Is the World in Danger of War with Russia over Trump's appeasement and Putin’s acts?

originally posted by: ClovenSky
I love the way you titled your post. You automatically assume that everyone is as deluded as you are. You start the conversation from the view point that Russians/Putin are bad/evil and trump is pandering to this evil.

Then you expect us to debate this from that poisonous starting point?

and you are calling us stupid?

Oh well, at least you provide some free entertainment from time to time. It helps us to better understand the other non thinkers out there.

The fact of the matter is that I support Putin!

So what in the world are you talking about?

Did you read the op?

Do you know I have supported Putin on Syria and most issues?

If you read the op, which I doubt you did, you’d see I’m impartial on the question

Go back to sleep

Good Times on the ole ATS.



I say fire le missiles.

a reply to: Willtell

I'm sorry you took the question as an insult. I'm asking it sincerely. An actual honest answer would have been appreciated.

One can support Putin on an issue and be impartial on other issues like whether he or the west is responsible for the chemical assassination attempt, or a third party. Who knows who did that, I make no case one way or the other…

What I do know is that Putin and the West have nuclear bombs and both aren't above doing false flags

It’s an op about war and peace and whether Trump is actually appeasing Russia a topical subject.

Even Trump admitted his side does murders like Putin's side.

Its amazing fanatics get mad at me regarding the very same thing Trump admitted

a reply to: Willtell

My apologies, I have reread the OP 3-4 times now and if I squint my eyes just so, it does appear you could actually be supporting Russia in a weird sort of way.

But you end with the assumption that we are creating this Russian/Putin monster by trying to appease this beast and not confronting them.

That doesn't sound very pro Putin whatsoever.

How about some idea that Russia is being used in this game, as they have been for a while now. Bonus points if you can make it apolitical where the entire structure over the last 20+ years has been designed to find us an enemy at all costs. They have basically been backed in a corner with our presstitutes completely complicit in vilifying them into a no win situation.

originally posted by: Willtell
One can support Putin on an issue and be impartial on other issues like whether he or the west is responsible for the chemical assassination attempt, or a third party. Who knows who did that, I make no case one way or the other…

What I do know is that Putin and the West have nuclear bombs and both aren't above doing false flags

It’s an op about war and peace and whether Trump is actually appeasing Russia a topical subject.

Even Trump admitted his side does murders like Putin's side.

Its amazing fanatics get mad at me regarding the very same thing Trump admitted

When did Trump say he murdered someone?
I'll help you out. He didn't.
He said we've done the same thing. A government he was not yet a part of.

Putin's been killing people for 50 years.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Willtell

I'm sorry you took the question as an insult. I'm asking it sincerely. An actual honest answer would have been appreciated.

Look, I write an op with impartial intent, not pro Trump, or pro Putin just a question about war and peace, survival or destruction, and whether Trump is appeasing Putin and some trump fanatic who obviously didn’t even read the op calls me a moron.

What’s your question?

a reply to: Willtell

Only a week or so ago, Putin threatened the western world with a powerful nuclear device that, according to him, is unstoppable.

I would not expect him to say if they were stoppable. Or if they were 'marginally better'. There is likely a lot of pride in this next gen ICBM-project.

Also, it is worth remembering that most foreign policies are about domestic politics - especially so in macho-culture-Russia.

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: Willtell
One can support Putin on an issue and be impartial on other issues like whether he or the west is responsible for the chemical assassination attempt, or a third party. Who knows who did that, I make no case one way or the other…

What I do know is that Putin and the West have nuclear bombs and both aren't above doing false flags

It’s an op about war and peace and whether Trump is actually appeasing Russia a topical subject.

Even Trump admitted his side does murders like Putin's side.

Its amazing fanatics get mad at me regarding the very same thing Trump admitted

When did Trump say he murdered someone?
I'll help you out. He didn't.
He said we've done the same thing. A government he was not yet a part of.

Putin's been killing people for 50 years.

Pres. Trump Compares Russia & U.S. Saying 'U.S. Kills Too' | The View







Trump's own words about the US, not him killing. Even though he did say if he killed someone, I think on 5th avenue he said, his supporters would forgive him.

a reply to: Willtell

You have to be kidding me...
You watch the View?

a reply to: c2oden

Actually, I don’t watch the view. This is from Youtube



This place is really getting strange

Maybe the aliens will yet take over

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: c2oden

Actually, I don’t watch the view. This is from Youtube



This place is really getting strange

Maybe the aliens will yet take over

Your link is The View.
I clicked it and saw Whoopi.

