffic violation in court. If you don't do street sh*t, you don't go to jail. It really is that simple.
I grew up with a lot of people who are in prison now. Every single one of them did something that deserves jail time.