Seriously maybe…


All the fanatics, who live and breathe on trump and can’t do nuance or complexity, open your minds maybe.

Everything to them is left right. Black and white.... Or trump or anti-trump.

Yet a few years ago they all hated Putin.


Now here’s nuance for people who could think a little bit.

Though I castigate Trump often

In the greater scheme of things, the way it's going now, it may be a good thing that Trump is President regarding being a buddy with Putin. Hillary might have responded too radically and then we would be worst off regarding a war.

I mean they say God works in mysterious ways!

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: burdman30ott6

You guys with your organized insults are obviously trying to bait me and also get the op taken down because you don’t like it.

I’m am going to put in a formal complaint to the operators of this site.

Its nothing wrong with a conversation about the dangerous situation of war and peace.


And you call yourself a moderator.

This isn't the UK, where you could have someone jailed for things you don't like..

I just have to put this out there where people that can still read and will sometimes understand the words.



Because as I am not a moderator I could not applaud, but this is still good enough stuff to at least emote about because it's all I am allowed.

a reply to: c2oden

A little while later Trump appears. Just skip the hosts talking. I hate the view also, believe it or not, though probably not the same reason you do.

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: Willtell
One can support Putin on an issue and be impartial on other issues like whether he or the west is responsible for the chemical assassination attempt, or a third party. Who knows who did that, I make no case one way or the other…

What I do know is that Putin and the West have nuclear bombs and both aren't above doing false flags

It’s an op about war and peace and whether Trump is actually appeasing Russia a topical subject.

Even Trump admitted his side does murders like Putin's side.

Its amazing fanatics get mad at me regarding the very same thing Trump admitted

When did Trump say he murdered someone?
I'll help you out. He didn't.
He said we've done the same thing. A government he was not yet a part of.

Putin's been killing people for 50 years.

Right.

When confronted on his love of Putin by O'Reilly, Billo noted that Putin is a killer. Trump didn't criticize Putin for killing, he then took the U.S. to task saying "You think our side is so innocent?"

With respect to certain types of killing, yes, our side is innocent. We don't kill journalists in this country, nor do we kill our political opponents. Putin does both.

** As an aside, I don't know where you come down on things but I do hope that the adults here show up and we don't descend into HIllary being a murderer or some equally ridiculous and unfounded charge.

I am no U.S. apologists, but - at least until a few short years ago - we enjoyed tremendous moral power throughout the world because we didn't torture (Thanks, "W"/Cheney), we don't jail political prisoners, we don't kill journalists. Granted, we are acting more and more like Putin's Russia by the day, but that's what one would expect when Putin controls the United States presidency.

Yes, we should be very worried about Putin's rise because ultimately the only thing Putin cares about is Putin's elevation of Russia to its "former greatness" (sound familiar?). He has been playing chicken with our planes over the Baltic Sea, knows that he can name our Sec. of State, National Security Advisor, and kill a "traitor" in the U.K. all without the U.S. doing anything, at least not while Trump still holds office.

Therefore, Putin is going to accrue as much power as he possibly can throughout the world, in the MIddle East in particular, and then when the U.S. has a real president again, either Republican or Democrat, we will have to deal with an infinitely more hostile and stronger Russia.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: c2oden

A little while later Trump appears. Just skip the hosts talking. I hate the view also, believe it or not, though probably not the same reason you do.

I'm curious about why I would hate the View.
I guess I don't hate it, because I don't watch it.
I basically hate all morning talk shows.
But what would be "not the same reason" that I don't like it?

Is the World in Danger of War with Russia over Trump's appeasement and Putin’s acts?

Some of Trumps own people think Russia is looking for a confrontation.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Willtell

Putin has been developing these weapons since 2004, blaming both the US for pulling out of the Anti-Ballistic Weapons treaty in 2002,and for building a global missle defence system. Nothing to do with Trump.

Putin speech

Exactly, your post needs to be bold 18 pt and underlined. I was going to post this but naturally wanted to read the thread first.

OP, this is not TRUMP! Get a grip!

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Willtell

I'm sorry you took the question as an insult. I'm asking it sincerely. An actual honest answer would have been appreciated.

Look, I write an op with impartial intent, not pro Trump, or pro Putin just a question about war and peace, survival or destruction, and whether Trump is appeasing Putin and some trump fanatic who obviously didn’t even read the op calls me a moron.

What’s your question?

Weak, very weak!